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Angela M. put Germany ahead of politics and an open border.
Perhaps that may happen next year.
Either way, it will be the lesser of two evils, as all efforts may keep drugs out of the White House
and drugs partially away from a closed a fenced border.

Like the Immigration And Nationalty Act of 1918, as amended... intended.

With Lyndon Johnson, the USA was dealt a crippling
wound, from SSAN to The Not so Great Society and ruination of black business to Vietnam.
No- the Democratic Socialist Party is not your friend. Saul Alinsky and the equal sharing of misery.

Useful idiots indeed. NOT with my vote you don't, as I remain a conservative Independent.
We need more combat veterans who think like T. Paine, Jefferson, Patick Henry and Daniel Webster.
Screw the Sunshine Patriots!


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Well, Jefferson and Paine were not military involved. Thomas Paine was a new immigrant to the colonies arriving just one year bf the War broke out. Paine arrived after the First Continental Congress had met.

This post is very disjointed.

How is Merkel contrasted to Johnson? What legislation for Merkel push through that is equal to Johnson who finally got the Voting Rights Act through Congress?
 
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That stupid bitch what destroyed Germany!


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Angela M. put Germany ahead of politics and an open border.
Perhaps that may happen next year.
Either way, it will be the lesser of two evils, as all efforts may keep drugs out of the White House
and drugs partially away from a closed a fenced border.

Like the Immigration And Nationalty Act of 1918, as amended... intended.

With Lyndon Johnson, the USA was dealt a crippling
wound, from SSAN to The Not so Great Society and ruination of black business to Vietnam.
No- the Democratic Socialist Party is not your friend. Saul Alinsky and the equal sharing of misery.

Useful idiots indeed. NOT with my vote you don't, as I remain a conservative Independent.
We need more combat veterans who think like T. Paine, Jefferson, Patick Henry and Daniel Webster.
Screw the Sunshine Patriots!


I don't get what you are trying to say...

Merkel was very pro open borders for Germany. She seems to be the opposite of what you are advocating (if I read you right) for the US.

She and the French left were responsible in large part for the European open borders policies and a large part of what was able to be alleged re the EU in getting the British to exit the EU.

As LHeym pointed out, Jefferson and Payne didn't have any military role in the revolution.

If you mean think like them politically, I would like that but there are not very many who are either that smart or that principled, and most don't run for elective office. (Actually, to my knowledge, none.)

I may agree with you that LBJ was a lousy president, but SS was placed in by FDR, and was a Ponzi scheme even then. LBJ had little to do with that.

The modern welfare state was assisted by LBJ, but it wasn't his baby alone.

I agree the Democrat party is not my friend. Neither is the GOP. They are power cartels that forge various special interests together so that they all can get some of what they want. This was Washington's big objection to political parties.

If you vote for either party, you are assisting things you don't necessarily support.
 
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If you sting enough current "Americans" ,
possibly they will wake up.

Thinking like Paine and Jefferson helped Franklin bring the French in on our side.

Some of you folks need serious history lessons: LB Johnson took the SS Separate fund and pushed it into the general treasury fund. If left alone, it would never have needed to be "bailed out".
Those in Texas in the early 1960s know how truly crooked LBJ was in order to get elected to a Texas Senate seat. He is probably the most corrupt
politician at the national level in my lifetime.
LBJ was more than lousy...JFK was killed on his watch in Texas. A little dot connecting will help you.

Merkel did change Germany's open border under pressure-but she changed her thinking...after women had been raped by foreign migrants. Our dolts keep hurting the U.S. under their their watch... and they don't change their master plan to turn illegals to voting rapists and murderers.

I will continue to be a conservative Independent.
Meanwhile, you had better decide on the lesser of which two evils as to the critical U.S. borders.


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In re SS funds- what part of Ponzi scheme don't you get?

When FDR put the program into place there were elderly and crippled individuals who were being paid from SS and SSDI who never paid in. There have been increases in benefits over the years. Most people get more money out of SS than they actually paid in, and if SS funds went into a "lockbox" they cannot be used for anything, so there is not "return of investment" that is due to be credited to your funds.

SS has always been a ponzi scheme where the current payees are being made good by their children's contributions.

It works (after a fashion) as long as there are more contributors than receivers.

The French came in because King Louis felt he could poke a finger in the eye of the English King. Franklin convinced him that we could win with a little assistance. Louis was even more of a despot than George. He didn't give a left sided F%^&# about the colonist's going on about liberty and the rights of man.

Geopolitics existed back then.

JFK was killed under JFK's watch... actually his brother Bobby who ended up getting shot under LBJ's watch was running the US DOJ/intelligence at the time JFK was killed. If you have some evidence that LBJ actually conspired to kill JFK, I (and the rest of the US) would love to see it... not just some conspiracy theory that uses the fact that LBJ gained an office that he very likely would never win except for the assassination.

As to Merkel, she never changed their laws. The EU undoubtedly has its own bureaucratic state that buys into the free immigration and the "need" for more workers, especially given that western europe is every bit as problematic with its birth rate as is the US and Japan... nevertheless, if you are trying to cheer Merkel, she hasn't done squat since her "realization" regarding unfettered immigration... Just like our dolts who break out campaign promises to do something but then find ways to not let it get done.

I consider myself conservative.

I have issues with how the GOP doesn't follow through on its word to the voters...

But there are a lot more issues involved in the presidency than just the border- Biden sucks at pretty much all, as does Trump. Which is worse is between you and your judgement.

Personally, I am inclined to just vote Bill The Cat or "present" at the moment for president.
 
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In re SS funds- what part of Ponzi scheme don't you get?



I guess you don't get that it's not a Ponzi scheme because it's backed by the faith of the United States.

Also, no one in charge is profiting from the "scheme."
 
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I consider myself a conservative. The issue of SS being an entitlement that US Citizens have a claim to, as a good policy, is long settled.

The attacks and negative commutations toward SS simply play into Dems narratives about why “conservatives” should not be trusted with political power.

450 is advocating hanging US Citizens? Why? because you do not like they way they voted Jefferson founded an entire politic movement against such behavior. I am not referring to the Revolution with that statement.

When the Bill of Rights were ratified they weee intended only as limitations upon Federal Government and not state action. Things change. It does not matter that as a society we have moved passed the SS was only for people who outlived the standard life expectancy. We live longer, that fact underscores the need to for SS to have been changed to address the matter.

We are not stagnant. This things are tested through politics. That in and off itself is not a bad thing. The matter is resolved.

The argument is not won with, “ Well, historically this was done like this.”

If that was the case, then one should be arguing for every incorporated right to be returned to the states. Justice Thomas does just that but for firearms which makes no since.
 
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And Bernie Madoff was backed by his whole company and the faith thereof.

Perhaps a pyramid scheme is a better term, since it’s not illegal when the government does it.

But the point is that social security was sold as a savings program, which it is not. Your money in SS is not your money.

You pay in money with the expectation that you will be paid back when you retire. You are not owed anything in specific.

It was intended to be welfare for the elderly but given a different name because too many people in the ‘30’s would have rather starved to death than take a handout.

It’s an inter generational wealth transfer.

In general, if you put the same amount of money (including employer contributions) into a conservative retirement fund, it would be worth more than you get if you avoid huge government driven inflationary cycles. That is assuming you work continuously at something higher paying than minimum wage.

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In re SS funds- what part of Ponzi scheme don't you get?



I guess you don't get that it's not a Ponzi scheme because it's backed by the faith of the United States.

Also, no one in charge is profiting from the "scheme."
 
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The difference is Bernie Madoff is not Federal Law.

You may not like SS, but this the law of the land and long established, to use Justice Alito’s words about when precedent applies, is a law people have come to expect and rely on.

To call SS a Ponzi Scheme undermines its legitimacy. SS is a Federal Las and attempts to destroy it like Sen Scott proposed just plays into getting more people to vote Dem.

A Ponzi Scheme by definition defrauds. It is not legitimate.

SS is legitimate and law.
 
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Simple, would it be a Ponzi scheme if it was not a law and done by the government?

It’s not illegal because it’s been specifically written into law.

But to claim “it’s my money” or “I deserve what I paid in” is disingenuous.
 
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No one is being defrauded.

SS is the law and its pay out structure has been the law for a long time.

All you are doing w phrases like Ponzi Scheme is making more Dem voters.
 
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