I find this piece, from this morning's Washington Post, encouraging. If Johnson can work across the aisle to accomplish the nation's business and not be held captive by Goetz and his Nazi terrorists, maybe there is hope.
I still can't figure out how a man who is seen as "a good Christian" could possibly have anything to do with traitor Trump and his lies to steal the election.


House Speaker Mike Johnson’s Louisiana hometown guided by faith and family

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske
October 29, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EDT

Newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) meets with Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese on Capitol Hill on Thursday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
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SHREVEPORT, La. — In this small town masquerading as a city, a mention of newly elected House Speaker Mike Johnson during the lunchtime rush at Strawn’s Eat Shop Too (“home of the ice box pie”) drew an interruption.

“Are you talking about Mike Johnson?” said a woman in a flowered blouse, gold-cross necklace and gray ponytail. “I’m his mom.”

Jeanne “Jee Jee” Johnson, 69, had been sharing a “celebration lunch” Thursday with her cousin here in the central Broadmoor neighborhood, pausing to greet fellow diners as her cellphone exploded with well wishes.

Johnson saw her son’s selection in spiritual terms. “God did this,” she said. “ … It’s so good for America.”

In northwest Louisiana, people navigate their lives by family and faith. The politician raised here shares a heavy reliance on both.

Mike Johnson, 51, is a staunch conservative who championed religious causes before he was elected to the state legislature in 2015 and to Congress the following year. Although more low-profile than other Donald Trump supporters in Congress, he played a pivotal role in efforts to overturn the 2020 election and opposes abortion rights, gun control and same-sex marriage, views shared by many supporters at home.

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In accepting the speakership last week, Johnson prayed on the House floor and said, “God is the one that raises up those in authority.” His wife, Kelly Lary Johnson, a pastoral counselor whose brother is a local Baptist minister, prayed for her husband for days leading up to his selection as speaker, both the new speaker and Jeanne Johnson said.

“It’s a cultural conservatism, a view not only of politics but of religion and faith,” said Royal Alexander, 56, a conservative lawyer, referring to what guides much of the community and Johnson, who he got to know after college. “People here are rugged individualists who want to make their own decisions.”

The Ark-La-Tex region in northwest Louisiana that includes Johnson’s hometown is full of historic Black and White churches, more like neighboring Arkansas, Texas and the rest of the Bible Belt than the rest of the state. It’s often overshadowed by flashier cities to the south: New Orleans and the state capital, Baton Rouge. The idea that one of its sons is now second in line to the presidency has been met with joyous surprise in many quarters. But views are mixed about whether his ascension will benefit all residents, who remain divided, like much of the country, along ideological and racial lines.


Residents call the metro area of about 760,000 Shreveport-Bossier, encompassing Shreveport — population 180,000, where Johnson was raised on the west bank of the Red River — and growing suburbs to the east in Bossier Parish, where the speaker now lives.

But there are vast distinctions between the two sides, the residue of disinvestment and white flight by families like Johnson’s.

The city proper is about 57% Black, 37% White and 3% Latino, according to the most recent census. Bossier Parish, home to about 130,000 people, is about 70% White, 24% Black, 7% Latino. Overall, Shreveport-Bossier’s median household income is about $48,600, below the national median of nearly $75,000. About 22% of Johnson’s district lives below the poverty level.


Celeste Gauthier, left, whose family owns Strawn’s Eat Shop Too restaurant in Shreveport, La., greets diners on Friday. (Molly Hennessy-Fiske/The Washington Post)
Like many cities in Louisiana, Shreveport is governed by Democrats and Bossier Parish is largely Republican; Republicans will control all three branches of state government once conservative Attorney General Jeff Landry, elected governor earlier this month, takes office in January.

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Shreveport-Bossier is culturally and physically closer to Dallas, a three-hour drive west, than New Orleans, five hours south. Its economy is dependent on oil and gas, making it vulnerable to booms and busts. But there are also glittering riverfront casinos, universities like Louisiana State Shreveport, hospitals and Barksdale Air Force Base, enough to lead many locals like Johnson to return.

Shreveport native Celeste Gauthier, 45, went away to Middlebury College in Vermont but returned to help her family run Strawn’s three restaurants, including its flagship in the city’s Highland Historic District and another in Bossier Parish. That’s become harder with pandemic lockdowns, rising costs and labor challenges, the mother of three said.

Over the summer, a pallet of strawberries to make the restaurant’s signature ice box pie more than doubled in price, she said. Gas and grocery prices rose, too.


“Politics here is personal. People really do look at the funding we’re sending to Israel and Ukraine and say, ‘I can’t afford to go to Kroger,’” Gauthier said as she sat amid the lunchtime crowd, some of whom she said had stopped buying beverages because of the cost.

“A lot of these customers know Mike Johnson and think we often get overlooked and maybe we won’t anymore,” she said.

Customer Beth Hayes, a retired registered nurse from Shreveport, said she was proud of Johnson and had high hopes for him as speaker.

A registered Democrat, Hayes, 83, said she has become more independent in recent years. She’s a Methodist who respects LGBTQ+ rights even though her church doesn’t allow same-sex marriage or ministers, feels conflicted about abortion and voted for Trump twice. She said she appreciated Johnson’s support for Trump’s fight to overturn the 2020 election, but believes Biden ultimately won. She called the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol “the worst thing I have ever seen in my life” and said she isn’t sure who she will vote for in 2024.


“We need to stand up for our rights, but we can do it in a more civilized manner” than Trump does, Hayes said. She hopes Johnson will be able to do that, by working with Democrats.


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State Rep. Alan Seabaugh (R), who served with Johnson and flew to Washington to celebrate with him this week, described Johnson as a consensus builder.

“He’s not going to compromise his values, but he will try to find common ground and work it out without it being personal,” Seabaugh said, just as he has at home.

At a town hall over the summer in Natchitoches, La., Seabaugh said, a man grew upset with Johnson and appeared to be “trying to incite him,” agitated enough that sheriff’s deputies offered to intervene.

“Mike just waved them off and said, ‘I got this,’” Seabaugh recalled. “By the time it was over, the guy was completely mollified and walked up and shook Mike’s hand. Mike just does that.”


Newly elected House Speaker Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.) take the oath of office and the gavel at the U.S. Capitol on Oct. 25. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Johnson began leading as a child, his mother said. Jeanne Johnson recalled when her husband, a firefighter, was disabled after fighting an industrial fire that killed a colleague. She said Mike, the eldest of her four children, stepped up to help with chores. He was 12 years old.


“He took on the leadership of the family,” she said.

At the nearby high school Johnson attended — Captain Shreve, named for the steamboat captain who inspired the city’s name — a video screen at the entrance flashed a tribute to Johnson, class of 1990, as the 1,800 students prepared for a pep rally.

Counselor Rosemary Day, whose children Johnson’s mother used to babysit, said his success was encouraging for young people growing up in this often overlooked region of a small state.

“Leadership can be developed — that’s the mind-set in this area,” she said as students flowed around her toting paper gators, the school mascot.

To the east in Bossier Parish, several sheriff’s deputies guarded the Johnson family’s stucco and brick two-story home. It’s the kind of neighborhood where neighbors left garage doors open last week even when they were not home.


Republican Tina Hickey, 68, a retired nurse, lives up the street from Johnson in a house with flags out front — U.S. and LSU, Johnson’s alma mater. She said she has met Johnson at a few political events and was thrilled to see such an “honest, transparent, Christian man” elected speaker. Hickey worries about crime, particularly across the bridge in Shreveport, where she doesn’t venture at night anymore.

Hickey attends St. Jude Catholic Church across the street from Johnson’s church, Cypress Baptist. She said she believes the speaker can be trusted because of his humble roots.

“I don’t feel he’s part of the good ol’ boy network,” she said, noting she also voted for Landry. “I’m hoping with the combination of the two, Louisiana politics are going to improve. Historically, Louisiana politics have been kind of crooked.”


Others here have their doubts, particularly in Shreveport’s mostly Black and low-income Mooretown neighborhood.

“He was a part of that exodus from Shreveport; he didn’t stay and make the community better and as a congressman, he has done little to make the community better,” said the Rev. Theron Jackson, the Black pastor of 94-year-old Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church.

A former Shreveport city council member, Jackson, 54, was once a Democrat but said he now considers himself an independent. He’s working to counter homelessness and what he calls “trans-generational poverty” that dates to segregation.

While Black leaders scored victories in Shreveport during the Civil Rights era, hosting the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. for seminars on nonviolent protest, he said, “The fact that you have to fight for folks to be civil, that says something. If that’s our only accomplishment, we have to say ‘Is that all?’ Because that’s not all that life’s about. The best cities in the world give opportunities for people to thrive, not just survive.”

Earlier this year, Jackson traveled to Baton Rouge to lobby for changes to Louisiana’s congressional districts — only one of six is a majority Black district despite a state population that is more than 30% Black. Last month, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a request to speed up redrawing the districts after a federal judge found the latest map still dilutes the strength of Black voters.

“When you become speaker of the house, that’s supposed to mean a lot more for your district and your state. The question is, what is that going to mean for us?” Jackson said. “It may mean more for those who have already benefited from his presence, but certainly not all of us.”

Orlandeaux’s Café, run by the same family since 1921, has been a mainstay of Shreveport’s Black community, a popular spot for Democrats to declare their candidacy.

As security guard Jesse Lee, 72, lined up for takeout stuffed shrimp Friday at the bar overlooking Cross Lake, he said his top concerns were the economy, crime, and “looking out for the needy.”

Lee, a Democrat and U.S. Air Force veteran who is Black, agreed with Jackson that more needs to be done to help “the welfare of the city.” He’s been following Johnson’s career and is waiting to see whether he takes action as speaker to help all of those back home.

“I think he will. Our state of Louisiana has been so divided for so long, it’s about time we come together,” Lee said. “Because we all serve the same God.”

It is not just his association with Trump that is troublesome, but rather his own personal efforts to overthrow a legitimate election. Johnson is every bit as guilty in my mind, if not more so than those charged with sedation. He is in no way a good Christian, despite his claims(I find that quite often the case with those who just have to tell you that they are good Christians).

Personally, I hold out little hope that he will be anything other than another MAGA turd, at least it looks that way to me.

He is a Christian Nationalist who thinks the Bible should take precedence over the Constitution in governing the affairs of the Country. Christian Nationalists will use anybody who advances their agenda, even Trump. He gave them Supreme Court Justices in exchange for votes.

I am surprised by the pick but pleasantly. He got 220 votes with the only GOP Rep not voting being absent.

He has my support.

Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

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Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact and not have to resort to personal attacks like you and your liberal brethren.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact and not have to resort to personal attacks like you and your liberal brethren.

You can't even grasp the simple logic that while your religion may tell you what to do it can never, under our Constitution, tell me what to do.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact and not have to resort to personal attacks like you and your liberal brethren.

Lane,
I have been looking for that part in the scripture where Jesus endorses Lying, cheating, fraud, sedation, adulatory and more as long as it forwards your political goals, could you point me to that section?

It is so hard to understand why church participation is down and those that have recently left the Church sight hypocrisy as the reason. A total mystery, you know what I mean?

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact and not have to resort to personal attacks like you and your liberal brethren.

Lane,
I have been looking for that part in the scripture where Jesus endorses Lying, cheating, fraud, sedation, adulatory and more as long as it forwards your political goals, could you point me to that section?

It is so hard to understand why church participation is down and those that have recently left the Church sight hypocrisy as the reason. A total mystery, you know what I mean?

I think that's in Trump's favorite verse, 2 Corinthians.

Johnson is an election denier. One of the primary architects of all the baseless lawsuits challenging the legitimacy of the to 2020 election. He is a seditionist. And, the choice of the republicans to be the Speaker of the House of the United States Representatives.

More republican shamelessness. Shitbirds.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact and not have to resort to personal attacks like you and your liberal brethren.

Lane,
I have been looking for that part in the scripture where Jesus endorses Lying, cheating, fraud, sedation, adulatory and more as long as it forwards your political goals, could you point me to that section?

It is so hard to understand why church participation is down and those that have recently left the Church sight hypocrisy as the reason. A total mystery, you know what I mean?

If you can’t work through all the above…you had better not even participate in any election. Politicians of all walks are rife with every sin you mention. That said…we are all sinners and all sinners can achieve salvation simply for the asking and believing in sincerity.

In plainer words if you studied and understood…you wouldn’t ask stupid questions.

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

That versus does not fix your problem.

Nor dies your rationale explain away sedition.

No President has ever failed to oversee a peaceful transition of power except for Buchanan. S. Carolina succeeded, rebelled, bf Lincoln was sworn it.

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That versus does not fix your problem.

Nor dies your rationale explain away sedition.

No President has ever failed to oversee a peaceful transition of power except for Buchanan. S. Carolina succeeded, rebelled, bf Lincoln was sworn it.

Your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Suffice it to say I disagree.

As to sedition when Trump is convicted of sedition…get back with me.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact and not have to resort to personal attacks like you and your liberal brethren.

Lane,
I have been looking for that part in the scripture where Jesus endorses Lying, cheating, fraud, sedation, adulatory and more as long as it forwards your political goals, could you point me to that section?

It is so hard to understand why church participation is down and those that have recently left the Church sight hypocrisy as the reason. A total mystery, you know what I mean?

If you can’t work through all the above…you had better not even participate in any election. Politicians of all walks are rife with every sin you mention. That said…we are all sinners and all sinners can achieve salvation simply for the asking and believing in sincerity.

In plainer words if you studied and understood…you wouldn’t ask stupid questions.

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Your hypocrisy could not run much deeper.

I think it is a very valid question.

Show me where Jesus condones the above behavior in order to achieve political gain. He does not. Your rational is anything but Christian.

Jesus said that in response to a question about paying Taxes. Jesus position on the corrupt Sadducees selected by Rome w political agreement w Rome is well documented. Hence, the Sadducees sought the death of Jesus fearing he would lead a popular revolt against this power order established by the Sadducee’s and Rome.

There were legitimate theological differences as the Sadducees denied resurrection.

Your are either not well informed or intentionally obscure the truth for your hypocrisy.

Jesus does not condone this behavior. He expressly rejected it numerous times of his class, Jews. He was killed for it.

These debates have been very enlightening to me this last 10 months. It has shown people for what they are, whose side they are own. I not on Dr. Easter’s side. As long as the GOP is controlled by such on the far right. It will remain a minority party. A effective 4 vote majority in the House (NY guy is all bout gone) with 18 coming from district’s President Biden won, does not change that.

To paraphrase a quote Kingdom of Heaven’s Lord Blaine, (he might as well have been fictional on that film only the name is the same and he did defend Jerusalem) “Dr. Easter has thought me a lot about his religion.”

It was just a compliment in the film.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
Of course he does, you are a Trumper, a Christian Nationalist and refuse to condemn the attempt at stealing a legitimate election.

No shock there Lane. Your "morals" are on full display once again. The late night televangelists must have been running another sale, a spot in heaven and a full set of good Christian morals, three easy payments of $19.99.

At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact and not have to resort to personal attacks like you and your liberal brethren.

Lane,
I have been looking for that part in the scripture where Jesus endorses Lying, cheating, fraud, sedation, adulatory and more as long as it forwards your political goals, could you point me to that section?

It is so hard to understand why church participation is down and those that have recently left the Church sight hypocrisy as the reason. A total mystery, you know what I mean?

If you can’t work through all the above…you had better not even participate in any election. Politicians of all walks are rife with every sin you mention. That said…we are all sinners and all sinners can achieve salvation simply for the asking and believing in sincerity.

In plainer words if you studied and understood…you wouldn’t ask stupid questions.

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Your hypocrisy could not run much deeper.

I think it is a very valid question.

Show me where Jesus condones the above behavior in order to achieve political gain. He does not. Your rational is anything but Christian.

Jesus condones NO sin. But also challenged: “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone.”

The problem with Steve’s theory is that one must assume the opposition to be pure as driven snow.

The rest of us live in reality.

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To paraphrase a quote Kingdom of Heaven’s Lord Blaine, (he might as well have been fictional on that film only the name is the same and he did defend Jerusalem) “Dr. Easter has thought me a lot about his religion.”

Now of so!some could just teach you english.....

No you don’t. You have to assume a President will not try to undermine the Constitution to stay in power after being defeated.

You have to assume those who say they vote their religion do not lie about it. As you have said, you vote your religion. Well, President Trump is both a person who tried, actually did, try to stay in power after a due election; he intentionally instigated a non- peaceful transition of power; and he failed in his role as C&C to defend our Congress, our election, and our Constitution.

He even called for the suspension of the Constitution with his immediate reinstatement. If a DEM has did any of those, you would be the first calling for 2nd Amendment remedies.

I can already hear how Dr. Eater would attempt to rationalize President Trump’s call to suspend the Constitution. “He does not really mean it. He really does not know what he is inferring or saying. He claim made in false bravado is harmless.”

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To paraphrase a quote Kingdom of Heaven’s Lord Blaine, (he might as well have been fictional on that film only the name is the same and he did defend Jerusalem) “Dr. Easter has thought me a lot about his religion.”

Now of so!some could just teach you english.....

That is punctuated correctly accept the portion in paraphrases. You do not want your post edited.

When was the last time we had a Speaker about whom so little was known?

I have a feeling we'll be learning a lot soon.

Why did his wife not attend the culmination of his political career so far? She was tired from praying?

How does a 25-year-old single white man "adopt" a 14-year-old black kid without any paperwork?

As a part of this "ministry"?

The man has closets...

For example, read this refresher on the sex abuse within the Southern Baptist Church and the cover-up the leaders engaged in for years...

Link

Then consider that the Speaker served on the SBC's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission from 2004 to 2012, the exact years of the cover-up.

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The problem with Steve’s theory is that one must assume the opposition to be pure as driven snow.

The rest of us live in reality.

I assume nobody is pure as the driven snow. I also refuse to support a liar, a cheater, an adulterer, and a seditionist. I do not need a conviction to see right from wrong, I have witnessed Trump's behavior and heard him on the "perfect phone call" doing everything in his power to steal the election. Policy be damned, that piece of shit is not fit for office.

All of your attempts at rationalizing his behavior show that YOU lack morals.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The problem with Steve’s theory is that one must assume the opposition to be pure as driven snow.

The rest of us live in reality.

I assume nobody is pure as the driven snow. I also refuse to support a liar, a cheater, an adulterer, and……

I hope you don’t vote. Otherwise, that would make you a liar and a hypocrite.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The problem with Steve’s theory is that one must assume the opposition to be pure as driven snow.

The rest of us live in reality.

I assume nobody is pure as the driven snow. I also refuse to support a liar, a cheater, an adulterer, and……

I hope you don’t vote. Otherwise, that would make you a liar and a hypocrite.

I'm still waiting for the "evidence" on Biden, the GOP has been saying they have it for 5 years but nothing so far.

I'll vote, I have to do everything that I can to counter those of you in the cult of personality that support that trash known as Trump.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The problem with Steve’s theory is that one must assume the opposition to be pure as driven snow.

The rest of us live in reality.

I assume nobody is pure as the driven snow. I also refuse to support a liar, a cheater, an adulterer, and……

I hope you don’t vote. Otherwise, that would make you a liar and a hypocrite.

I'm still waiting for the "evidence" on Biden, the GOP has been saying they have it for 5 years but nothing so far.

I'll vote, I have to do everything that I can to counter those of you in the cult of personality that support that trash known as Trump.

If you commonly vote in elections…you have supported liars, cheaters, and adulterers.

Agreed all the above should be minimized…that is the purpose of the Primaries.

I do not vote for seditionists, people who try to undermine our constitution and steal elections.

You fully support them, as long as it forwards your political goals.

The lying, cheating and adulterous behavior is just icing on the top of the sedation in Trumps case. A more amoral man has never held office, yet he has full throated support of good Christians such as yourself. My, my does the hypocrisy run deep.

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Originally posted by skb:
I do not vote for seditionists, people who try to undermine our constitution and steal elections.

You fully support them, as long as it forwards your political goals.

The lying, cheating and adulterous behavior is just icing on the top of the sedation in Trumps case.

A more amoral man has never held office,
And you know that how?

yet he has full throated support of good Christians such as yourself.

I support the GOP candidate and will vote for someone else in the Primary.

My, my does the hypocrisy run deep.

But I don’t buy into sedition with you and your liberal brethren.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
I do not vote for seditionists, people who try to undermine our constitution and steal elections.

You fully support them, as long as it forwards your political goals.

The lying, cheating and adulterous behavior is just icing on the top of the sedation in Trumps case.

A more amoral man has never held office,
And you know that how?

Simple, Trump is the only man to attempt to steal an election and undermine our constitution in such a blatant way.

yet he has full throated support of good Christians such as yourself.

I support the GOP candidate and will vote for someone else in the Primary. But you will still vote for someone who is not fit for office and behaves in a manner completely contradictory to the teachings of Jesus, as long as it forwards your political goals. You lack morals.

My, my does the hypocrisy run deep.

But I don’t buy into sedition with you and your liberal brethren.

Of course you don't, the evidence could not be stronger, we have all seen the videos and heard the phone call, but yet you can't condemn the attempted theft of a legitimate election, because you and your conservative brethren are fine with amoral behavior, as long as it forwards your political goals. YOU are amoral, just like Trump.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skb:
I do not vote for seditionists, people who try to undermine our constitution and steal elections.

You fully support them, as long as it forwards your political goals.

The lying, cheating and adulterous behavior is just icing on the top of the sedation in Trumps case.

A more amoral man has never held office,
And you know that how?

yet he has full throated support of good Christians such as yourself.

I support the GOP candidate and will vote for someone else in the Primary.

My, my does the hypocrisy run deep.

But I don’t buy into sedition with you and your liberal brethren.

At this point I am fine saying President Trump was not engaged in sedition.

Still does not change the fact he declared the election illegitimate with knowledge it was legitimate. He called for the mob at the Capital. He gave VP Pence an unconstitutional directive to decertify the election, mused that hanging VP Pence was the right idea. He failed to use his power as C&C to put down the attack at the Capitol. Power he used against Antifia and BLM.

Not to mention, President Trump called for the suspension of the Constitution, and his immediate reinstatement.

From the Oxford dictionary.

Sedition:conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.



To me, Trump could not be more guilty. I saw the videos, I have seen the transcripts of his phone calls.

What else would he have had to do to be guilty to you?

I have no issue with that. I am just merely identifying that President Trump has not been charged or convicted of actual sedition.

Notwithstanding sedition, there is plenty to reject him as a candidate.

Our country is a product of sedition
We are all guilty at times to call our leaders in question and at times would love to get rid of them
Protests go on all the time in cities, states, campuses and main streets
It is inherently a human nature to disagree with things we don’t like
Judicial branch is the one that makes the decision what is and what is not

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Our country is a product of sedition
We are all guilty at times to call our leaders in question and at times would love to get rid of them
Protests go on all the time in cities, states, campuses and main streets
It is inherently a human nature to disagree with things we don’t like
Judicial branch is the one that makes the decision what is and what is not

Protests are not sedition you fool. We have constitutional right to protest, we do not have a right to attempt to steal a legitimate election.

Moron

Bivoj,
You have to take it slowly with Steve and spell things out in a very elementary manner. Regardless, he will always hurl a insult to prove he struggles with factual debate.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Bivoj,
You have to take it slowly with Steve and spell things out in a very elementary manner. Regardless, he will always hurl a insult to prove he struggles with factual debate.

Says the completely amoral "good Christian"

Shame that you lack any sense of patriotism as well as morals Lane.

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by Bivoj:
Our country is a product of sedition
We are all guilty at times to call our leaders in question and at times would love to get rid of them
Protests go on all the time in cities, states, campuses and main streets
It is inherently a human nature to disagree with things we don’t like
Judicial branch is the one that makes the decision what is and what is not

Protests are not sedition you fool. We have constitutional right to protest, we do not have a right to attempt to steal a legitimate election.

Moron

Well, those protesters have been sentenced to felonies including Seditious Conspiracy motive d by President Trump per their own defense.

I’m not defending anyone, just pointing to selective punishments when convenient

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Bivoj,
You have to take it slowly with Steve and spell things out in a very elementary manner. Regardless, he will always hurl a insult to prove he struggles with factual debate.

Says the completely amoral "good Christian"

Shame that you lack any sense of patriotism as well as morals Lane.

Now you being little too accusatory?

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Originally posted by Bivoj:

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Bivoj,
You have to take it slowly with Steve and spell things out in a very elementary manner. Regardless, he will always hurl a insult to prove he struggles with factual debate.

Says the completely amoral "good Christian"

Shame that you lack any sense of patriotism as well as morals Lane.

Now you being little too accusatory?

Really? You must have missed the hours of video and the convictions of those involved in trying to undermine a legitimate election.

Hard to believe that you morons continue to downplay the gravity of what occurred that day. Completely amoral and lacking any sense of patriotism.

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At least I can debate in the form of logic and fact

Lost me right there; "logic" and "fact". You have never debated using copious amounts of either. You believe in what you believe and no one is going to convince you that you are wrong, because you are all-knowing. You believe in yourself like you are the Wizard of Oz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of8f7Kj1yiE with similar logic and facts to back you up.

I don't like Bill Maher, but I think he has a good understanding of Mike Johnson. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6340047985112