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John Wayne’s views on President Nixon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | ||
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Even Duke Wayne can be wrong. We also do not line at what point in Watergate this interview was given, or the interview is not contextualized in what point in time we are to Watergate. President Nixon won reelection after Watergate broke. It was not until after reelection the nation learned of his administration’s involvement and coverup with his knowledge. No, President Nixon took the deal resignation and pardon. You should read the letter Duke Wayne sent President Carter. That letter does not use your rhetoric. Also, nothing in Duke Wayne’s public persons would support a man who called for the suspension of the Constitution, gave his VO an unconstitutional directive, and plotted to overthrow the duly elected government, among other things. | |||
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We have an ex President with 90 odd indictments from stealing classified documents to overthrowing the constitution and some here want to discuss Nixon? Talk about diversion from reality...... | |||
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History applies and John Wayne, one the finest Americans to ever live, wasn’t wrong. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Nothing the Duke could have ever said or done can justify supporting Trump as the GOP nominee. Sad watching you try really. | |||
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Sad!? What really saddens me is watching good solid Americans like yourself who just can’t come to see the forest for the trees. Chess and checkers. John Wayne was an avid cbess player…BTW.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Republicans only respect Hollywood when it suits their thinking. Wayne's opinion is no more important than anybody else's. | |||
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Nixon was a fucking crook. And, John Wayne (real name Marion Morrison) was a draft dodger. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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and don't forget white supremacist, if we take his Playboy interview at face value. Not to mention the fact the way Marion treated women would make Donald Trump blush... Hell, the dude would rather spend time on his sailboat and the beach than around a horse or a gun. Now, Tom Mix and Audie Murphy, those were great Americans. The "Dude" John Wayne, well, not so much. . | |||
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Was John Wayne a draft dodger during ww 2. by sean spoonts | |||
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He made movies where he was a big tough war hero. You know,....pretend stuff. | |||
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Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Gene Autry, Robert Montgomery. All served and they could have sought deferments too. He chose money and fame over serving his country. Jimmy Stewart even fought a deferment notice before going on to join up and flying a shitload of combat missions over the ETO. He was a draft dodger. Just admit it. You'll feel better. Good to see you back, BTW. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Now, Audie Murphy....you're talking about a real American hero there. Walked the walk. From his MOH citation: "2d Lt. Murphy commanded Company B, which was attacked by 6 tanks and waves of infantry. 2d Lt. Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to prepared positions in a woods, while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him, to his right, 1 of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. Its crew withdrew to the woods. 2d Lt. Murphy continued to direct artillery fire which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machinegun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he killed or wounded about 50. 2d Lt. Murphy's indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction, and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy's objective." -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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More appeal to authority, just like Muhammad Ali. An authority who has no expertise in the subject at hand. I love John Wayne movies, but his politics were pretty sad. | |||
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Bingo! | |||
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So, none of you read the article I posted about? JW signed up for the draft. He was rejected, as were some 40% who signed up. | |||
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Thanks, Mike. I knew Murphy was a war here, and had won the Medal of Honor, but I didn't know the details of his amazing accomplishments on the battlefield. John Wayne looks pretty small in comparison. | |||
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I like John Wayne and his politics. I also like Audie Murphy. I actually knew Audie as a little kid. He liked to do rodeo cowboy stuff and hung out with a couple of the guys who taught me to rope calves. Been to see his grave twice. According to my Dad…he was a conservative as well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Murphy was a soldier first, then got into acting from his war exploits, being known. He also had his demons, before and after he went to war. But, a hell of a soldier any way you look at it. | |||
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And always packed a 1911 on him. He had a rough life before and after. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Joe Biden and his cri!E family make Nixon look like a saint! Hillary and her Russia hoax make Watergate seem a lark...... You lefties are dispicable..... | |||
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MM, not sure where your first post calling Lane a liar went? Pretty sure Lane meant when Lane was a kid. You will notice he said little kid. I'm a year older than Lane. I met a man named Shorty Birch who rode to Arizona from Texas on a horse in 1910 and got a job as the head wrangler for the Empire Cienega Ranch's remuda. It is not unreasonable to think Lane knew Audie as a boy. . | |||
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You knew Audie Murphy? He was born in 1925 and and died in '71. Tell us how you knew him and hung out with him. Christ. You get more crazy by the post. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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My grandad was born in 1917......I knew him.....lil mikey you are and will remain a moron.... | |||
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You and Audie were buddies. Lane, you're a nut. Saying nutty shit. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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You knew Audie Murphy too? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I deleted it because I don't think Lane is a liar and I felt wrong about saying that. But, goddamn. He met Audie Murphy? Now, Shorty Birch, that's a different question. Because nobody ever heard of Shorty Birch. You get that, right? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I don’t know that I would call John Wayne a draft dodger. But he certainly didn’t volunteer for combat duty. Jimmy Stewart was one of a kind. Audie Murphy was a genuine war hero. Wayne could easily have done what Regan did- get a commission and do what he did while having a uniform. I do tend to like John Wayne, I really enjoyed most of his movies. I’m not at all upset by his politics and think he was overstating his views at times due to the tenor of the times. I in no way think John Wayne was a heroic person… but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a great entertainer, or patriotic. | |||
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Your ability to straddle the fence never ceases to amaze. I love John Wayne movies too. American treasure. But, he should have suited up and gone. Literally, everybody else did. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Best John Wayne movie? 1. Rooster Cogburn 2. The Shootist 3. The Alamo 4. True Grit 5. El Dorado 6. Red River 7. Cahill, US Marshall 8. The Cowboys 9. The Green Berets 10. In Harm's Way And, a bunch more. I love John Wayne movies. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Goddamn Mitchell, it was a small world back then. And yeah, i get you've never heard of a Texan by the name of Shorty Birch who worked for the biggest ranch in the Territories, which surprises me somewhat considering all Texans are related... . | |||
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Rio Grande . | |||
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The Searchers The Shootist Red River The Cowboys On Harem’s Way Tycoon Fort Apache and the entire non Calvary Trilogy. | |||
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Literally? My maternal grandfather was a farmer and exempt due to having a young kid (my mom). As he was an orphan, no family to help. He didn’t serve. I suspect he wished he could have. My paternal grandfather was in as an officer before the draft started. I think 2-3 of my male relatives of service age did not serve in WWII. So no, literally everyone didn’t serve. Lots did. Lots as Patton was quoted saying had to tell their children “Well, I shoveled horseshit In Louisiana.” Heck, one of my relatives got retired as a 2nd Lieutenant before 12/7/41. Hand grenade with a short fuse. He flew aircraft recreationally for decades afterwards… Per google, 20% of the eligible population in the US were drafted. 1/5 is not literally everyone.
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Lee Marvin and James Stewart counted Duke a good man. That is enough for me. The author of Ford and Wayne provides documentation that the head of RKO that had just signed Duke to a very large contract (750k I think) threatened to sue him for breach if he went off. The author of American Titan Marc Eliot alleges Wayne was having an affair with actress Marlene Dietrich. Eliot cities possibility of losing this relationship was the real reason Wayne didn’t want to go to war. I was not convinced. | |||
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I recall Lee Marvin on the Tonight Show hosted by Johnny Carson regaling the audience with a story about being with Wayne in the bar at Skyline country club in Tucson during a break in shooting a motion picture. The story goes: "The Dude" was so drunk he fell over and took several people down with him. Quite the role model. Of course I might be a bit jaded. See, the Beaham's XX ranch literally abutted the Old Tucson Studio's East movie set in Mescal, East of Tucson. I was lucky to meet a great number of western stars over the years. As a kid i thought all movie stars were cowboys and cowgirls because every one i met was wearing boots and a hat. Then about the time I was old enough to figure out Santa and the Easter Bunny were frauds, i realized that all these movie people were just fakes too. I couldn't understand the glory and notoriety draped on these city folks who faked punching cows and whooped like Indians on the warpath. I mean, they didn't know the desolation, loneliness, and endless work. I thought who the hell did these dorks think they were anyways? And i felt comfortable thinking it because i was a third generation Arizona Cattleman actually living it. Kind of took the shine off Hollywood cowboys for me. Don't get me wrong, I love the western film genre. But it had to grow on me. Unlike my dad, lol... He told me a story about the time he and a number of boys snuck their cap pistols into the old Fox theater in downtown Tucson for a nickle matinee featuring Tom Mix. He laughed as he recounted the ushers dismay with the smoke and smell of burnt powder in the air. He said it was the best western he and his friends ever saw. Hahahahaaha But for me, movie stars, meh, I could care less about folks who spend their whole life pretending, in order to be noticed. Kind of like politicians. . | |||
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I remember Clinton jumping into Cambodia with the Green Berets. | |||
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