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11 September 2025, 16:52
dogcat9/11
Remembering this horrific attack on the USA, led and conducted by Saudi nationals. Also remembering the Marine barracks in Beirut, and the USS Cole and Oct 7 in Israel. Also the subway in Spain, stabbings across Europe and all the way back to the 1972 Munich Olympic slaughterhouse…. So much for peaceful religion…
Seems there is a common denominator in each of these as well as other hate/Satanic fueled religious attacks.
Of course, we in the USA need to clean up our own mess and quit meddling where we do not belong. I just don’t understand why hate drives our actions. The Bible is clear -
James 4:1-10 - we want what we don’t have and then kill to get it (my paraphrase)
James was Jesus half brother and was killed by those who saw this poor Jewish Christian as a threat….
No idea how to stop this other than a return to a God that tells us to love Him and others as ourselves…
11 September 2025, 17:50
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Remembering this horrific attack on the USA, led and conducted by Saudi nationals. Also remembering the Marine barracks in Beirut, and the USS Cole and Oct 7 in Israel. Also the subway in Spain, stabbings across Europe and all the way back to the 1972 Munich Olympic slaughterhouse…. So much for peaceful religion…
Seems there is a common denominator in each of these as well as other hate/Satanic fueled religious attacks.
Of course, we in the USA need to clean up our own mess and quit meddling where we do not belong. I just don’t understand why hate drives our actions. The Bible is clear -
James 4:1-10 - we want what we don’t have and then kill to get it (my paraphrase)
James was Jesus half brother and was killed by those who saw this poor Jewish Christian as a threat….
No idea how to stop this other than a return to a God that tells us to love Him and others as ourselves…
Most atrocities are committed in the name of religion!
11 September 2025, 19:01
JTEXquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Remembering this horrific attack on the USA, led and conducted by Saudi nationals. Also remembering the Marine barracks in Beirut, and the USS Cole and Oct 7 in Israel. Also the subway in Spain, stabbings across Europe and all the way back to the 1972 Munich Olympic slaughterhouse…. So much for peaceful religion…
Seems there is a common denominator in each of these as well as other hate/Satanic fueled religious attacks.
Of course, we in the USA need to clean up our own mess and quit meddling where we do not belong. I just don’t understand why hate drives our actions. The Bible is clear -
James 4:1-10 - we want what we don’t have and then kill to get it (my paraphrase)
James was Jesus half brother and was killed by those who saw this poor Jewish Christian as a threat….
No idea how to stop this other than a return to a God that tells us to love Him and others as ourselves…
Most atrocities are committed in the name of religion!
I respectfully disagree.
Most atrocities are committed because of greed, A lot of that greed is covered up,by religion.....
11 September 2025, 19:03
MJines. . . and yet we turn a blind eye to what is happening in Gaza. Hate seems to be a one-way street. It is okay to hate certain groups, races, religions while giving other groups, races, religions a pass. Irrational not to recognize that hate is two-way street that needs to be closed.
Mike
11 September 2025, 19:05
JTEXquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and yet we turn a blind eye to what is happening in Gaza. Hate seems to be a one-way street. It is okay to hate certain groups, races, religions while giving other groups, races, religions a pass. Irrational not to recognize that hate is two-way street that needs to be closed.
I don't turn a blind eye. Release the prisoners.
11 September 2025, 19:11
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and yet we turn a blind eye to what is happening in Gaza. Hate seems to be a one-way street. It is okay to hate certain groups, races, religions while giving other groups, races, religions a pass. Irrational not to recognize that hate is two-way street that needs to be closed.
I don't turn a blind eye. Release the prisoners.
Leave Occupied Palestine!
11 September 2025, 19:26
medvedsome of us still remember who trained and funded the man that started 9/11 ... but it is not the day to forget about all the sympathies and supports you received from all over the world ... and of course your country has to think that the next time it is happening the outcome might not be the same.
still cannot get it that most of the terrorists came from one country and you did not take actions against that ...
11 September 2025, 22:31
dogcatquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and yet we turn a blind eye to what is happening in Gaza. Hate seems to be a one-way street. It is okay to hate certain groups, races, religions while giving other groups, races, religions a pass. Irrational not to recognize that hate is two-way street that needs to be closed.
I don't turn a blind eye. Release the prisoners.
Leave Occupied Palestine!
It is occupied by Israel, as it should be. The Palestinians are the squatters. They have no claim in the land and have never had.
Why won't the rest of the arab world take a single one of them???
The reason is obvious if you choose to see it.
11 September 2025, 23:02
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and yet we turn a blind eye to what is happening in Gaza. Hate seems to be a one-way street. It is okay to hate certain groups, races, religions while giving other groups, races, religions a pass. Irrational not to recognize that hate is two-way street that needs to be closed.
And yet we turn a blind eye to what happened on October 7th.
However, I will agree that it has gone too far and BB needs to back the fuck off. I hold no illusion that he is a nice guy.
That said, If you had missiles and rockets, raining down on you and your family daily, how would you react?
This is interesting.
https://www.mideastjournal.org...kets-fired-at-israel
Formerly "Nganga"
11 September 2025, 23:43
MJinesquote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
That said, If you had missiles and rockets, raining down on you and your family daily, how would you react?
Probably the same way that the Palestinians who have seen their friends and relatives, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers killed or starved, or had their homes leveled and razed.
A number of posts in the last 24 hours have taken issue with all the hate speech and the hate, then at the same time in condemning hate they defend the hate expressed by others. They say that hate speech and intolerance resulted in Kirk's death, then express hate for the all the people that do not agree with Kirk and his positions. Trump goes on television and says that Kirk is the victim of the radical left, then promises a crackdown targeting “organizations” that he claimed contributed to political violence . . . all without having a clue as to who the assassin was or his/her motivations. They say the Palestinians hate the Jews, then defend the hatred of the Jews toward the Palestinians. If you needed any more evidence of how entrenched those notions are in this country today, look no further. It is like the legendary Oozlum bird, that flew in ever-decreasing circles until it flew right up its own ass. (And no, I am not referring to you as the Oozlum bird, I am simply saying that a lot of the response to the shooting and other acts of hate as had a tautological aspect to it.)
Mike
12 September 2025, 01:11
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
That said, If you had missiles and rockets, raining down on you and your family daily, how would you react?
Probably the same way that the Palestinians who have seen their friends and relatives, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers killed or starved, or had their homes leveled and razed.
A number of posts in the last 24 hours have taken issue with all the hate speech and the hate, then at the same time in condemning hate they defend the hate expressed by others. They say that hate speech and intolerance resulted in Kirk's death, then express hate for the all the people that do not agree with Kirk and his positions. Trump goes on television and says that Kirk is the victim of the radical left, then promises a crackdown targeting “organizations” that he claimed contributed to political violence . . . all without having a clue as to who the assassin was or his/her motivations. They say the Palestinians hate the Jews, then defend the hatred of the Jews toward the Palestinians. If you needed any more evidence of how entrenched those notions are in this country today, look no further. It is like the legendary Oozlum bird, that flew in ever-decreasing circles until it flew right up its own ass. (And no, I am not referring to you as the Oozlum bird, I am simply saying that a lot of the response to the shooting and other acts of hate as had a tautological aspect to it.)
You've told me you question mine and the character of anyone who voted for Trump, therefore, you are holding us responsible of Trumps actions because we voted him in...
Fair enough.
The Palestinians voted Hamas into power. So why aren't they responsible for the actions of Hamas?
Consistency....
Receipt..
https://www.cartercenter.org/r..._news/spring2006.pdf
Formerly "Nganga"
12 September 2025, 01:17
RolandtheHeadlessquote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
That said, If you had missiles and rockets, raining down on you and your family daily, how would you react?
Probably the same way that the Palestinians who have seen their friends and relatives, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers killed or starved, or had their homes leveled and razed.
A number of posts in the last 24 hours have taken issue with all the hate speech and the hate, then at the same time in condemning hate they defend the hate expressed by others. They say that hate speech and intolerance resulted in Kirk's death, then express hate for the all the people that do not agree with Kirk and his positions. Trump goes on television and says that Kirk is the victim of the radical left, then promises a crackdown targeting “organizations” that he claimed contributed to political violence . . . all without having a clue as to who the assassin was or his/her motivations. They say the Palestinians hate the Jews, then defend the hatred of the Jews toward the Palestinians. If you needed any more evidence of how entrenched those notions are in this country today, look no further. It is like the legendary Oozlum bird, that flew in ever-decreasing circles until it flew right up its own ass. (And no, I am not referring to you as the Oozlum bird, I am simply saying that a lot of the response to the shooting and other acts of hate as had a tautological aspect to it.)
You've told me you question mine and the character of anyone who voted for Trump, therefore, you are holding us responsible of Trumps actions because we voted him in...
Fair enough.
The Palestinians voted Hamas into power. So why aren't they responsible for the actions of Hamas?
Consistency....
The Palestinians ARE responsible for Hamas. I'll accept that argument.
But we don't kill people for electing bad guys. Otherwise, you Trumpeteers might be looking at execution dates. You bear moral responsibility for Trump, just as the Palestinians do for Hamas.
12 September 2025, 01:25
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
That said, If you had missiles and rockets, raining down on you and your family daily, how would you react?
Probably the same way that the Palestinians who have seen their friends and relatives, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers killed or starved, or had their homes leveled and razed.
A number of posts in the last 24 hours have taken issue with all the hate speech and the hate, then at the same time in condemning hate they defend the hate expressed by others. They say that hate speech and intolerance resulted in Kirk's death, then express hate for the all the people that do not agree with Kirk and his positions. Trump goes on television and says that Kirk is the victim of the radical left, then promises a crackdown targeting “organizations” that he claimed contributed to political violence . . . all without having a clue as to who the assassin was or his/her motivations. They say the Palestinians hate the Jews, then defend the hatred of the Jews toward the Palestinians. If you needed any more evidence of how entrenched those notions are in this country today, look no further. It is like the legendary Oozlum bird, that flew in ever-decreasing circles until it flew right up its own ass. (And no, I am not referring to you as the Oozlum bird, I am simply saying that a lot of the response to the shooting and other acts of hate as had a tautological aspect to it.)
You've told me you question mine and the character of anyone who voted for Trump, therefore, you are holding us responsible of Trumps actions because we voted him in...
Fair enough.
The Palestinians voted Hamas into power. So why aren't they responsible for the actions of Hamas?
Consistency....
The Palestinians ARE responsible for Hamas. I'll accept that argument.
But we don't kill people for electing bad guys. Otherwise, you Trumpeteers might be looking at execution dates. You bear moral responsibility for Trump, just as the Palestinians do for Hamas.
I just admitted to that. SO why is everyone up in arms about Palestine? Their support for Hamas has put them where they are. Do you think if Palestine was peaceful, Israel would have attack them?
If the left wants to execute me for my vote, that's rather Orwellian?
Formerly "Nganga"
12 September 2025, 01:30
RolandtheHeadlessYou're being creative now. I just said we don't execute people who vote for Trump.
The non-Hamas Palestinians don't deserve death either.
12 September 2025, 01:32
MJinesSeveral points.
1. The election you refer to took place in 2006, almost 20 years ago.
2. Hamas won 74 out of 132 seats in the legislative council, just over 56%. That means a good portion of the Palestinian population did not support Hamas.
3. No new elections have been held in Palestine since 2006.
4. So we really do not know how many Palestinians support Hamas and certainly do not know whether any support is out of ideology or fear. For example, I am quite confident that many people in Iran do not support the current regime but in the face of repression by the regime they are powerless to do anything about it.
5. There has been no systematic effort to destroy the lives of folks that voted for Trump, there are systematic efforts underway to the destroy the lives of all Palestinians in Gaza.
Frankly the analog is a pretty poor one.
Mike
12 September 2025, 01:41
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Several points.
1. The election you refer to took place in 2006, almost 20 years ago.
2. Hamas won 74 out of 132 seats in the legislative council, just over 56%. That means a good portion of the Palestinian population did not support Hamas.
3. No new elections have been held in Palestine since 2006.
4. So we really do not know how many Palestinians support Hamas and certainly do not know whether any support is out of ideology or fear. For example, I am quite confident that many people in Iran do not support the current regime but in the face of repression by the regime they are powerless to do anything about it.
5. There has been no systematic effort to destroy the lives of folks that voted for Trump, there are systematic efforts underway to the destroy the lives of all Palestinians in Gaza.
Frankly the analog is a pretty poor one.
I don't think is. Its a higher percentage than voted for Trump. As I said, I think Israel has gone too far this time.
But for you to Obfuscate the fact that they've lived under threat of missiles and rockets for decades.
The problem will not get resolved this time either. I fear that Israel's action simply created more Hamas soldiers.
Do you agree with this; "If Hamas lay down its arms, there would be peace, If Israel lay down its arms, there would be no more Israel"
I believe it to be accurate.
Formerly "Nganga"
12 September 2025, 01:59
MJinesquote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Do you agree with this; "If Hamas lay down its arms, there would be peace, If Israel lay down its arms, there would be no more Israel"
Trying to boil this down to a simple adage just won't work. Palestine is an occupied country. The Palestinians are an occupied people. Why should occupied people just roll over. And any country, including Israel, that lays down its arms and refuses to defend itself is likely to succumb to the aspirations of another country eventually. If we were going to engage in the fool's errand of trying to boil the situation between Palestine and Israel down to a simplistic statement, I think it would be more like, in the absence of a two-state solution in the region, there will never be peace in the region.
Mike
12 September 2025, 05:44
medvedto sum up here if you re a muslim and/ or not supporting trump the supreme leader you are an enemy of the state ... well the hate is well installed and despite all defending trump as the supreme leader it will be hard to defend him in the future ...
12 September 2025, 05:56
Mike Mitchellquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Several points.
1. The election you refer to took place in 2006, almost 20 years ago.
2. Hamas won 74 out of 132 seats in the legislative council, just over 56%. That means a good portion of the Palestinian population did not support Hamas.
3. No new elections have been held in Palestine since 2006.
4. So we really do not know how many Palestinians support Hamas and certainly do not know whether any support is out of ideology or fear. For example, I am quite confident that many people in Iran do not support the current regime but in the face of repression by the regime they are powerless to do anything about it.
5. There has been no systematic effort to destroy the lives of folks that voted for Trump, there are systematic efforts underway to the destroy the lives of all Palestinians in Gaza.
Frankly the analog is a pretty poor one.
Lot of truth and facts here.
The Palestinians "support" Hamas because Hamas is the only organization that advocates for their rights. And, mostly because they don't have any other choices. It's not hard to understand. Who would you support if you were Palestinian? The Israeli's?
Who want to move 2 million of them to some location other than the homes they've known for decades now? So, BB and trump can build condos on the fucking beach?
You know, the funny thing is that if all of the posters here on the forum were Palestinians, I suspect every single one of them would pick up a rifle and resist. It's in their nature to resist oppressors.
Or, so they say.
12 September 2025, 06:13
ledvmThe Comanche resisted too and while my Great Great Grandfather at least had respect for them…he still shot a lot of them in Jack County.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM
A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House
No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
12 September 2025, 06:15
RolandtheHeadlessIf that's your analogy, I guess it's a good thing there are no Palestinians on your ranch.
12 September 2025, 07:42
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
If that's your analogy, I guess it's a good thing there are no Palestinians on your ranch.
Any in CDA, jimmy?
12 September 2025, 08:10
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]
Leave Occupied Palestine!
Before or after Hamas leaves?
12 September 2025, 09:36
medvedquote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]
Leave Occupied Palestine!
Before or after Hamas leaves?
seems tomorrow at UN HQ in new york your wish will come to life. saudia and france are calling for a 2 states situation without hamas. i do hope now you will stand for it and support it has well ...
12 September 2025, 22:05
nutequote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
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Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and yet we turn a blind eye to what is happening in Gaza. Hate seems to be a one-way street. It is okay to hate certain groups, races, religions while giving other groups, races, religions a pass. Irrational not to recognize that hate is two-way street that needs to be closed.
I don't turn a blind eye. Release the prisoners.
Leave Occupied Palestine!
It is occupied by Israel, as it should be. The Palestinians are the squatters. They have no claim in the land and have never had.
Why won't the rest of the arab world take a single one of them???
The reason is obvious if you choose to see it.
The knowledge of history of some on this board is woeful.
As a result of the 1948 war hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs were expelled or fled to neighbouring states from what is now Israel, most to Gaza ( then held by Egypt) or the West Bank ( held by Jordan) but many thousands of others then, and more recently, also fled and now live in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, as well as other places. Many still live in UN camps.
12 September 2025, 22:52
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]
Leave Occupied Palestine!
Before or after Hamas leaves?
seems tomorrow at UN HQ in new york your wish will come to life. saudia and france are calling for a 2 states situation without hamas. i do hope now you will stand for it and support it has well ...
I've believed for a long time the two state solution is best.
Hate to rehash what I've already rehash adnauseum, but,....
If Israel continues its campaign, Hamas may well be eradicated, but the Palestinians may well be also. Probably not the best plan.
If Israel ceases operations, Hamas will remain alive and Gaza will continue on as a hot bed of terrorism. Definitely a bad plan.
I don't have any particular love for Trump, but his families idea of inserting themselves in Gaza and rebuilding/ reforming doesn't suck as bad as the two plans above.
I think a third party interference is the only path to preserving life and giving the Palestanians their own sovereign nationas part of the third party interference is fine with me.
12 September 2025, 23:35
Mike Mitchellquote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]
Leave Occupied Palestine!
Before or after Hamas leaves?
seems tomorrow at UN HQ in new york your wish will come to life. saudia and france are calling for a 2 states situation without hamas. i do hope now you will stand for it and support it has well ...
I've believed for a long time the two state solution is best.
Hate to rehash what I've already rehash adnauseum, but,....
If Israel continues its campaign, Hamas may well be eradicated, but the Palestinians may well be also. Probably not the best plan.
If Israel ceases operations, Hamas will remain alive and Gaza will continue on as a hot bed of terrorism. Definitely a bad plan.
I don't have any particular love for Trump, but his families idea of inserting themselves in Gaza and rebuilding/ reforming doesn't suck as bad as the two plans above.
I think a third party interference is the only path to preserving life and giving the Palestanians their own sovereign nationas part of the third party interference is fine with me.
Hamas is going to continue to exist no matter what Israel does. In fact, as many have noted, the current situation does more to ensure the existence of Hamas than it's destruction.
And, I'm not sure what the "plan" is on building condos? Other than trump day-dreaming about it?
12 September 2025, 23:43
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]
Leave Occupied Palestine!
Before or after Hamas leaves?
seems tomorrow at UN HQ in new york your wish will come to life. saudia and france are calling for a 2 states situation without hamas. i do hope now you will stand for it and support it has well ...
I've believed for a long time the two state solution is best.
Hate to rehash what I've already rehash adnauseum, but,....
If Israel continues its campaign, Hamas may well be eradicated, but the Palestinians may well be also. Probably not the best plan.
If Israel ceases operations, Hamas will remain alive and Gaza will continue on as a hot bed of terrorism. Definitely a bad plan.
I don't have any particular love for Trump, but his families idea of inserting themselves in Gaza and rebuilding/ reforming doesn't suck as bad as the two plans above.
I think a third party interference is the only path to preserving life and giving the Palestanians their own sovereign nationas part of the third party interference is fine with me.
Hamas is going to continue to exist no matter what Israel does. In fact, as many have noted, the current situation does more to ensure the existence of Hamas than it's destruction.
And, I'm not sure what the "plan" is on building condos? Other than trump day-dreaming about it?
I have no idea.
13 September 2025, 06:24
M.ShyUnfortunately Hamas is an ideology for every child, young man,older man in Gaza
That’s a fact
Solution? Good luck…
In the end, I could care less as I’m not involved in that shit show
Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two