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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Why do some of us look back on "the good old days" fondly?
This.

This OP has a ton of neato, lore, a great story, whatever. Whether we watch the Western movies, read Luis LAmour or just think horses are neat, these stories and pictures feed that.

I find the young adult Americans that express a desire to stay near Mom and dad, "there's no place like home", a need for safe spaces and a comfort zone to be disappointing. I suspect most of our ancestors would agree with me as they were travelers and immigrants also. On my mother's side I am 4th generation straight outta Finland and Norway.

I really ain't all that interested in how ethnically diverse the historical frontier was, my ancestors, the farmers, ranchers, plumbers and soldiers I have pictures of were white, Honkey. Jeff I'm sure we're all really happy your mantle is full of pictures of black slave cowboys.

The black slave cowboys were the ones who kept the ranches going while all the heroes were off to the civil war to keep them slaves.

There weren’t really ranches as we know them now in that time period. The King Ranch was one of the first. The cattle that were driven out were from Deep South Texas and there were no slave cowboys down there…definitely vaqueros though. And, most of the cattle were feral cattle. As the trail drives began picking up after the Civil War. Freedmen from East Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi certainly did migrate towards this line of work and there certainly was a small percentage of drovers and cowboys at the time who were black.

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By the 1830s, settlers had blended eastern ranching techniques with those of their Spanish-Mexican predecessors. Cattle and beef were abundant in the Colony. Over the next decade, the upheaval of the Texas Revolution and Mexican-American War left large quantities of land and cattle abandoned by Mexican ranchers. American settlers began to spread into arid northern and western Texas, and the longhorn went with them. Through the ‘40s and ‘50s, the Texas ranching economy took off.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Accuracy, like the 2020 maple season was done by the time border closed with Canada, it had to be 2021?
I double checked my typing this time jeffi.

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Originally posted by theback40:
What the hell are you talking about?
I already told you, Biden opened the border to let syrup come through. If left closed, US prices would have climbed, and we would have had a better year.
I have no idea what your post is trying to prove, other than you dont pay attention??

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Originally posted by theback40:
Geezus jeffi. Canadians would not benefit.
They control the price per pound ( how it's bought and sold comercialy) For once, fair market value for US made syrup would be set by us, the US producers. For the time the border was shut, it would have been our market to set prices for the US market. Not sure how I can explain it any more simple?
Yes, trucks were restricted unless delivering essential cargo. Even then, they made say, fuel tankers pump into other empty fuel trucks at the border. Nurses were allowed to cross, but they stayed at the hospitals for shift stretches, going home on days off. Then tested when they came back for the next 2 wk shift.

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Details of the final deal have yet to be released in writing but both leaders have stressed that cross-border trade will not be blocked.
Supply chains must be preserved so trucking would not be affected, Mr Trudeau said.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Canadian Gov runs all the syrup in Canada. They have years worth stockpiled. It is on the news locally, as it impacts locally.
They dumped syrup in anticipation of closing of the border at the end of March 2020.
That is the whole point Jeffi, govenrment interference in the marketplace. Canada's and the US.
A closure would have allowed the US to set it's market price for a non-essential item like syrup. And as syrup is not subsidized in the US, we would have made a decent profit.
I'm not sure if you dont get it, or are purposely being dumb about this.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
It All Began with Beer and the Wheel

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. Beer required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor the aluminum can were invented yet, so while the early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

The wheel was invented to get man to the beer and vice versa. These two inventions were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals
2. Conservatives

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to Bar-B-Que at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative Movement.

Other men who were less skilled at hunting (called “vegetarians”, an early word meaning “bad hunters”) learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly Bar-B-Que's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hairdressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal Movement.

Some of these liberal men evolved into women. Others became known as girlie-men. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and the beer that the conservatives provided.

Over the years, conservatives came to be symbolized as the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. The liberals came to be symbolized by the jackass they are, for obvious reasons. Modern liberals like 'lite' beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: many liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men.

Most college professors, social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, film makers in Hollywood, group therapists, and community organizers are liberals. Liberals meddled in our national pastime and invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher work extra hard as to go to bat.

Conservatives drink real beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are members of the military, big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, airline pilots, and generally anyone who works productively at whatever they set out to do. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who actually want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America; they crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a big business of trying to get more for nothing.

Herewith ends today's lesson in world history.


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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Mmmm mead yes (drooling)

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Mmmm mead yes (drooling)

Almost certainly the oldest alcoholic drink, just honey and water and yeast and time, and the yeast would supply itself if you left the lid off the honey container.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Mmmm mead yes (drooling)

Almost certainly the oldest alcoholic drink, just honey and water and yeast and time, and the yeast would supply itself if you left the lid off the honey container.

My brother is a hobbyist bee keeper.

I used to brew my own beer and ferment homemade cider in my younger days.

But alas, I had quit drinking all together by the time he got into the hobby or you can bet I would have taken a spin at fermenting a batch of mead for sure.

I bet a homemade mead is outta this world.


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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
My brother has 2 different types of persimmons in their California garden.

He and his kids hand juiced 5 gallons worth and made hard cider with it.

It was unbelievably good. As you might expect from cider not real high in alcohol content, but a special treat nonetheless.

Definitely not something you would find on the shelves of the average liquor store.


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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
He also raises American Akaushi, and Angus beef.


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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
He also raises American Akaushi, and Angus beef.


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I see big timber clearcuts here in Tennessee and automatically wonder how many pounds of eland they would produce if you had fencing they couldn't jump over...

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
He also raises American Akaushi, and Angus beef.


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I see big timber clearcuts here in Tennessee and automatically wonder how many pounds of eland they would produce if you had fencing they couldn't jump over...

Hahahaha! I'm all in. How long till you can get the logging company outta there?


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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
He also raises American Akaushi, and Angus beef.


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I see big timber clearcuts here in Tennessee and automatically wonder how many pounds of eland they would produce if you had fencing they couldn't jump over...

Hahahaha! I'm all in. How long till you can get the logging company outta there?


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That's the thing, they get these 600-800 acre tracts for less than the timber's worth, cut everything over about 6" and knock the rest down getting the logs out and then just let it sit and grow brush, perfect browse for a hungry eland a couple years after they cut it. It's ridge and valley so fencing would be a bit of a bear but a ditch just inside the fence line would limit how tall it had to be, just don't give them a good launching pad...

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Why do some of us look back on "the good old days" fondly?
This.

This OP has a ton of neato, lore, a great story, whatever. Whether we watch the Western movies, read Luis LAmour or just think horses are neat, these stories and pictures feed that.

I find the young adult Americans that express a desire to stay near Mom and dad, "there's no place like home", a need for safe spaces and a comfort zone to be disappointing. I suspect most of our ancestors would agree with me as they were travelers and immigrants also. On my mother's side I am 4th generation straight outta Finland and Norway.

I really ain't all that interested in how ethnically diverse the historical frontier was, my ancestors, the farmers, ranchers, plumbers and soldiers I have pictures of were white, Honkey. Jeff I'm sure we're all really happy your mantle is full of pictures of black slave cowboys.

The black slave cowboys were the ones who kept the ranches going while all the heroes were off to the civil war to keep them slaves.

There weren’t really ranches as we know them now in that time period. The King Ranch was one of the first. The cattle that were driven out were from Deep South Texas and there were no slave cowboys down there…definitely vaqueros though. And, most of the cattle were feral cattle. As the trail drives began picking up after the Civil War. Freedmen from East Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi certainly did migrate towards this line of work and there certainly was a small percentage of drovers and cowboys at the time who were black.

I'm sure the Bullock Museum would appreciate you contacting them to correct their misconception, museums are usually big on historical accuracy:

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By the 1830s, settlers had blended eastern ranching techniques with those of their Spanish-Mexican predecessors. Cattle and beef were abundant in the Colony. Over the next decade, the upheaval of the Texas Revolution and Mexican-American War left large quantities of land and cattle abandoned by Mexican ranchers. American settlers began to spread into arid northern and western Texas, and the longhorn went with them. Through the ‘40s and ‘50s, the Texas ranching economy took off.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Lane,

My grandfather grew up in Clarendon, near the Goodnight Ranch. From what I heard, Goodnight had an annual BBQ inviting the Indians (I won't be politically correct) and the locals. Sounds like "McClintock", the John Wayne movie.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Why do some of us look back on "the good old days" fondly?
This.

This OP has a ton of neato, lore, a great story, whatever. Whether we watch the Western movies, read Luis LAmour or just think horses are neat, these stories and pictures feed that.

I find the young adult Americans that express a desire to stay near Mom and dad, "there's no place like home", a need for safe spaces and a comfort zone to be disappointing. I suspect most of our ancestors would agree with me as they were travelers and immigrants also. On my mother's side I am 4th generation straight outta Finland and Norway.

I really ain't all that interested in how ethnically diverse the historical frontier was, my ancestors, the farmers, ranchers, plumbers and soldiers I have pictures of were white, Honkey. Jeff I'm sure we're all really happy your mantle is full of pictures of black slave cowboys.

The black slave cowboys were the ones who kept the ranches going while all the heroes were off to the civil war to keep them slaves.

There weren’t really ranches as we know them now in that time period. The King Ranch was one of the first. The cattle that were driven out were from Deep South Texas and there were no slave cowboys down there…definitely vaqueros though. And, most of the cattle were feral cattle. As the trail drives began picking up after the Civil War. Freedmen from East Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi certainly did migrate towards this line of work and there certainly was a small percentage of drovers and cowboys at the time who were black.

I'm sure the Bullock Museum would appreciate you contacting them to correct their misconception, museums are usually big on historical accuracy:

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By the 1830s, settlers had blended eastern ranching techniques with those of their Spanish-Mexican predecessors. Cattle and beef were abundant in the Colony. Over the next decade, the upheaval of the Texas Revolution and Mexican-American War left large quantities of land and cattle abandoned by Mexican ranchers. American settlers began to spread into arid northern and western Texas, and the longhorn went with them. Through the ‘40s and ‘50s, the Texas ranching economy took off.

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Please tell me again what part I got incorrect.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Mmmm mead yes (drooling)

Almost certainly the oldest alcoholic drink, just honey and water and yeast and time, and the yeast would supply itself if you left the lid off the honey container.

My brother is a hobbyist bee keeper.

I used to brew my own beer and ferment homemade cider in my younger days.

But alas, I had quit drinking all together by the time he got into the hobby or you can bet I would have taken a spin at fermenting a batch of mead for sure.

I bet a homemade mead is outta this world.


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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Hey Doc, isn't Olney where the late Randall Weems (Crazy horse Consulting) lived?

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
It's been a couple years but the last time I was at the Oakland Zoo they had an exhibit with Eland and Giraffe intermingled.

I looked at the moat then looked at my brother and he was looking at the moat and I swear we both said "it's not big enough", at the same time, lol...

I had Eland kabobs on the brai and Eland fillets fried in an old plow disc over redwood and Camel thorn coals on my first trip to Africa.

Washed down with a cold Black Label.

Oh yeah boy!

Eland is an easy sell for me.


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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
It's been a couple years but the last time I was at the Oakland Zoo they had an exhibit with Eland and Giraffe intermingled.

I looked at the moat then looked at my brother and he was looking at the moat and I swear we both said "it's not big enough", at the same time, lol...

I had Eland kabobs on the brai and Eland fillets fried in an old plow disc over redwood and Camel thorn coals on my first trip to Africa.

Washed down with a cold Black Label.

Oh yeah boy!

Eland is an easy sell for me.


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I like Eland for sure and have eaten my weight in them over years having shot a few. But liken them to elk. I really like elk.

Elk should do well in your clear cuts Jeff.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Well doggonit that's a shame you didn't get to meet.

He loved history too as I recall.

He would have liked your thread.

Thought I recognized the name of the town.

Well, I'm outta here, archery deer season is open, the rut is cranked up, and the barometer is dropping.

You Folks have a Merry Christmas!

See Y'all next year.


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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Why do some of us look back on "the good old days" fondly?
This.

This OP has a ton of neato, lore, a great story, whatever. Whether we watch the Western movies, read Luis LAmour or just think horses are neat, these stories and pictures feed that.

I find the young adult Americans that express a desire to stay near Mom and dad, "there's no place like home", a need for safe spaces and a comfort zone to be disappointing. I suspect most of our ancestors would agree with me as they were travelers and immigrants also. On my mother's side I am 4th generation straight outta Finland and Norway.

I really ain't all that interested in how ethnically diverse the historical frontier was, my ancestors, the farmers, ranchers, plumbers and soldiers I have pictures of were white, Honkey. Jeff I'm sure we're all really happy your mantle is full of pictures of black slave cowboys.

The black slave cowboys were the ones who kept the ranches going while all the heroes were off to the civil war to keep them slaves.

There weren’t really ranches as we know them now in that time period. The King Ranch was one of the first. The cattle that were driven out were from Deep South Texas and there were no slave cowboys down there…definitely vaqueros though. And, most of the cattle were feral cattle. As the trail drives began picking up after the Civil War. Freedmen from East Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi certainly did migrate towards this line of work and there certainly was a small percentage of drovers and cowboys at the time who were black.

I'm sure the Bullock Museum would appreciate you contacting them to correct their misconception, museums are usually big on historical accuracy:

quote:

By the 1830s, settlers had blended eastern ranching techniques with those of their Spanish-Mexican predecessors. Cattle and beef were abundant in the Colony. Over the next decade, the upheaval of the Texas Revolution and Mexican-American War left large quantities of land and cattle abandoned by Mexican ranchers. American settlers began to spread into arid northern and western Texas, and the longhorn went with them. Through the ‘40s and ‘50s, the Texas ranching economy took off.

Link

Please tell me again what part I got incorrect.

They are under the mistaken impression that cattle ranching was ongoing prior to the Late Unpleasantness, and since King didn't buy his first parcel until 1853 they are obviously mistaken about the doin's in West and North Texas in the 1840s and 50s, which they wrongly characterize as "the Texas ranching economy" taking off.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Why do some of us look back on "the good old days" fondly?
This.

This OP has a ton of neato, lore, a great story, whatever. Whether we watch the Western movies, read Luis LAmour or just think horses are neat, these stories and pictures feed that.

I find the young adult Americans that express a desire to stay near Mom and dad, "there's no place like home", a need for safe spaces and a comfort zone to be disappointing. I suspect most of our ancestors would agree with me as they were travelers and immigrants also. On my mother's side I am 4th generation straight outta Finland and Norway.

I really ain't all that interested in how ethnically diverse the historical frontier was, my ancestors, the farmers, ranchers, plumbers and soldiers I have pictures of were white, Honkey. Jeff I'm sure we're all really happy your mantle is full of pictures of black slave cowboys.

The black slave cowboys were the ones who kept the ranches going while all the heroes were off to the civil war to keep them slaves.

There weren’t really ranches as we know them now in that time period. The King Ranch was one of the first. The cattle that were driven out were from Deep South Texas and there were no slave cowboys down there…definitely vaqueros though. And, most of the cattle were feral cattle. As the trail drives began picking up after the Civil War. Freedmen from East Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi certainly did migrate towards this line of work and there certainly was a small percentage of drovers and cowboys at the time who were black.

I'm sure the Bullock Museum would appreciate you contacting them to correct their misconception, museums are usually big on historical accuracy:

quote:

By the 1830s, settlers had blended eastern ranching techniques with those of their Spanish-Mexican predecessors. Cattle and beef were abundant in the Colony. Over the next decade, the upheaval of the Texas Revolution and Mexican-American War left large quantities of land and cattle abandoned by Mexican ranchers. American settlers began to spread into arid northern and western Texas, and the longhorn went with them. Through the ‘40s and ‘50s, the Texas ranching economy took off.

Link

Please tell me again what part I got incorrect.

They are under the mistaken impression that cattle ranching was ongoing prior to the Late Unpleasantness, and since King didn't buy his first parcel until 1853 they are obviously mistaken about the doin's in West and North Texas in the 1840s and 50s, which they wrongly characterize as "the Texas ranching economy" taking off.

You missed the part where I said there were no ranches as we know today in that time frame Capt King was one of the first.

As to ranches in West and North Texas in that time frame…thers damn few as the Comanche ruled that country. There may have been those that tried it but it never took off until McKenzie finally conquered Quanah Parker. Jacksboro with Ft. Richardson was about as far in the northwest part as it was safe to ranch until then.

The cattle that went to drives up trails mainly came from south Texas…south of a line from Houston to Del Rio through San Antonio.