I'm starting to think he might actually have to do a little time...pending appeals, of course.

30 to 60 days.

https://youtu.be/bmFxWZCVuME?si=eBXjS26zvDl6hTBn

Trump again inspires his supporters to violence; time to imprison trump to protect the rule of law

In the aftermath of Trump's criminal conviction, his supporters are endangering the judge, the prosecutor and the jurors. As NBC News reported, " Trump supporters try to doxx jurors and post violent threats after his conviction."

https://youtu.be/vRq3uqzCy-w?si=twDLOIQ0wp1vb3Wj

Trump could do ‘tremendous damage’ to his sentence when speaking before sentencing

The Convicted Felon is talking himself into jail.

Whatever it is it won't be enough. 30 days in the slammer as long as it's the same 30 days us commoners would get. No mollycoddlin and NO McDONALDS!!!

Lock him up with cellmate Bubba, unsupervised.

OTOH, I pity Bubba.

He'll get a much lighter sentence than any of us would given the same facts, the same Contempt of Court, the same lack of remorse and contrition and the same likelihood of re-offending.

Republican National Convention/Date
Mon, Jul 15, 2024 – Thu, Jul 18, 2024

https://www.politico.com/live-.../sentencing-00160797

Trump to be sentenced four days before Republican convention
It will take place on July 11.

Kyle Cheney
KYLE CHENEY

05/30/2024, 5:20PM ET

Former President Donald Trump is set to be sentenced on July 11 after being found guilty in the Manhattan hush money case.

That’s just four days before the Republican National Convention is set to begin in Milwaukee, where he will officially become the GOP’s presidential nominee.

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I think there would be nothing more fitting and ironic than for Trump to accept the nomination while serving time.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Lock him up with cellmate Bubba, unsupervised.

OTOH, I pity Bubba.

Bubba, what YUGE hands you have!

Come on guys. You all know hes going to Make Jail great again.
MAJA

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
Whatever it is it won't be enough. 30 days in the slammer as long as it's the same 30 days us commoners would get. No mollycoddlin and NO McDONALDS!!!

Everything I've read indicates that most folks convicted of the same type of crime in NY do not go to jail when they are first time offenders, etc.

The Convicted Felon's mistake is he keeps antagonizing the judge with personal attacks. Height of stupidity. Let's personally attack and insult the man who is going to decide whether he goes to jail or not.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
Whatever it is it won't be enough. 30 days in the slammer as long as it's the same 30 days us commoners would get. No mollycoddlin and NO McDONALDS!!!

Everything I've read indicates that most folks convicted of the same type of crime in NY do not go to jail when they are first time offenders, etc.

The Convicted Felon's mistake is he keeps antagonizing the judge with personal attacks. Height of stupidity. Let's personally attack and insult the man who is going to decide whether he goes to jail or not.

Most folks convicted of the same crime probably aren't nailed for 34 counts...

Cohen had no priors.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
He'll get a much lighter sentence than any of us would given the same facts, the same Contempt of Court, the same lack of remorse and contrition and the same likelihood of re-offending.

+1, lawfare my ass, he has been coddled the entire case.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Cohen had no priors.

Federal convictions involving federal sentencing guidelines would be the difference, I suspect.

https://youtu.be/RFbJ446qAV8?si=Y427T3a_6Icp419Z

'Never seen a defendant beg for it more': James Comey on whether Trump will go to jail

I am going to say 12 months Home Incarceration to cover all.

Does anyone here practice criminal law in NY? I have thirty years criminal practice in Wisconsin and in my experience most jail (ie, not prison) sentences are stayed pending the results of the appellate process. Prison sentences (12 months incarceration or more) are rarely stayed pending appeal.
Anyone know what the usual practice is in NY?

https://youtu.be/EG3cUWK_s_M?si=A_JIHZ2gTnYcDllM

Ticket to prison': Retired NYC judge weighs in on Trump sentencing

NYPD veteran and retired NYC judge George Grasso joins Chris Hayes to discuss what awaits Trump at his sentencing hearing on July 11.

In KY, contempt time and your sentence cannot run concurrently.

Thus, 12 months home incarceration plus 30 days home incarceration per contempt to state max.

Trump go to your room.

Appeals engaged do to collateral consequences.

So, he'll be confined to the Oval office if he wins in November?

Maybe.

Out permitted travel for “work.”

Sentence not imposed pending appeal

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
So, he'll be confined to the Oval office if he wins in November?

That's sick. I see your ironic/sarcastic point.

No - if he wins in November he will run amuck. Previous gag orders, ankle bracelets, restrictions, etc. will be null. He will pardon hundreds of criminals.

He will grift golden sneakers with ankle bracelets built in, from the office of POTUS in addition to running a rampant criminal org directly from the WH. Mob bosses and dictators and fascist wannabees around the world will be jealous and see the prototype. Al Capone will roll over in his grave. Putin will rejoice. The rule of law will be unrecognizable, from the Founder's perspective. It will be weaponized, farcely reciprocated, justified as the means to ends, a perverted tool, not only as a means, but for revenge and retribution for ideologically contorted/perceived political persecutions.

If that's not an affront to the Founders' Dream, I don't know what is.

The thing is that you don't have to believe me. All you need to do is listen and take seriously the very words and deeds of Trumpsters.

"When Someone Shows You Who They Are, Believe Them the First Time". Maya Angelou

This will clearly be overturned on appeal and there is no justification for jailing him pending appeal, although I'm sure the DNC will advocate for that. Once he's elected, I assume he can pardon himself and stop the bleed on futile legal fees. but, we've never seen that.

Sure, tell how under NY law this state conviction will be overturned?

What were of law shall mandate invalidation of the verdict.

Tell us?

You can’t be a lawyer. A president cannot pardon for a state conviction. He can only pardon for federal convictions. It is an open question if Trump can pardon himself as president for a federal crime. Nixon did not think he could, he let Ford do it.

Only a governor can pardon for a state crime/state conviction.

The DNC has nothing to do with it.

You have taken a foolish position as a trained lawyer to suggest Trump as president could pardon himself for a state conviction. That position is completely, full F plus fail.

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This will clearly be overturned on appeal and there is no justification for jailing him pending appeal

It's not clear that his conviction will be overturned on appeal.

The judge and everyone else, especially Trump's defense, planned for appeal should the jury convict. The judge did a good job to avoid flaws that would lead to overturning later.

And, there's plenty of justification for jail as part of the sentence. The main thing is that he won't quit attacking the system, judiciary, rule of law, specific people, threatening extrajudicial acts if elected, retribution, revenge, etc. and lying, he has no remorse, and is a repeat offender for sure.

He should get at least a year on probation, ankle bracelet and all, contingent on good behavior, as defined by the judge. A little taste of what will happen if probation is revoked - maybe two weeks in jail starting 7/11. I think it would be ultra fitting for him to accept nomination by RNC while incarcerated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a66727761a7cdb&ei=10

Donald Trump Wants Five Lawmakers Indicted
Story by Kaitlin Lewis • 9h • 3 min read

Dream on, Magine. A lovely thought there, but just a fantasy.

The trial judge will stay the sentence pending appeal, and if he doesn't, the appellate court will; and if they don't, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court will do it to help their boy.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Maybe.

Out permitted travel for “work.”

Sentence not imposed pending appeal

But not if it involved a commute to UK or Canada, or anyplace else that bans felons. Remote work only...

Where's Gerald Ford when you really need him?

Oh , right...caucusing with McCain.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...e18fdd7abac54&ei=123

‘Unrepentant’: Trump may face prison time after guilty verdict, legal experts say

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Dream on, Magine. A lovely thought there, but just a fantasy.

The trial judge will stay the sentence pending appeal, and if he doesn't, the appellate court will; and if they don't, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court will do it to help their boy.

Won't get to the BIG SCOTUS as it's a NY state issue.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...e18fdd7abac54&ei=123



‘Unrepentant’: Trump may face prison time after guilty verdict, legal experts say

Most of those experts end up getting it wrong.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Dream on, Magine. A lovely thought there, but just a fantasy.

The trial judge will stay the sentence pending appeal, and if he doesn't, the appellate court will; and if they don't, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court will do it to help their boy.

Won't get to the BIG SCOTUS as it's a NY state issue.

There is a possibility. The S.Ct., could hear an appeal that the NY Statute violated the 6th Amendment incorporated against the states through the EC of the 14th Amendment.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Dream on, Magine. A lovely thought there, but just a fantasy.

The trial judge will stay the sentence pending appeal, and if he doesn't, the appellate court will; and if they don't, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court will do it to help their boy.

Won't get to the BIG SCOTUS as it's a NY state issue.

If Trump's lawyers can reasonably fashion their appeal as a due process issue, it's going to SCOTUS.

Here's the other possible federal route.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.