Bloody hell! What next? Will we be forced to become QUEER!

Hahaha!

Biden or Trump?

What an absolute disaster of a country!

Hahahaha!

This began with the presidency of FDR here in the 30s. It gathered major traction in the 60s, the educational system infiltration began then as well, the move to secularism gained speed, and the flower really began to bloom under Obama. And here we are, a dying nation.

Yeah.....well...IL take trump over this total idiot we have in the Whitehouse now!

You cannot dispute President Trump has an obligation to oversee a peaceful transition of power. You cannot dispute that as Commander in Chief with exclusive jurisdiction over the DC Guard he did nothing to stop the assault in Congress meant to keep him in power. You cannot dispute that the lies of stolen election are in fact lies proven in Court (Fox lost Summary Judgment a legal determination they lied). You cannot dispute President Trump tried ti pressure GA republicans to find more votes. You cannot dispute President Trump instigated Jan 5 with his lies about stolen election.

Do you wish Jan 6 had succeeded in keeping President Trump in power?

Now, since you cannot dispute those statements factually. You will say something non responsive, irrelevant, and stupid.

I see the emperor still clings to the president has exclusive power of the guard.
For ages now, that power was delegated to the Sec of the army for the DC guard.
The DC mayor was in touch with them early on, but with the usual FU's, it took to much time. The Mayor wanted to wait and see what and where the DC cops were. By the time everything has to go through police chiefs, mayors people and the Sec, it was to late to stop it.

TB40,
Joshua has his narrative and mission. Facts cannot get in his way.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Yeah.....well...IL take trump over this total idiot we have in the Whitehouse now!

While I am not going to vote for him in the Primary…he (Trump) damn sure can count on my vote in the General if he should be the nominee…along with all the sane people’s. Hell, after the last 2.25 years, I think many of the loons (D’s) will flip.

He blathers on about being correct all the time.
The house had hearings on the matter. It ended up with the DC police chief stepping down as a fuck-up, for not properly following policy needed to get the guard there. Yet he wants to spew the same old shit instead of the truth.

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Originally posted by theback40:
He blathers on about being correct all the time.
The house had hearings on the matter. It ended up with the DC police chief stepping down as a fuck-up, for not properly following policy needed to get the guard there. Yet he wants to spew the same old shit instead of the truth.

TDS is a powerful religion.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You cannot dispute President Trump has an obligation to oversee a peaceful transition of power. You cannot dispute that as Commander in Chief with exclusive jurisdiction over the DC Guard he did nothing to stop the assault in Congress meant to keep him in power. You cannot dispute that the lies of stolen election are in fact lies proven in Court (Fox lost Summary Judgment a legal determination they lied). You cannot dispute President Trump tried ti pressure GA republicans to find more votes. You cannot dispute President Trump instigated Jan 5 with his lies about stolen election.

Do you wish Jan 6 had succeeded in keeping President Trump in power?

Now, since you cannot dispute those statements factually. You will say something non responsive, irrelevant, and stupid.

I cannot dispute that you are an idiot wokester emoting about everything.

Loosen up the man bun!

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Originally posted by theback40:
He blathers on about being correct all the time.
The house had hearings on the matter. It ended up with the DC police chief stepping down as a fuck-up, for not properly following policy needed to get the guard there. Yet he wants to spew the same old shit instead of the truth.

A flagrant sign of an immature mind......


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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Yeah.....well...IL take trump over this total idiot we have in the Whitehouse now!

While I am not going to vote for him in the Primary…he (Trump) damn sure can count on my vote in the General if he should be the nominee…along with all the sane people’s. Hell, after the last 2.25 years, I think many of the loons (D’s) will flip.

Sure.

Loons are anyone who would engage in telling the American people the election was stolen knowing it was not.

Loons are people who tell us how faithful they are and they vote their faith while telling us they will vote for President Trump.

Lions are the ones who have learned nothing from the last 3 election cycles while sending money to the Hershel Walkers of the world.

Loons are the ones who tell us Dems only won bc of statistical anomalies; ignoring the lost the next election cycles.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I see the emperor still clings to the president has exclusive power of the guard.
For ages now, that power was delegated to the Sec of the army for the DC guard.
The DC mayor was in touch with them early on, but with the usual FU's, it took to much time. The Mayor wanted to wait and see what and where the DC cops were. By the time everything has to go through police chiefs, mayors people and the Sec, it was to late to stop it.

Again, and it is true, President Trump had control of the DC Guard on Jan 6. He activities on BLM.

Here is a city on for my proposition on who controls the DC Guard.

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

https://www.brennancenter.org/...ing-dc-chain-command

Primary Source bring the Fed law making DC Guard deployable by the President.

https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/...sections/49-409.html

The DC Guard is in direct command of the President. President Trumps is the man who has the authority (not the Mayor and not the Speaker) to deploy it to stop violence designed to keep him on power. He failed that obligation. He should never be president again.

Loons blame others fur President Trump’s failure in transitioning power in a peaceful manner.

The DC Mayor has no stroke, not a gnats eye lash, over deployment of the DC Guard. She has called for Fed legislation curbing that power from President to her as mayor in wake of Jan 6. Congress has not acted. A bill passed the house, but failed in the Senate to transfer control from President to Mayor.

Source

https://www.brennancenter.org/...-not-president-trump


https://www.wusa9.com/amp/arti...17-bff4-b6c8e3aeb1c9

You are very mistaken.

Go home. Demonstrate peacefully. Sounds like a call to riot to me. Where's the stink from you, Heym about J6 protestors still rotting in jail?

They are convicted or await trial where they deserve to be.

Loon.

Refute that President Trumps did not have the pier to reply the DC Guard. You can’t.

You believe the election was stolen, and President Trump is the rightful President.

You are lost.

You got to fight like Hell.

I will be with you.

The election was stolen.

Pence do the right thing.

Maybe they are right (when heard of the Hsng Mike Pence chants).

When the Capital and Congress is attacked, the President must use all his power to put down the violence.

President Trump failed. It is not a policy question.

Are you being dense?
Did you read or watch the hearings?
The guard was delegated decades ago just as I said. The dc police, and the mayor were in a debate as to where and when they wanted the guards to be, as was the way it was set up. They, the chief and mayor did not want them overlapping and took way to long co-ordinating. They had the right to do that.
If you think the Dem controlled house would have cut Trump any breaks, you are nuts. They only came up with, there should have been a smoother deployment.
You are simply pulling shit out of your ass with "only Trump can deploy the Guards"

I took two seconds and found again where the power to deploy the guard was delegated from the President, and has been. Find some better sources Heym, you look stupid.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I took two seconds and found again where the power to deploy the guard was delegated from the President, and has been. Find some better sources Heym, you look stupid.

Are you saying that the president did not have the power to deploy the guard?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
They are convicted or await trial where they deserve to be.

Loon.

Refute that President Trumps did not have the pier to reply the DC Guard. You can’t.

You believe the election was stolen, and President Trump is the rightful President.

You are lost.

You got to fight like Hell.

I will be with you.

The election was stolen.

Pence do the right thing.

Maybe they are right (when heard of the Hsng Mike Pence chants).

When the Capital and Congress is attacked, the President must use all his power to put down the violence.

President Trump failed. It is not a policy question.

Really? Reports of failing to provide access to counsel, substandard conditions, and for what again? Trespassing on public property.

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Really? Reports of failing to provide access to counsel, substandard conditions, and for what again? Trespassing on public property.

This is a good example of why I don't become a Republican. They LIE.

It's a LIE to say the January 6 insurgents were only guilty of trespassing. The charges they were convicted of or pleaded to include assault on police officers, assault with a dangerous weapon, riot, civil disorder for the purpose of overturning a democratic election, obstruction of Congress's election certification, possession of unregistered weapons, obstruction of an official proceeding, committing physical violence on Capitol grounds, theft of government property, and other crimes. They had in their possession handguns, rifles, shotguns, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, and gas-filled Mason jars used to make napalm.

https://time.com/6133336/jan-6...t-arrests-sentences/

Nevertheless, Republicans repeat the lie--knowing that some followers will believe it.

Trump could and should have deployed the guard.

However, "usually" it is done through channels. The bureaucracy didn't think this could happen. DC police didn't want waves of military folks present during their victory lap given their disdain for all things law and order, and didn't realize things were getting out of hand until too late.

Trump could and should have deployed the guard to ensure law and order. OTOH, if he had, the Bidens would have been blaming the overt military presence as to why no one showed up for his inauguration. He would have blamed Trump for having them out in the first place, and all the talking heads would have agreed because nothing would have happened then.

There should have been more police presence and they should not have let the protesters in. After they did, given the lack of wholesale violence, they probably took the best course open to them.

The election was changed by a massive change in the rules under which it was conducted. Doesn't mean they changed votes or such.

Trump's problem is that it was his job to see that it was carried out. He disliked how it was done? Then maybe he should have done something in the first place.

As to the folks sitting in jail still, I agree that our legal system has gotten too sclerotic to deal with anything in anything approaching a timely matter. That there are folks still in jail awaiting trial 2 years later is absurd.

If bail is for ensuring that the folks show up for trial, I'm not sure that our holding these folks is reasonable. Holding them just because you are "investigating" possible charges seems...odd. Are they a risk for violence?

Rolland,
The way I read/heard it.
Trump could call the Sec of the Army to deploy. But, they still have to co-ordinate through the mayor and the chief of police, so it's not a cluster fluck.
As all this was being done anyway, what good does Trump telling them too?
This was all set up, so if a president was tied up with other issues, things would still move forward.
This was all covered in the house hearings on the subject. The weak link proved to be how slow the police chief got back to the mayor with what she wanted, then relayed to the Sec of the army who in turn gave the orders to the guard of where they wanted them, and where the dc police would be.

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Originally posted by bluefish:


Really? Reports of failing to provide access to counsel, substandard conditions, and for what again? Trespassing on public property.

B, with consideration of our friendship, ( such as it is,)
Every protestor pushing over and past a barricade that day should have been shot. Every protestor going thru a broken down window or door should have been shot. The guy with his feet on Pelosis desk should have been riddled with bullets.

There's a couple things you don't get away with; messing with my kid, kicking my bird dog and betraying my nation.

Were I a capitol cop on January 6th I'd find it easy and comfortable to explain how and why I ran out of the ammunition I carried and was borrowing from my co workers when the invaders finally retreated.

Ashley Babbitt should have been among dozens of others fatally repulsed.

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Trump could and should have deployed the guard to ensure law and order. OTOH, if he had, the Bidens would have been blaming the overt military presence as to why no one showed up for his inauguration. He would have blamed Trump for having them out in the first place, and all the talking heads would have agreed because nothing would have happened then.

One problem with that bit of fiction is that Biden's inauguration didn't occur until January 20, two weeks after the riot.

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As to the folks sitting in jail still, I agree that our legal system has gotten too sclerotic to deal with anything in anything approaching a timely matter. That there are folks still in jail awaiting trial 2 years later is absurd.

If bail is for ensuring that the folks show up for trial, I'm not sure that our holding these folks is reasonable. Holding them just because you are "investigating" possible charges seems...odd. Are they a risk for violence?

I agree that two years is not a speedy or timely trial. But we don't know why it's taking so long or which party might be responsible for delays.

I don't think they're detaining anyone on mere suspicion or while they're investigating. I'm the wrong guy to opine on criminal law, but my understanding is that they can only detain someone for a few days, without indictment and arrest.

Here's a question for you, Doc, and anyone else who chooses to bite: Why hasn't Trump spent a little of his vast wealth and donations to help his January 6 supporters make bail?

You mean like how Harris was involved setting up bail for Antifa and BLM "peaceful protestors" in the summer of '20?

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Originally posted by bluefish:
You mean like how Harris was involved setting up bail for Antifa and BLM "peaceful protestors" in the summer of '20?

I bet this is the reason she got yo be NUMBER TWO!



Next NUMBER TWO?

Bloody hell!

UGLY doesn’t even come close to describing how this bloody freak looks!

I hope I never see cousin It trying to go into the same women's restroom as my young daughter.

Because they are viewed as useful idiots by Trump… kind of like he views his donors…

I had some respect for his position early on when he said he would only use his own money.

That changed rapidly.

Plenty of crap on Trump. I just get perturbed by the folks who invent crap (on both sides).

AFAIC Obama left plenty of ground to attack him on policy. No need to make crap up about the man.

And Obama was worlds better than either of the last two.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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As to the folks sitting in jail still, I agree that our legal system has gotten too sclerotic to deal with anything in anything approaching a timely matter. That there are folks still in jail awaiting trial 2 years later is absurd.

If bail is for ensuring that the folks show up for trial, I'm not sure that our holding these folks is reasonable. Holding them just because you are "investigating" possible charges seems...odd. Are they a risk for violence?

I agree that two years is not a speedy or timely trial. But we don't know why it's taking so long or which party might be responsible for delays.

I don't think they're detaining anyone on mere suspicion or while they're investigating. I'm the wrong guy to opine on criminal law, but my understanding is that they can only detain someone for a few days, without indictment and arrest.

Here's a question for you, Doc, and anyone else who chooses to bite: Why hasn't Trump spent a little of his vast wealth and donations to help his January 6 supporters make bail?

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AFAIC Obama left plenty of ground to attack him on policy. No need to make crap up about the man.

Exactly! I'll never understand why Republicans didn't just attack and counter Obama's policies. As you say, there was plenty of ground. Instead Reps attacked Obama personally with made-up controversies.

The best example is the invented issue over Obama's birth certificate, which first cued me into what kind of a man Trump is.