To do so is within his power granted by the Constitution, I expected him to do it.

I am not going to get mad at a father being a father.

Good. Now he's qualified for Trump's Cabinet.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
To do so is within his power granted by the Constitution, I expected him to do it.

I am not going to get mad at a father being a father.

Agree 100%. He could have crafted a better answer when asked if he was going to do so. But I agree, he had to pardon him.

I agree.

We all knew he would. Should have just said that.

Or nothing.

Instead.....he lied.....


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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Good. Now he's qualified for Trump's Cabinet.

Probably not a cabinet appointment but at least an ambassadorship…

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Good. Now he's qualified for Trump's Cabinet.

Exactly!

Fits right in, including the Grand Career Criminal Orange Arsehole!

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Instead.....he lied.....
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That may be. He may also have dithered, hoping that something would break and it wouldn't be necessary.
I dunno. He'll out of office in two months, his career is at its end, where's the downside?
People will compare his sins to those of The Donald, maybe? Not sit with him in church?

Let's play "whatabout". Is this worse than the Marc Rich Pardon? Does it compare?
I idly wonder if Hunter was played by Burisma and others, thinking he was doing something smart...

Will Biden pardon Assange, while he's at it?

No one is above the law! FJB

Right?

The ability for a president to pardon anyone outside of an independent judiciary is a real flaw in a system that's ripe for corruption.

Being Bidens son doesn't cut it as an excuse for me. It's a moral and ethical flaw in the president that opens the door for the next president to do as he pleases in these times.
It's disappointing to see.

Trump already opened that door when he pardoned his son-in-law's father.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Trump already opened that door when he pardoned his son-in-law's father.

I don't think the bar will ever be lower than Trump's pardon of Steve Bannon for scamming Trump's own supporters by stealing the money donated to build Trump's Wall.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
No one is above the law! FJB

Right?

Except trump....right? FDT

The pardon goes back to Jan. 1 2014, which covers all of Hunter's Burisma work

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Originally posted by shankspony:
The ability for a president to pardon anyone outside of an independent judiciary is a real flaw in a system that's ripe for corruption.

Being Bidens son doesn't cut it as an excuse for me. It's a moral and ethical flaw in the president that opens the door for the next president to do as he pleases in these times.
It's disappointing to see.

When the Constitution specifically permits something, that thing is not corrupt. The fact you do not like something does not make it corrupt. When an officer of the Fed Gov acts within expressed and specific power enumerated in the Constitution, that action is not corrupt.

Let us put it this way.

With the most obnoxious career criminal in the White House, he would make an example of him.

Good on Biden.

Basie has the last word.

Saying FUCK YOU to the MAGA ARSEHOLE!

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Trump already opened that door when he pardoned his son-in-law's father.

I don't think the bar will ever be lower than Trump's pardon of Steve Bannon for scamming Trump's own supporters by stealing the money donated to build Trump's Wall.

A good con artist like Bannon and Trump always knows an opportunity when he sees it. They instinctively know when the MAGA fruit tree is ripe for plucking, and they fertilize with BS and fraud.

“I am proud to be a leading voice on protecting our borders and building a wall to keep our country safe from drugs and violent criminals,” Bannon said in a written statement. “They are coming after all of us, not only President Trump and myself. I am never going to stop fighting. In fact, I have not yet begun to fight. They will have to kill me first.”

That's the perfect fear and hate mongering of the MAGA team leaders, and MAGA underlings bought it - sent money, voted per their belief in fiction.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings."
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-m...dicted-yes-rcna46619

Why Steve Bannon expects to be indicted (yes, again)
After having already been indicted twice and convicted once, Steve Bannon is now expecting to be charged again this week, and it's worth understanding why.

Sept. 7, 2022

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In other words, according to prosecutors, We Build the Wall leaders effectively pocketed some of the money they said would go toward the border project.

We now know that at least some of those criminal allegations were true: Bannon’s former partners in the endeavor pleaded guilty in April. The Republican operative, however, received a get-out-of-jail-free card from his former boss.

So why is Bannon poised to get indicted again as part of the same controversy? Because Trump’s pardon didn’t shield his former aide from state prosecution — and if the reporting is correct, New York prosecutors apparently believe Bannon broke state laws, too.

The accused isn’t exactly denying that we’ll soon learn of an indictment related to his border-related efforts.

“I am proud to be a leading voice on protecting our borders and building a wall to keep our country safe from drugs and violent criminals,” Bannon said a written statement last night. “They are coming after all of us, not only President Trump and myself. I am never going to stop fighting. In fact, I have not yet begun to fight. They will have to kill me first.”

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/s...e-we-build-the-wall/

Steve Bannon set for New York trial starting Feb. 25, judge rules
By Graham Kates

Updated on: November 18, 2024 / 1:22 PM EST / CBS News - Politics
By Graham Kates

(Excerpt)

Steve Bannon set for New York trial starting Feb. 25, judge rules

Steve Bannon, one of President-elect Donald Trump's loudest supporters, is scheduled for trial in February (2025) in a case in which Trump once pardoned him — but this time a White House pardon isn't on the table.

A judge Tuesday set Feb. 25 as the start of Bannon's trial on charges related to alleged money laundering, conspiracy and a scheme to defraud. The case stems from Bannon's alleged role in an organization that raised millions on the promise — during Trump's first term in office — that they would privately build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Bannon and the now-defunct group, called We Build the Wall, are accused of pocketing donations. He has entered a not guilty plea in the case and called the charges "nonsense," accusing Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg of pursuing allegations out of political animus.

The judge also ruled prosecutors could show jurors evidence that some of the charity's funds were used to cover more than $600,000 in credit card debt owed by another not-for-profit run by Bannon.

Trial in the case was originally scheduled for November 2023, but has been delayed repeatedly.

Bannon was indicted on federal charges in a similar case in August 2020, but Trump pardoned him as one of his last acts before leaving office in 2021 after his defeat to President Biden.

Presidents cannot issue pardons for state charges. As Trump enters the second month of his new presidency, his former senior counsel and White House chief strategist will be in court.

Joe: Hunter, I’m not going to pardon you. That’s final!

Hunter: Big Guy, I’ll rat you out if you don’t.

Joe: You want chocolate or butterscotch on that pardon?

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Joe: Hunter, I’m not going to pardon you. That’s final!

Hunter: Big Guy, I’ll rat you out if you don’t.

Joe: You want chocolate or butterscotch on that pardon?

It was all GOPer lawfare anyway.

What's there to rat on? Theory?

Here's the best short article I've seen on this topic:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...77aa75413a36f0&ei=10

The problem with Trump’s reaction to the Hunter Biden pardon
Story by Steve Benen • 1h • 2 min read

President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, was facing the possibility of a prison sentence on federal gun charges and federal tax evasion charges. Thanks to a presidential pardon, the defendant no longer has anything to worry about. My MSNBC colleague Hayley Miller explained:

There’s no shortage of angles to a story like this one, but broadly speaking, there are two sides to the story. On the one hand, there’s the outgoing president, who argued that his adult son wouldn’t even have been prosecuted if his last name weren’t Biden. The pardon, by this reasoning, is about advancing the cause of justice and righting a prosecutorial wrong.

On the other hand, there’s the simple fact that Biden publicly said he wouldn’t intervene in his son’s case and had no intention of issuing a presidential pardon. Then he did the opposite, causing an uproar among Republicans.

Complicating matters, both arguments have merit. Would Hunter Biden have faced a prison sentence if he weren’t related to the president? Probably not. Should presidents keep their word when they make public commitments? Of course. It’s relatively easy to make the case that, in this instance, both the president and his critics have a point.

The one person, however, who should sit this one out, is Donald Trump, who apparently couldn’t help himself.

Shortly after the White House announced the pardon for the incumbent president’s son, the Republican president-elect published an item to his social media platform that read, “Does the Pardon given by Joe to Hunter include the J-6 Hostages, who have now been imprisoned for years? Such an abuse and miscarriage of Justice!”

First, Jan. 6 criminals are not “hostages.”

Second, if we’re going to talk about pardons, abuses, and miscarriages of justice, Trump might not like where the conversation ends up.

Indeed, by any fair measure, Trump’s record on pardons is arguably the worst in American history. During his first term, he effectively wielded his pardon power as a corrupt weapon, rewarding loyalists, completing cover-ups, undermining federal law enforcement, and doling out perverse favors to the politically connected.

Trump’s list of scandalous pardon abuses is so long, it could be a lengthy book. The names should be familiar: Paul Manafort. Michael Flynn. Steve Bannon. Roger Stone. Seven different Republican members of Congress who were locked up for corruption crimes.

Trump saw presidential pardons as get-out-of-jail-free cards for his friends and associates, engaging in the kind of brazen corruption that would’ve defined his term were it not eclipsed by other breathtaking scandals.

If prominent GOP voices want Biden to pay a political price for pardoning his son, fine. He said he wouldn’t do this, then he did it anyway, and in the process, he invited political attacks that are rooted in fact for a change.

But if Trump thinks he has the moral high ground on the issue, that’s bonkers.

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I'm wondering if any GOPers will complain or even notice when Trump starts selling pardons, for money or better yet Quid Pro Quo, with immunity of course since he will claim official acts and lawfare that too if challenged? Heck, if he has his way, he will order and direct prosecutions and convictions on his perceived enemies, which are many, then offer pardons to those not already broke from attorney fees, starting at a million dollars and kiss the ring in public - all official acts of course. It's an untapped gold mine.

Even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see that one coming .
But then again Slimy Demodrats doing what they do best !!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
The ability for a president to pardon anyone outside of an independent judiciary is a real flaw in a system that's ripe for corruption.

Being Bidens son doesn't cut it as an excuse for me. It's a moral and ethical flaw in the president that opens the door for the next president to do as he pleases in these times.
It's disappointing to see.

When the Constitution specifically permits something, that thing is not corrupt. The fact you do not like something does not make it corrupt. When an officer of the Fed Gov acts within expressed and specific power enumerated in the Constitution, that action is not corrupt.

Corruption can be the legal use of something for an unintended purpose.
Are you saying the founding fathers intended presidential pardons to be used for rioters and law breakers? or was it intended for miscarriages of justice and special circumstances?

No.

George Washington pardoned actual traitors who shot folks and tried to overthrow Congress.

The pardon is working as intended.

The power is fully discretionary and granted only to the executive by design.

There is some Law Journal commentary concerning conditional pardons. However, one would have to be stupid to issue a conditional pardon.

How can it be unfair when it was Bidens picks that looked into the case?
If Biden knew nothing of Hunters business deals, why did he pardon him back 11 years? Someone must have known something that didnt smell right.

Any important decision has to be made based on prevailing conditions.

Joe Biden was, unexpectedly, faced with the most vindictive and lawless individual ever regaining control of the Executive Branch and the iron-clad certainty that Republicans would continue to attempt to harm him, by proxy, through his son.

Not issuing a sweeping pardon would have been tantamount to sacrificing his only remaining son at the altar of MAGA, one of the most odious political movements in American history.

Had he granted a narrow pardon for only the convictions somebody with the ethical and moral gravitas of Matt Gaetz would have invented myriad other "charges" to allege.

So it was about Joe protecting his own ass. Got it!

Well, the consensus of political analysis is that this is pretty much a gift to DJT.

Even the most liberal of the liberal are going to hard pressed to scream about anything now out of the incoming DOJ.

1. Another lying human. Big deal. God's manufacturing defects.
2. Covered the potential influence pedaling re: Burismo and Joe himself. Not just protecting his son from two convictions, but rather more.
3. Now Trump can site Goose v. Gander when he pardons all he wants. Can't wait to hear the moaning of the gut shot when that happens

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Originally posted by theback40:
So it was about Joe protecting his own ass. Got it!

Exactly.

Come on Lane… the leftist apologists here are already saying this is different.

There is no way the left and the MSM won’t cry foul if and when Trump pardons anyone.

It’s politics and the media can’t let a chance to get their readers incensed and buy ads not be taken advantage of.

Heck, Harris still needs more donations…

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Well, the consensus of political analysis is that this is pretty much a gift to DJT.

Even the most liberal of the liberal are going to hard pressed to scream about anything now out of the incoming DOJ.