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Originally posted by crbutler:
US money is a congressional responsibility.

If congress puts conditions on its disbursement to foreign nations, I don’t know that the president has to follow them as foreign policy is the privilege of the executive branch… but congress can elect to not send money at all.


This is another example of Biden’s ineptitude. He told Israel and the world we backed Israel no matter what back in October. We are now trying to change our minds.

I don’t think we should be telling Israel who their leader should be. If we disagree with their war, we can say so, and we can withhold funds unless the law precludes it… but unless we are willing to hypocritically defend a bunch of terrorists, we are stuck with whoever Israel elects.

Who knows, Israel is a democratic nation, they may well boot Netanyahu… but that’s their decision, not ours.

Given our experiences in the Middle East, we certainly have no right to lecture how to win a war long term there.


Biden’s attempts to help Ukraine are likewise problematic. He’s not been at all receptive to providing oversight with how our money is being used there. Ukraine is highly corrupt- even Zelensky admits to problems there- and while throwing money at it without regulatory oversight in the short term is sometimes necessary, the fighting over it now because “they need the funds” strikes me as just more evidence of his ineptitude.

Not that Trump’s recommendations wouldn’t work, but somehow Ukrainian capitulation doesn’t strike me as a good end result.

I do think that the Ukrainian war is more a European problem than ours, but it is ours also. I don’t have a great answer as to how to get the EU to pick up a more appropriate share of the bill, especially since we are in deficit spending ourselves.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
And, by the way, fuck Putin.

We need to hold the line.

Which, at the end of the day, means we stand with with Israel.

Unless you are a geographical idiot.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
US money is a congressional responsibility.

If congress puts conditions on its disbursement to foreign nations, I don’t know that the president has to follow them as foreign policy is the privilege of the executive branch… but congress can elect to not send money at all.


This is another example of Biden’s ineptitude. He told Israel and the world we backed Israel no matter what back in October. We are now trying to change our minds.

I don’t think we should be telling Israel who their leader should be. If we disagree with their war, we can say so, and we can withhold funds unless the law precludes it… but unless we are willing to hypocritically defend a bunch of terrorists, we are stuck with whoever Israel elects.

Who knows, Israel is a democratic nation, they may well boot Netanyahu… but that’s their decision, not ours.

Given our experiences in the Middle East, we certainly have no right to lecture how to win a war long term there.


Biden’s attempts to help Ukraine are likewise problematic. He’s not been at all receptive to providing oversight with how our money is being used there. Ukraine is highly corrupt- even Zelensky admits to problems there- and while throwing money at it without regulatory oversight in the short term is sometimes necessary, the fighting over it now because “they need the funds” strikes me as just more evidence of his ineptitude.

Not that Trump’s recommendations wouldn’t work, but somehow Ukrainian capitulation doesn’t strike me as a good end result.

I do think that the Ukrainian war is more a European problem than ours, but it is ours also. I don’t have a great answer as to how to get the EU to pick up a more appropriate share of the bill, especially since we are in deficit spending ourselves.

We have every right in the world to tell Israel who we think their leader ought to be. They exist because of us. And, they have every right to tell us to stuff it. At the risk of losing our support. Which will never happen. Bibby is not popular in Israel. He'll be gone next go round.

And, it will change nothing. It is an intractable conflict. No end to it.

I say...let them work it out or let them keep killing each other. We ought to stay as far away from it as we can so long as it doesn't compromise our security.

Your comments about Biden's "ineptitude" are interesting. Tell us what he should do. He's trying to stop a war. Be specific.

And, we should abandon Ukraine to trump's butt-buddy in Russia? What a surprise you support that position. trump and his supporters sucking putin's ass. Bullshit.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
History has not proven that, and the U.S. does not have a history of rebuking Israel.

The best example I can give of that is Bush pushing for Gaza-Palestinian elections.

Our History is very pro Israel as it should be.

It does not need to be pro-Netanyahu.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
History has not proven that, and the U.S. does not have a history of rebuking Israel.

The best example I can give of that is Bush pushing for Gaza-Palestinian elections.

Our History is very pro Israel as it should be.

It does not need to be pro-Netanyahu.

Your politicians BELONG to the ZIONIST lobby!

I have NEVER seen a politically fucked up country as America!

Bribes are totally legal.

Masquerading as DONATIONS.

The New NAZIS are ruling you lot.

Masquerading as ZIONIST!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Foreign Policy goals by the Administration does not trump Congress role under the Constitution to control the purse. Congress does not have to fund a President’s ideas.

Foreign Policy is not the sole directive of the President. Otherwise, a President would not need Congress to fund, ratify treaties, declare war, or confirm ambassadors.

Your premise that a President can ignore conditions found in a spending bill is wrong. He veto the whole bill, but he cannot line item veto it. The Supreme Court has made that very clear.

What you suggest got President Trump impeached, and group of Senators tried to censure him for it to take the pressure off. If the vote in the Senate had went against President Trump, the Supreme Court would not have helped him. Unless they want to overturn some more, direct and controlling caselaw.

I did not support conviction for refusing to grant funds appropriated by an Act of Congress, but did support censure. That was because by the time the House voted the funds had been released.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Allowing the Gaza situation to continue is a self-defeating proposition. Assume you eliminate Hamas. You have created an entirely new generation of young people dedicated to the destruction of Israel. It is ludicrous to assume that you can kill ten of thousands of Palestinians, destroy cities and homes, leave people homeless and starving and not be creating the next generation of warriors dedicated to revenge and destruction. Personally I would like to see an end to the Israeli destruction in Gaza. Israel may be solving a short term issue but they are only creating an even larger long term problem for themselves.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Allowing the Gaza situation to continue is a self-defeating proposition. Assume you eliminate Hamas. You have created an entirely new generation of young people dedicated to the destruction of Israel. It is ludicrous to assume that you can kill ten of thousands of Palestinians, destroy cities and homes, leave people homeless and starving and not be creating the next generation of warriors dedicated to revenge and destruction. Personally I would like to see an end to the Israeli destruction in Gaza. Israel may be solving a short term issue but they are only creating an even larger long term problem for themselves.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Allowing the Gaza situation to continue is a self-defeating proposition. Assume you eliminate Hamas. You have created an entirely new generation of young people dedicated to the destruction of Israel. It is ludicrous to assume that you can kill ten of thousands of Palestinians, destroy cities and homes, leave people homeless and starving and not be creating the next generation of warriors dedicated to revenge and destruction. Personally I would like to see an end to the Israeli destruction in Gaza. Israel may be solving a short term issue but they are only creating an even larger long term problem for themselves.

The Zionist Entity called Israel has been doing this ever since they were ILLEGALLY created!

Finally, most the world is seeing them as they are.

Criminals against humanity!

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Which seems like a good time to introduce this.


https://www.facebook.com/reel/380893978199182

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
And, by the way, fuck Putin.

We need to hold the line.

Which, at the end of the day, means we stand with with Israel.

Unless you are a geographical idiot.

Russia has had a base or more in Syria since the 70's that I know.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
But people do infringe on your rights. What do you do about it?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
And, by the way, fuck Putin.

We need to hold the line.

Which, at the end of the day, means we stand with with Israel.

Unless you are a geographical idiot.

Russia has had a base or more in Syria since the 70's that I know.

And you have bases in how many countries??

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
And, by the way, fuck Putin.

We need to hold the line.

Which, at the end of the day, means we stand with with Israel.

Unless you are a geographical idiot.

Russia has had a base or more in Syria since the 70's that I know.

And you have bases in how many countries??

Half. Half the nations on earth have United States military bases which I think is terrible.