The DOJ has (with a religious ferocity) prosecuted participants in the breaches of security on and in Capital confines on January 6th.

I’ve always questioned a few issues with the Government’s actions in doing so.

1. Yesterday, the FBI Inspector General admitted that government operatives participated in the breaches of security. No Brady motion has resulted in that admission to date.
2. The Select Committee on Jan 6th was a totally partisan creation that allowed no cross examination of witnesses and in violation of house rules, destroyed any (and all) exculpatory evidence discovered in Trumps favor or potentially useable in defendants’ trials. Amazingly, yesterday when asked, the chairman of the Select Committee said he’d accept a pardon from Biden for criminal acts he might have committed as the chair.
3. Not one bit ironically, the day before the FBI’s involvement in the “insurrection” was made public, the weasel Director of the FBI announced he was quitting. I wonder why? Ten dollars says he gets a pardon in trade for keeping quiet about the Biden family’s extortion racket.

Those here with TDS always dismissed my concerns calling me names and uninformed. The evidence was always there, just being suppressed, lied about and denied by viewing it through Alice’s mirror.

Maybe my informed speculation wasn’t so illogical (and I’m not even a Trump supporter), but just a guy who knows that due process is more important than a wrongfully gained conviction (and the ends never justify unconstitutional means). Rest assured that I’m not saying that some (or even many) Jan 6th defendants deserved convictions, but hiding evidence should have a consequence and juries should be allowed to hear ALL the compete evidence. Due process so demands.

For those here still justifying their TDS, the forthcoming truths will be easier to bear if, and when, you realize the truth is finally coming…
BTW, any of you looking for a pardon or commutation? Slick Willie sold a few. Maybe, while Joe is at it, you can get one cheap.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The DOJ has (with a religious ferocity) prosecuted participants in the breaches of security on and in Capital confines on January 6th.

I’ve always questioned a few issues with the Government’s actions in doing so.

1. Yesterday, the FBI Inspector General admitted that government operatives participated in the breaches of security. No Brady motion has resulted in that admission to date.
2. The Select Committee on Jan 6th was a totally partisan creation that allowed no cross examination of witnesses and in violation of house rules, destroyed any (and all) exculpatory evidence discovered in Trumps favor or potentially useable in defendants’ trials. Amazingly, yesterday when asked, the chairman of the Select Committee said he’d accept a pardon from Biden for criminal acts he might have committed as the chair.
3. Not one bit ironically, the day before the FBI’s involvement in the “insurrection” was made public, the weasel Director of the FBI announced he was quitting. I wonder why? Ten dollars says he gets a pardon in trade for keeping quiet about the Biden family’s extortion racket.

Those here with TDS always dismissed my concerns calling me names and uninformed. The evidence was always there, just being suppressed, lied about and denied by viewing it through Alice’s mirror.

Maybe my informed speculation wasn’t so illogical (and I’m not even a Trump supporter), but just a guy who knows that due process is more important than a wrongfully gained conviction (and the ends never justify unconstitutional means). Rest assured that I’m not saying that some (or even many) Jan 6th defendants deserved convictions, but hiding evidence should have a consequence and juries should be allowed to hear ALL the compete evidence. Due process so demands.

For those here still justifying their TDS, the forthcoming truths will be easier to bear if, and when, you realize the truth is finally coming…
BTW, any of you looking for a pardon or commutation? Slick Willie sold a few. Maybe, while Joe is at it, you can get one cheap.

Judge, why beat your head against the wall?

Trump directed an insurrection, PERIOD.

That same insurrectionist, just won both the popular vote and the electoral college. carried blue counties that have never voted red, got a higher percentage of the minority vote than any recent Republican, moved the eastern seaboard, "blue wall" further to the right than recent memory.

. . .

Sorry, but Trump has never been criminally charged with sedition. Smith could not conjure up any facts that would support such a charge.

Your post proves TDS has nothing to do with facts, just allegations. Just remember that the Democrats began impeachment planning before he even took office.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The DOJ has (with a religious ferocity) prosecuted participants in the breaches of security on and in Capital confines on January 6th.

I’ve always questioned a few issues with the Government’s actions in doing so.

1. Yesterday, the FBI Inspector General admitted that government operatives participated in the breaches of security. No Brady motion has resulted in that admission to date.
2. The Select Committee on Jan 6th was a totally partisan creation that allowed no cross examination of witnesses and in violation of house rules, destroyed any (and all) exculpatory evidence discovered in Trumps favor or potentially useable in defendants’ trials. Amazingly, yesterday when asked, the chairman of the Select Committee said he’d accept a pardon from Biden for criminal acts he might have committed as the chair.
3. Not one bit ironically, the day before the FBI’s involvement in the “insurrection” was made public, the weasel Director of the FBI announced he was quitting. I wonder why? Ten dollars says he gets a pardon in trade for keeping quiet about the Biden family’s extortion racket.

Those here with TDS always dismissed my concerns calling me names and uninformed. The evidence was always there, just being suppressed, lied about and denied by viewing it through Alice’s mirror.

Maybe my informed speculation wasn’t so illogical (and I’m not even a Trump supporter), but just a guy who knows that due process is more important than a wrongfully gained conviction (and the ends never justify unconstitutional means). Rest assured that I’m not saying that some (or even many) Jan 6th defendants deserved convictions, but hiding evidence should have a consequence and juries should be allowed to hear ALL the compete evidence. Due process so demands.

For those here still justifying their TDS, the forthcoming truths will be easier to bear if, and when, you realize the truth is finally coming…
BTW, any of you looking for a pardon or commutation? Slick Willie sold a few. Maybe, while Joe is at it, you can get one cheap.

Judge, why beat your head against the wall?

Trump directed an insurrection, PERIOD.

That same insurrectionist, just won both the popular vote and the electoral college. carried blue counties that have never voted red, got a higher percentage of the minority vote than any recent Republican, moved the eastern seaboard, "blue wall" further to the right than recent memory.

. . .

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Sorry, but Trump has never been criminally charged with sedition. Smith could not conjure up any facts that would support such a charge.

Your post proves TDS has nothing to do with facts, just allegations. Just remember that the Democrats began impeachment planning before he even took office.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The DOJ has (with a religious ferocity) prosecuted participants in the breaches of security on and in Capital confines on January 6th.

I’ve always questioned a few issues with the Government’s actions in doing so.

1. Yesterday, the FBI Inspector General admitted that government operatives participated in the breaches of security. No Brady motion has resulted in that admission to date.
2. The Select Committee on Jan 6th was a totally partisan creation that allowed no cross examination of witnesses and in violation of house rules, destroyed any (and all) exculpatory evidence discovered in Trumps favor or potentially useable in defendants’ trials. Amazingly, yesterday when asked, the chairman of the Select Committee said he’d accept a pardon from Biden for criminal acts he might have committed as the chair.
3. Not one bit ironically, the day before the FBI’s involvement in the “insurrection” was made public, the weasel Director of the FBI announced he was quitting. I wonder why? Ten dollars says he gets a pardon in trade for keeping quiet about the Biden family’s extortion racket.

Those here with TDS always dismissed my concerns calling me names and uninformed. The evidence was always there, just being suppressed, lied about and denied by viewing it through Alice’s mirror.

Maybe my informed speculation wasn’t so illogical (and I’m not even a Trump supporter), but just a guy who knows that due process is more important than a wrongfully gained conviction (and the ends never justify unconstitutional means). Rest assured that I’m not saying that some (or even many) Jan 6th defendants deserved convictions, but hiding evidence should have a consequence and juries should be allowed to hear ALL the compete evidence. Due process so demands.

For those here still justifying their TDS, the forthcoming truths will be easier to bear if, and when, you realize the truth is finally coming…
BTW, any of you looking for a pardon or commutation? Slick Willie sold a few. Maybe, while Joe is at it, you can get one cheap.

Judge, why beat your head against the wall?

Trump directed an insurrection, PERIOD.

That same insurrectionist, just won both the popular vote and the electoral college. carried blue counties that have never voted red, got a higher percentage of the minority vote than any recent Republican, moved the eastern seaboard, "blue wall" further to the right than recent memory.

. . .

Judge, my post was 100% poking fun at the "other side". I no more think he was an insurrectionist that you or I are.

At least one good thing came out of that committee…Cheney is gone out of Wyoming and national spotlight …hopefully for good

Sorry!

quote:

Judge, my post was 100% poking fun at the "other side". I no more think he was an insurrectionist that you or I are.

Formerly "Nganga"

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The DOJ has (with a religious ferocity) prosecuted participants in the breaches of security on and in Capital confines on January 6th.

I’ve always questioned a few issues with the Government’s actions in doing so.

1. Yesterday, the FBI Inspector General admitted that government operatives participated in the breaches of security. No Brady motion has resulted in that admission to date.
2. The Select Committee on Jan 6th was a totally partisan creation that allowed no cross examination of witnesses and in violation of house rules, destroyed any (and all) exculpatory evidence discovered in Trumps favor or potentially useable in defendants’ trials. Amazingly, yesterday when asked, the chairman of the Select Committee said he’d accept a pardon from Biden for criminal acts he might have committed as the chair.
3. Not one bit ironically, the day before the FBI’s involvement in the “insurrection” was made public, the weasel Director of the FBI announced he was quitting. I wonder why? Ten dollars says he gets a pardon in trade for keeping quiet about the Biden family’s extortion racket.

Those here with TDS always dismissed my concerns calling me names and uninformed. The evidence was always there, just being suppressed, lied about and denied by viewing it through Alice’s mirror.

Maybe my informed speculation wasn’t so illogical (and I’m not even a Trump supporter), but just a guy who knows that due process is more important than a wrongfully gained conviction (and the ends never justify unconstitutional means). Rest assured that I’m not saying that some (or even many) Jan 6th defendants deserved convictions, but hiding evidence should have a consequence and juries should be allowed to hear ALL the compete evidence. Due process so demands.

For those here still justifying their TDS, the forthcoming truths will be easier to bear if, and when, you realize the truth is finally coming…
BTW, any of you looking for a pardon or commutation? Slick Willie sold a few. Maybe, while Joe is at it, you can get one cheap.

Excellent post Judge!

I agree with the Judge. One question I have is if any of the 20+ government informants were charged. It will all be a moot point in a month when they are all pardoned, but if I were the President, I'd want to know who the informants were and would not pardon them.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The DOJ has (with a religious ferocity) prosecuted participants in the breaches of security on and in Capital confines on January 6th.

I’ve always questioned a few issues with the Government’s actions in doing so.

1. Yesterday, the FBI Inspector General admitted that government operatives participated in the breaches of security. No Brady motion has resulted in that admission to date.
2. The Select Committee on Jan 6th was a totally partisan creation that allowed no cross examination of witnesses and in violation of house rules, destroyed any (and all) exculpatory evidence discovered in Trumps favor or potentially useable in defendants’ trials. Amazingly, yesterday when asked, the chairman of the Select Committee said he’d accept a pardon from Biden for criminal acts he might have committed as the chair.
3. Not one bit ironically, the day before the FBI’s involvement in the “insurrection” was made public, the weasel Director of the FBI announced he was quitting. I wonder why? Ten dollars says he gets a pardon in trade for keeping quiet about the Biden family’s extortion racket.

Those here with TDS always dismissed my concerns calling me names and uninformed. The evidence was always there, just being suppressed, lied about and denied by viewing it through Alice’s mirror.

Maybe my informed speculation wasn’t so illogical (and I’m not even a Trump supporter), but just a guy who knows that due process is more important than a wrongfully gained conviction (and the ends never justify unconstitutional means). Rest assured that I’m not saying that some (or even many) Jan 6th defendants deserved convictions, but hiding evidence should have a consequence and juries should be allowed to hear ALL the compete evidence. Due process so demands.

For those here still justifying their TDS, the forthcoming truths will be easier to bear if, and when, you realize the truth is finally coming…
BTW, any of you looking for a pardon or commutation? Slick Willie sold a few. Maybe, while Joe is at it, you can get one cheap.

What amazes me is that many of the learned in the law types here couldn’t see the above and swallowed the bait hook, line, and sinker — just as they did with the Russian collusion hoax.

Many of us pointed it out for years — only to be poo-pooed like you Judge.

I think I screwed up and wasn’t clear : I do believe some Jan 6th defendants should have been convicted (and still would have if the DOJ ‘fessed up to their involvement).

I believe “some” should have as well.

I can't disagree. The moron wearing the horned headress for example.

The government can NEVER be trusted!

My point in adding to this thread is this:

It has been obvious for a long time that GVT agents played a roll in J6. Independent reporting has born out massive evidence for years now.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...b0c29adfeb7eb&ei=125

Trump’s attempt to rewrite history of January 6 instead adds new chapter of corruption

The New York Post has prompted disinformation before.

However, the headline is:

FBI had 26 informants at Jan. 6 Capitol riots — and most were involved, bombshell DOJ report confirms

The Judge in the OP calls them "Government Operatives" and thinks he's all vindicated and confirmed in his "informed speculations".

Anyway, there are several articles of real information on this.

https://www.google.com/search?...iswI&sclient=gws-wiz

https://www.usatoday.com/story...-report/76971199007/

FBI didn't have undercover agents at Jan. 6 Capitol riot, also didn't stoke it: Report
It's the week in extremism, from USA TODAY
Will Carless
USA TODAY 12/14/24

ME,
Please define “agent.” And also clarify how an “assigned informant” is different from an “employee” or an “agent.”

There are more shoes to drop here. We know now that the FBI did have boots on the ground in communication with the Agency from the get-go of the day — something they have denied in the past.

Wake up…. This is a healthy “woke”.

When you put all your marbles in one basket, you really don’t have any marbles to still play with. The players (the MSM and the TDS sufferers) can only talk about the marbles that they used to have in the game, regardless that perpetrators (MSM) and the intentional TDS victims of an intentional disinformation agenda promulgated as fact, no longer matter to anyone but other sick puppies.

Lincoln, I believe, said it best. Paraphrased, while you can fool some of the people some of the time, you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. You got fooled. Lots of people did. But, now, the American people are a little ahead of you and are realizing that they were intentionally fooled and now they are learning the truth and they’re angry. Just look at the MSN ratings.

It’s okay. Just recognize you were duped, fess up and be proud of your ability to admit it. Or, double down on the MSN agenda and be recognized as having terminal TDS. Irrelevance is not a good thing for a prideful man.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The New York Post has prompted disinformation before.

However, the headline is:

FBI had 26 informants at Jan. 6 Capitol riots — and most were involved, bombshell DOJ report confirms

The Judge in the OP calls them "Government Operatives" and thinks he's all vindicated and confirmed in his "informed speculations".

Anyway, there are several articles of real information on this.

https://www.google.com/search?...iswI&sclient=gws-wiz

https://www.usatoday.com/story...-report/76971199007/

FBI didn't have undercover agents at Jan. 6 Capitol riot, also didn't stoke it: Report
It's the week in extremism, from USA TODAY
Will Carless
USA TODAY 12/14/24

What part of this report from Newsweek do neither of you understand?

FBI didn't have undercover agents at Jan. 6 Capitol riot, also didn't stoke it: Report
It's the week in extremism, from USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story...-report/76971199007/

FBI was undercover at Jan. 6, but didn’t start it: Report

A long-awaited report from the DOJ’s Office of Inspector General detailing the FBI’s role in policing the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol concludes that while dozens of informants were in the crowd, there was no evidence of undercover agents storming the Capitol.

The canard that the Jan. 6 riot was actually an FBI setup and was driven on by undercover agents has been circulating since the days after the attack. The OIG’s report pours cold water on this conspiracy theory.

“We found no evidence in the materials we reviewed or the testimony we received showing or suggesting that the FBI had undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6,” the report states.

As USA TODAY reported, the findings contradict suggestions that the attack was government-directed. Rep. Clay Higgins, R-La., claimed at a 2023 House Committee on Homeland Security hearing that there were "ghost buses" that were "filled with FBI informants dressed as Trump supporters, deployed onto our Capitol on January 6th."

The report notes that three FBI informants were assigned to the capital that day to keep an eye on domestic terrorism suspects they were monitoring. An additional 23 informants attended the riot on their own, according to the report.

The report also notes a significant intelligence failing by the FBI in the runup to Jan. 6: “Specifically, the FBI did not canvass its field offices in advance of January 6, 2021, to identify any intelligence, including CHS reporting, about potential threats to the January 6 Electoral Certification.”

In the days leading up to the riot, hundreds of people, including well-known domestic extremists and the leaders of extremist groups, made public posts threatening disorder on Jan. 6. The riot was not a surprise to most experts in domestic violent extremism.

The article uses the word "canard".

"The canard that the Jan. 6 riot was actually an FBI setup and was driven on by undercover agents has been circulating since the days after the attack. The OIG’s report pours cold water on this conspiracy theory."

"The meaning of CANARD is a false or unfounded report or story; especially : a fabricated report."

Let me get this straight. I looked back at your posts in this thread for your source of info and didn't see any. So, I assume your source is the canard.

So, you don't trust the govt, especially the FBI, and you don't trust the inspector general's official report. Instead, you trust a CANARD on social media.

You have demonstrated not only Belief in Fiction but the cognitive dissonance to sustain it, passionately, unfalteringly.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us...s-proof-of-fbi-setup

FACT FOCUS: Inspector General’s Jan. 6 Report Misrepresented as Proof of FBI Setup
Social media users are misrepresenting a report by the Justice Department inspector general’s office, falsely claiming that it’s proof the FBI orchestrated the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021

Social media users are misrepresenting a report released Thursday by the Justice Department inspector general's office, falsely claiming that it's proof the FBI orchestrated the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021.

The watchdog report examined a number of areas, including whether major intelligence failures preceded the riot and whether the FBI in some way provoked the violence. Claims spreading online focus on the report's finding that 26 FBI informants were in Washington for election-related protests on Jan. 6, including three who had been tasked with traveling to the city to report on others who were potentially planning to attend the events.

Although 17 of those informants either entered the Capitol or a restricted area around the building during the riot, none of the 26 total informants were authorized to do so by the bureau, according to the report. Nor were they authorized to otherwise break the law or encourage others to do so.

Here's a closer look at the facts.

CLAIM: A December 2024 report released by the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General is proof that the Jan. 6 Capitol riot was a setup by the FBI.

THE FACTS: That's false. The report found that no undercover FBI employees were at the riot on Jan. 6 and that none of the bureau's informants were authorized to participate. Informants, also known as confidential human sources, work with the FBI to provide information, but are not on the bureau’s payroll. Undercover agents are employed by the FBI.

According to the report, 26 informants were in Washington on Jan. 6 in connection with the day's events. FBI field offices only informed the Washington Field Office or FBI headquarters of five informants that were to be in the field on Jan. 6. Of the total 26 informants, four entered the Capitol during the riot and an additional 13 entered a restricted area around the Capitol. But none were authorized to do so by the FBI, nor were they given permission to break other laws or encourage others to do the same. The remaining nine informants did not engage in any illegal activities.

None of the 17 informants who entered the Capitol or surrounding restricted area have been prosecuted, the report says. A footnote states that after reviewing a draft of the report, the U.S. attorney's office in Washington said that it “generally has not charged those individuals whose only crime on January 6, 2021 was to enter restricted grounds surrounding the Capitol, which has resulted in the Office declining to charge hundreds of individuals; and we have treated the CHSs consistent with this approach.”

The assistant special agent in charge of the Washington Field Office's counterterrorism division told the inspector general's office that he “denied a request from an FBI office to have an undercover employee engage in investigative activity on January 6.” He, along with then-Washington Field Office Assistant Director in Charge Steven D'Antuono, said that FBI policy prohibits undercover employees at First Amendment-protected events without investigative authority.

“JANUARY 6th WAS A SETUP!" reads one X post that had received more than 11,400 likes and shares as of Friday. “New inspector general report shows that 26 FBI/DOJ confidential sources were in the crowd on January 6th, and some of them went into the Capitol and restricted areas. Is it a coincidence that Wray put in his resignation notice yesterday? TREASON!”

The mention of Wray's resignation refers to FBI Director Christopher Wray's announcement Wednesday that he plans to resign at the end of President Joe Biden's term in January.

Other users highlighted the fact that there were 26 FBI informants in Washington on Jan. 6, but omitted key information about the findings of the report.

These claims echo a fringe conspiracy theory advanced by some Republicans in Congress that the FBI played a role in instigating the events of Jan. 6, 2021, when rioters determined to overturn Republican Donald Trump's 2020 election loss to Democrat Joe Biden stormed the Capitol in a violent clash with police. The report knocks that theory down. Wray called such theories “ludicrous” at a congressional hearing last year.

Asked for comment on the false claims spreading online, Stephanie Logan, a spokesperson for the inspector general’s office, pointed The Associated Press to a press release about the report.

In addition to its findings about the the FBI's involvement on Jan. 6, the report said that the FBI, in an action its now-deputy director described as a “basic step that was missed,” failed to canvass informants across all 56 of its field offices for any relevant intelligence ahead of time. That was a step, the report concluded, “that could have helped the FBI and its law enforcement partners with their preparations in advance of January 6.” However, it did credit the bureau for preparing for the possibility of violence and for trying to identify known “domestic terrorism subjects” who planned to come to Washington that day.

The FBI said in a letter responding to the report that it accepts the inspection general’s recommendation “regarding potential process improvements for future events.”

Three things…

1. Yes, as you’re finding, reality really sucks.

2. https://youtu.be/q5fXYx_5Pv8?si=Xd5BBGz0XDYkR3-a. A YouTube medley of cocky prize fighters getting knocked out and discovering #1.

3. You’d be perfect for The View.

Did you see Smith on ESPN. He’s a big time liberal.
He gives a great 5 minutes of how angry he is in learning that the Democrats lie worse than Trump folks.

Mangina is lost to reality.....the massive volume of the internet gives her too many places to find theories and explanations to back up her irrationally ridiculous beliefs.....

Poor old woman!

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Wake up…. This is a healthy “woke”.

When you put all your marbles in one basket, you really don’t have any marbles to still play with. The players (the MSM and the TDS sufferers) can only talk about the marbles that they used to have in the game, regardless that perpetrators (MSM) and the intentional TDS victims of an intentional disinformation agenda promulgated as fact, no longer matter to anyone but other sick puppies .

Lincoln, I believe, said it best. Paraphrased, while you can fool some of the people some of the time, you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. You got fooled. Lots of people did. But, now, the American people are a little ahead of you and are realizing that they were intentionally fooled and now they are learning the truth and they’re angry. Just look at the MSN ratings.

It’s okay. Just recognize you were duped, fess up and be proud of your ability to admit it. Or, double down on the MSN agenda and be recognized as having terminal TDS. Irrelevance is not a good thing for a prideful man.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:

Maybe my informed speculation wasn’t so illogical (and I’m not even a Trump supporter), but just a guy who knows that due process is more important than a wrongfully gained conviction (and the ends never justify unconstitutional means) . Rest assured that I’m not saying that some (or even many) Jan 6th defendants deserved convictions, but hiding evidence should have a consequence and juries should be allowed to hear ALL the compete evidence. Due process so demands.

For those here still justifying their TDS, the forthcoming truths will be easier to bear if, and when, you realize the truth is finally coming…

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Judge, why beat your head against the wall?

Trump directed an insurrection, PERIOD.

That same insurrectionist, just won both the popular vote and the electoral college. carried blue counties that have never voted red, got a higher percentage of the minority vote than any recent Republican, moved the eastern seaboard, "blue wall" further to the right than recent memory.

. . .

I know Steve was taunting, but the fact that Trump won, being an insurrectionist factually, is worth thinking about.

But this post is to ask a question.

We've all seen loads of crap from some people's fiction beliefs, but has anyone seen such a load as posted by the Judge?

I highlighted some of his post in bold to draw your focus.

When it is realized that the judge has ingested an unimaginable amount of lies and his post is a regurgitation, plus he claims righteousness through knowledge and appreciation of due process, and the ends never justify unconstitutional means, and intentional disinformation agenda promulgated as fact, the incongruity is astounding.

Also, a few choice quips: "no longer matter to anyone but other sick puppies", and "Just look at the MSN ratings", and "Irrelevance is not a good thing for a prideful man", and "It’s okay. Just recognize you were duped, fess up and be proud of your ability to admit it. Or, double down".

Mere words seem insufficient, but I'll try.

What the Judge has shown us is a good representative sample of what I've been calling Belief in Fiction, and he described the two main options as a remedy to cognitive dissonance, which are change your mind (opinion) to account for facts, or double down, make excuses, to maintain the beliefs.

He writes of Truth as though he has it cornered. What's to say about that? What he's got is worse than duped. He's got a condition that he can't handle. It's handling him and he's not man enough to beat it, much less admit it. He's hungry for affirmations and calls it Truth.

And this sort of thing is far from irrelevance or "no longer matters". We are entering, on the threshold of the real Trump era. This controlling the narrative thing is essential to Trump and his team and his followers. It's what fascists and fascist fodder do. It's the formula. One of the first things they do is (try to) flip the narrative of 1/6/21. One of the prime means is to lie about hidden additional evidence and call it exculpatory. It's lies to cover previous lies. That's what this is about. It's been ongoing and ramped up lately. Expect much, much more.

What we are experiencing as a Nation is a period where Belief in Fiction has won and is projected to keep winning. Winning perpetually is the end game. The means is and will be to foment Belief in Fiction, and shit like the Judge believes as truth is a small dose of it, both the cause and effect.

I don't know nor will I attempt a prediction. I also don't know how this depravity will affect me. But I know it ain't good and will lead to no good and that bothers me.

The only remedy I know of is to call it what it is, and call it out, and maintain the notion that there are still plenty of American Patriots who will not put up with this shit.

Somebody is convinced (to the point of religious faith) that riding the up escalator to go up is illogical, ignorant and anti-American.

EM, Looking forward to your premier on The View, that bastion of political thought and escalator science.

My concerns about the use of “lawfare” against Trump and his minions was mentioned on this forum long before it became popular. It wasn’t because of any rightwing reporting, but from watching Congressional hearings and listening to the tripe coming out of the mouths of Garland, etc., the 3rd senior official of the DOJ leaving his career job to prosecute an alleged state accounting misdemeanor, Fanni’s collusion with the DOJ (about which she’s still refusing to abide to subpoena), the Jack Smith failure to discover indictable proof of sedition (so I’ll raid Mar-a-Lago and go through Melania’s underwear), the NY civil prosecution for standard banking process that only had satisfied lenders….. All that and the stated plan to impeach Trump before he was even in office.

BTW, here’s a wee bit about Brady. My experience was that 10% abuse discovered is just the tip of the iceberg. While I recognize it’s tough to always play fair when the defense doesn’t, police and prosecutors often succumb to a “It’s them against us” syndrome and hide exculpatory evidence. Heck, the Jan 6th committee even did it and doubled down by destroying evidence.

https://scholarlycommons.law.n...%20of%20808%20cases).

quote:

Somebody is convinced (to the point of religious faith)

That's the best example of what I mean by Belief in Fiction. I didn't use that example because I didn't want to deflect to an argument about religion.

But it is noticeable that deeply religious people have made the psychological step into Belief in Fiction whole mindedly. And thusly noticeable is they have a worldview harboring Belief as answering their questions and resolving contradiction.

It's an intentional choice to untether from reality, and it takes maintenance. In fact, the Belief IS reality for many. Where they draw the line between Belief and reality becomes less distinct over time and maintenance. The reliance on Belief becomes a safe haven where reality is scary, in large part because it challenges Belief constantly. The deeper into Belief one gets the scarier reality becomes.

It can be viewed as the opposite of a skill set.

Critical thinking is tethered to reality, and it is a skill set, and it too requires maintenance. Inherent in that skill is the ability to distinguish between belief and reality, let go of belief and favor reality.

Knowing all that doesn't make it easy, looking outside and inside. For one thing, it allows for the notion - what if you're right? First thing it means is that I'm wrong. But it's important to consider that. We are all subject to and challenged by cognitive dissonance. The True Believer in Fiction defaults to confirmation bias and the realist CHOOSES to question his opinions and weigh the evidence again and again, skillfully. The pull of confirmation bias is strong, obviously.

Believers in Fiction also believe they can and do question their opinions and weigh the evidence.

I say all that as a prelude to responding to your post above.

I don't want to critique your every point. But I did consider them and questioned my preconceived notions as well, checking myself for confirmation bias. There are several lies imbedded in your summary conclusions stated as facts, just as there are in all your posts. We can't get past them partly because you always have a new batch (confirmation bias).

My point(s) isn't about you anyway, but about the bigger issue of Belief in Fiction on a national scale. You just provided specific examples.

I don't share your belief at all that Trump has suffered lawfare. I believe the Nation, thus all of us have suffered Trump's lawfare and it will continue. He has defeated the rule of law and all that can be inferred from that, with your help and millions of other true believers.

The only tools I have are logic, reason, facts and evidence, to what little and debatable extent I may have. My belief is useless unless my "tools" are in support. So, I'm not going to pit my belief against yours. But I will pit my tools against your beliefs. Right now that feels a bit frustrating because on a national scale such "tools", as in a national and essential to democracy skill-set, failed against Belief in Fiction.

We have beat this to death.

So, here's a tandem argument:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...8294ce2b7fa56c&ei=99

Biden must act to stop the greatest mass miscarriage of justice in American history
Opinion by Jay Michaelson • 2d • 6 min read

What part of this report from Newsweek do neither of you understand?

FBI didn't have undercover agents at Jan. 6 Capitol riot, also didn't stoke it: Report
It's the week in extremism, from USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story...-report/76971199007/

FBI was undercover at Jan. 6, but didn’t start it: Report


It's true to them only because they want it to be.

Were there undercover agents, or just informants?

Big difference.

So, excuse my ignorance, but if as Government agency I put undercover or informant , best reason would be maybe for those agents to somehow work towards stopping the so called riot/insurgency/whatever you may wanna call it?
Nobody was armed with any deadly weapon period so those agents/informants could have started talking common sense and dissuade others to stave the forward move?
Food for thought guys…

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Were there undercover agents, or just informants?

Big difference.

As a lawyer, you ask this question?
For us regular folks, undercover agent is gov informant in the same sense…so you fail to recognize that means you failed as a lawyer

I really don't understand why there is confusion over "government operatives" FBI Agents, Government informants, employees. I thought we were all past that.

I thought the article I posted above would have cleared it up.

The FBI didn't set it up and didn't stoke it, as a matter of fact. That's the rebuttal to the main part of the lie circulated on social media.

"The report found that no undercover FBI employees were at the riot on Jan. 6 and that none of the bureau's informants were authorized to participate. Informants, also known as confidential human sources, work with the FBI to provide information, but are not on the bureau’s payroll. Undercover agents are employed by the FBI."

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Originally posted by M.Shy:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Were there undercover agents, or just informants?

Big difference.

As a lawyer, you ask this question?
For us regular folks, undercover agent is gov informant in the same sense…so you fail to recognize that means you failed as a lawyer

I didn't attempt anything as a lawyer; therefore I couldn't fail. I just pointed out that informant and agent are different things.

An undercover agent is a representative of the FBI who pretends to be a member of a group being investigated. An agent is a salaried employee who has the authority to act on behalf of the FBI.

An informant is someone who's a member of the group and who is giving the FBI information about criminal activity. He has no authority to act on behalf of the agency and is not on salary.

The FBI would not want to disclose either, as it may compromise an investigation or reveal their means and methods.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...1b52dc6dabc206&ei=20

Trump’s effort to move the Jan. 6 goalposts is literally unbelievable
Story by Steve Benen • 10h • 3 min read

Proponents of Jan. 6 conspiracy theories are probably accustomed to embarrassing setbacks, but last week was especially brutal. The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, unveiled the detailed findings of a four-year investigation, which concluded that while there were FBI informants at the Capitol, no FBI officials were responsible for instigating the attack.

Once these revelations were released, Donald Trump, left with no choice, grudgingly acknowledged reality.

No, I’m just kidding. The president-elect actually published an item to his social media platform, shortly before midnight on Friday night, that cynically tried to move the goalposts.

“Wow! This is big news,” the Republican wrote. “What a disgrace. Let J-6 Hostages out NOW!!!”

https://youtu.be/KUsLik1E22g?si=s2agg1ZGMEGf-lGM

Brooks and Marcus on Wray's resignation and what's next for the FBI

This attempt at journalism is amazingly poor quality; so bad that I feel sure you’re using the examples as indicative of the same. Or is the View still calling it’s siren song?

A quality professor of the arts and duties of the fourth estate would give the producers an “F” pointing out that the gibbering fools never really inquired of themselves and the recent history of the Bureau to determine and explain, if so found, whether the director had committed acts and omissions that deserved a presidential response. I believe Wray deserves to be fired. The majority of Americans agree.

I have yet to see a single leftist writer or talking head diligently inquire why they (the journalists) are disrespected (and losing viewer and readership while the rank and file of the FBI is disgusted with the leadership or why whistleblowers are reporting misfeasance and malfeasance on the part of senior management. More than 50% of polled Americans distrust Wray. More distrust the MSM.

To even hope that The Washington Post will fairly investigate Trump’s motives (instead of assuming all Orange is bad and all Wray is good) is unreasonable. The video you presented proves it.

The Right, of course, is only a little better. Shame on both.

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I have yet to see a single leftist writer or talking head diligently inquire why they (the journalists) are disrespected (and losing viewer and readership while the rank and file of the FBI is disgusted with the leadership or why whistleblowers are reporting misfeasance and malfeasance on the part of senior management. More than 50% of polled Americans distrust Wray. More distrust the MSM.

I think it's true that centrist or left leaning media is losing ratings and viewership. I'm not in that group, BTW. And Fox is gaining viewership, although they are known liars.

I don't know about the rank and file FBI being disgusted thing you claim. You made the claim so verify it.

Also, whistleblowers are just as subject to lying as any Rightists. Just because they are deemed whistleblowers doesn't mean they tell the truth. Trump's DOJ did malfeasance in snooping on the press and at least two members of congress, BTW.

The distrust of MSM other than Fox is understandable since logically it would run parallel with the rise in Belief in Lies. The merchants of lies gain ratings while the merchants of truth lose ratings. It's that simple.

Guess what? Apparently none of the FBI moles who participated were charged.

Shocker!

The reports I've read say they were informants, not moles (undercover agents). Do you have a link to something that says they were moles?

I found one article that may be reporting both sides of the dispute. It shows Fox Spin too.

https://san.com/cc/no-fbi-agen...latest-jan-6-report/

No FBI agents, but 26 informants: Media divided over latest Jan 6 report

And here's an article that clarifies:

https://www.wate.com/hill-poli...conspiracy-theories/

DOJ: No undercover FBI agents were present for Jan. 6, countering conspiracy theories
by: Rebecca Beitsch, The Hill

Posted: Dec 17, 2024 / 09:52 PM EST

Updated: Dec 17, 2024 / 09:52 PM EST


(excerpt)

The report did find that some of the FBI’s confidential human sources (CHSs) were present in the crowds, including three who were tasked with monitoring domestic terrorism subjects.

“None of these FBI CHSs were authorized to enter the Capitol or a restricted area, or to otherwise break the law on January 6, nor was any CHS directed by the FBI to encourage others to commit illegal acts on January 6,” the report noted.

Beyond the three sources who coordinated with the bureau, the inspector general found that 23 other confidential human sources came to D.C. in connection with the rally, of which four entered the Capitol and another 13 entered the restricted security perimeter set up around the building.

“None of the CHSs who entered the Capitol or a restricted area has been prosecuted to date,” the report concludes.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Guess what? Apparently none of the FBI moles who participated were charged.

Shocker!

So, let me get this straight- you are shocked that the FBI’s confidential human sources (CHSs) who were present in the crowds and who you call "moles", none were prosecuted to date.

Yet you are apparently not shocked that some GOPers in congress and Fox News invented and spread lies and stoked conspiracy theories which concluded that the FBI was responsible for the riots, stoking and participating.

I'm shocked but not surprised that you are not shocked about where the real harm is coming from, which is the agents of nefarious activities and intent within our GOPer congress and president elect.

The truth!