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Fox is giving voice to a rabid, obsessed person who dwells in theory, not reality. Why? For ratings of course. It's what their audience wants. Note the difference in these two articles. It's not new info BTW, Newsweek and others covered it in 2021. But now Fox needs a bump in ratings. ============================================ The Great COVID Cover-up: Shocking truth about Wuhan and 15 federal agencies Opinion by Rand Paul • 4h • 4 min read Published 4/9/24 - 4 hrs ago https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0&ei=18&sc=shoreline Now here's an article that is NOT an Opinion published by Newsweek Wuhan, U.S. Scientists Planned to Make Coronaviruses, Documents Leaked by DRASTIC Show Published Oct 08, 2021 By Ed Browne Reporter https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan...ic-documents-1636532 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | ||
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As James Carville as said, there is a large segment of the GOP that likes being lied to, they expect to be lied to, they like being told what they want to hear regardless of its veracity . . . Fox News appreciates that fact and has built their business model around it. Mike | |||
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I agree that Fox does what you are claiming they do (pander to the customer/political views at the expense of actual news reporting.) OTOH, so does The NY Times, CNN, MSN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Heck, the British government controls their broadcasters (BBC) and has played games with the truth in the past for political purposes. Your only defense is to read multiple sources, compare them, and make your best decision on what you think is true. It’s hardly only Fox that is a problem there. | |||
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Every mainstream news outlet lies. They lie by exaggeration, omission, and by outright falsehood. Fox news is just as bad, and possibly worse than ABC, NBC, or CBS; They are just on the other side. I have never seen any news program or report, regardless of the source, which did not let the bias show. Each side, of course, believes, if everyone would just swallow their slant, eschewing all else, everything would be fine. Both sides despise any source which has the gall to disseminate the unvarnished truth. Regards, Bill. | |||
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There is a material difference between being lied to and wanting to be lied to. In the first case, the viewer wants accurate information but is given inaccurate information. In the latter case, the viewer actually just wants to hear what they want to hear and could care less if it is accurate so long as it validates their preconceived views. They are not looking for information, they are looking for validation. That is the audience Fox News plays to. Mike | |||
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I don’t know Mike. Lots of folks on the left watch MSNBC or whoever because it validates their own views. I do have to admit that I’m at the point when I see something on Fox that I generally search it online to see if there is material differences in the reporting. | |||
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I don't recall the last time, if ever, that I read or saw something from Fox that either disgusted me, or at least I was very skeptical of. Nothing surprises me from Fox. OTOH, MSNBC for example, surprises me sometimes. I honestly think I can see the difference in reporting, journalism, and a commitment to truth, as opposed to what Fox does. As an example in the OP articles, Rand doesn't say who his sources are. And his goal is to make Fauci wrong. And he's spouting a theory that he's been harping all along. The Newsweek article quotes most of his sources and says who they are and their background as being qualified. And he presents both sides of the argument. And he's not out to condemn Fauci. I am not one who thinks the media in general is all about confirmation bias. Again, false equivalence here is a fallacy. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I think you are correct, there are dummies on both sides that will always just watch what says what they want to hear. MSNBC is much the same as Fox. Both are basically carnival barkers. | |||
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I know people, relatives etc., whose only "news" source is Fox, perhaps with a dose of other far-right sources. Any conversation about politics or religion discloses their "news" feed. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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And ME likes to call others fascists. Does limiting news to that which you like sound remotely like fascism ME? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It might be (a clue) if the "news" is a facilitator of fascism. And, besides, I read and listen to Fox often, with chagrin, just to know what's going on with the fascist movement. I seldom post a link herein from Fox because I don't trust any info from them. If anything they say which can be corroborated, I might post the alternate source. It's not good enough to hear/read it from those opposed. I want to see/hear it for myself, from the propaganda source. The thing is that Fox is very convincing. So one must be very disserning when partaking in propaganda. There are guidelines such as how the info is presented, what is the quality of the sources if disclosed. There's practically always appeal to authority. How credible are they? The general presentation and tone and premises are clues to the difference in journalism and propaganda spew. Lots of stuff from Fox is confirmation of stuff already concluded, rehash of theories and previous propaganda, opinion supporting opinion, with no new evidence or facts as basis. Facts just get in the way. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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We had only fox news post the e-mail sent out by Paul Ratje, to clarify there was no whipping of migrants in the photo that was put out by the media, about with the Border Patrol. Even after the facts were presented, MSNBC, NPR, CNN had daily outrage about it, for a couple weeks after knowing. Myorkas and the Whitehouse pushed the false narrative too. All for their own purposes. Kabob lives in his own news fantasy just as his relatives live in theirs. | |||
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It depends on the news feed, Saeed. What's in, what's out, the slant, the facts, what's just made up, preconceptions, relevance, context, etc. They are what they are. Sorting through the BS is the challenge. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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ME has not called for Fox News to be taken off the air. He has pointed out his point of view of what role or effect they are having. That is not the same as demanding Fox News be removed from the Marketplace of Ideas. It is an entry into the Marketplace of Ideas saying, “ This folks are causing harm.” This has been proven when Fox paid 750 mill over the elect lies of their hosts. Let the all run. If they violate limitations recognized by the courts and the Constitution we can address it. We have already done so. Put them in the table, and let the individual who becomes the body politic have at it. | |||
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Here's Ted Koppell explaining it to Sean Hannity....ideology over facts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmaKl0Zm2c4 -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Fox paid $787 million for stoking the lies about the 2020 election that the majority of the morons that watch Fox still believe. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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And MSNBC and CNN has paid out for their false reporting. I call that a good thing, they should all be held accountable. | |||
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I will say i miss Tucker Carlson though. Most entertaining hour show to have a cocktail to ever.Could go from touting Hungary as the beacon of the free world to interviewing a lady with a chicken on her shoulder at the drop of a hat. | |||
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Folks really need to turn off the video. Too many sit and watch baseball instead of playing catch. Marathons, the Olympics and rides is televized. My grandparents used to square dance and play bridge. Today folks watch one of the talent shows and poker tournaments on ESPN. We won't read up on a subject anymore, we watch someone tell us what to know and think about it. | |||
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Agree. | |||
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In part that's what this thread is about - videos, reading, "news" casts, any means of entertainment or keeping informed. Of course there's social media, facebook, etc. and forums like this one. This forum is useful to me in seeing what people think, somewhat, as far as this venue goes. It also prompts me to inform myself, research, so I can argue and present my views better. It also helps with screening information because the links I post are screened for content and I try to make sure from a reliable source. One thing to note is that youtube is pretty safe. No malware links - just the algorithum. Lots of BS though. I've seen articles or videos about people living remote and shunning the outside world, in places like Siberia of remote Alaska. That's fine if that's what they want. It's not for me. Where does one draw the line? I try to stay informed and research stuff for projects, fishing, etc., practically every day for an hour or two, maybe while having breakfast. My projects take priority. Anyway, Fox news keeps harping Rand Paul's obcession. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5e3ec5ce7962fb&ei=21 Rand Paul claims 'smoking gun' ties Fauci, NIH to research with 'desire' to create COVID-type virus Story by Charles Creitz • 2h • 3 min read Note the use of words "smoking gun", "purported", "may have", "one whistleblower", "allegedly", "Paul claimed the developments proved". Does all that seem familiar? It's the same shit from the Biden impeachment investigation and the proof of Trump's victory was stolen, even back to the Benghazi investigations. How is that "newsworthy" other than to report the farce? Fox's article is not journalism. It's a magahorn for an obsessed fool. ============================================== Here are articles (screened) as recent as I could find about Dr. Fauci: https://www.science.org/conten...arning-his-successor Anthony Fauci on becoming the ‘devil’ and a warning for his successor After a frenetic 38 years, former U.S. infectious disease chief discusses his quieter new life, working for Trump, and what’s next for HIV and coronavirus prevention 25 SEP 2023 BY JON COHEN Also, Rand Paul and Alabama lawmakers are trying to defund security protection for Dr. Fauci, which has been reported on Fox. I read an article about a week ago (not from Fox) explaining that Dr. Fauci and his family are still getting death threats. All this hate and threats of violence is unnecessary and avoidable. What Fox and Rand Paul are doing is the cause. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I do agree that the Fox news bias is often more blatant. They make no attempt at balance. I also agree that people tune in for confirmation rather than information. The bias of ABC, for instance, is slightly more subtle, but it is there, nonetheless. It would be wonderful to get "just the facts", but it isn't likely to happen in these times. Regards, Bill. | |||
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They say they are balanced, but that's just another lie. Facts or evidence can be found with a little research. The thing to note with Fox is the lack of facts in support. I know people who watch Fox and say it's because it's the only place they can get the truth. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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FOX is a total disgrace once they move from Sports or Business to "News"; disgusting and damaging. | |||
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Here's something akin to this conversation: https://youtu.be/mlglvQtJAvk?si=_bRyt0elFpu10ZBB Yusef Salaam, an exonerated member of the Central Park Five and a New York City councilman, speaks with CNN’s Kaitlan Collins about his experience decades ago when former President Donald Trump publicly targeted him. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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My media algorithm fed me this: Ground News I did a quick research on it and found nothing negative. https://www.google.com/search?...8&bih=838&dpr=2#ip=1 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Here's something interesting - 8 years ago. I started the video at 7:17 to the best part IMO. Of course you can watch the whole thing if you want. https://youtu.be/HNXHJUZ6KrE?s...LKP66VpRH3WnjT&t=437 Best Of Jon Stewart Annihilating Fox News ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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NO SHIT !! | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...o9M?ocid=socialshare NPR is an ‘insulated cadre of people who think they’re right' ============================== What if - NPR IS right? And how ironic is it that FOX calls NPR bias? ================================== https://www.msn.com/en-us/movi...2vK?ocid=socialshare This ‘blew the lid’ off left-wing bias: Watters ’The Five’ co-hosts discuss NPR editor Uri Berliner who said the outlet reported biased coverage https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/n...WGV?ocid=socialshare Fox News Brings In More Viewers Than MSNBC And CNN Combined During First Quarter ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Why is it only the GOP? Every single VOTER LOVES being lied too! | |||
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I've noticed a lot of video links in this thread. For what it's worth, I don't watch any of them. They are too slow a conduit for information. I'd rather read--then I can go at my own pace and pay attention to the info I'm interested in. I don't have any idea what Fox News is up to these days--I hardly watch television for the above reason. | |||
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Attention spans vary. I think videos are a good means of gleaning info. They don't have to be viewed in sequence nor the whole thing watched. And segments can be watched again, scroll back and-or forward. I figure that if you don't know what Fox is up to these days is because you just don't want to know. Besides, you have engaged in this thread which is intended to give a window into what Fox is up to. Fox is very successful at what they do. They have the largest viewership over any of the competition. That one source has a very big influence upon political and cultural attitudes. Their biases and corruption is a mirror or window, depending which side you are on. It's that significant. If you choose to "I don't have any idea what Fox News is up to these days", then you are choosing to blind-side yourself. It's so big that without Fox Trump has no way to win and couldn't do what he's doing. They are his political life-line, his propaganda and rage machine and outlet. Also, some time ago I had all my TV service discontinued. So, I don't watch TV. Many of the video links I post were initially on TV. So, here's a written article link for you: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...b4d95e584af749&ei=25 NPR faces right-wing revolt and calls for defunding after editor claims left-wing bias Story by Analysis by Oliver Darcy, CNN • 18h • 4 min read ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Tens of millions have died of COVID, and millions more shall die. People are dying of COVID right now. And we know from this study, what lab releases were reported. We don't know the ones that were not reported: A new study reports 309 lab acquired infections and 16 pathogen lab escapes between 2000 and 2021, several deaths https www.thelancet.com/journals/lan...(23)00319-1/fulltext this is worth listening to: Alison Young on how top labs have jeopardised public health with repeated biosafety failures https://80000hours.org/podcast...biosafety-lab-leaks/ The conclusion I reached, is that Government labs, US and otherwise, are venting viruses all the time, and COVID was one that hit the big time. And of course, the Medical Establishment denied it. What else is new. The thing is, the Medical Establishment has not, and will not, fix the problems of lab leaks. The next viral release that creates a pandemic will not care about your politics. Why are we not outraged about that? | |||
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First - I prefer to not get on a tangent about lab leaks, the virus, theories vs truth. The theme here in this thread is about how Fox is harmful. Spreading Fauci hate is harmful and misses the point that's most important, which you point out.
What makes you think "We" are not? However, I also think your post is correct. I think it's highly probable that both Fauci and Paul are concerned if not outraged about lab releases/escapes of pathogens, and want to do what they can to "fix the problems of lab leaks". I also think Paul's outrage against Fauci is misdirection, and Fox makes it worse. "We" should be supporting those who are in positions to do something about it. I haven't seen any suggestions from Paul insofar as fixing whatever problems there are for the future. He just harps hate for Fauci and wants him prosecuted. Here's an article which is relevant from the Washington Post July, 22, 2021. As far as I know the questions and concerns then are the same now. https://www.washingtonpost.com...aul-is-really-about/ What the fight between Anthony Fauci and Rand Paul is really about (Here's excerpts) Paul, who believes the evidence points to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), the world’s leading bat coronavirus lab, as the source of the outbreak, pressed Fauci about a scientific paper by WIV’s head bat researcher, Shi Zhengli. Arguing that her work modifying viruses to make them more transmissible to humans constitutes “gain of function research,” he accused Fauci of lying to Congress, a federal crime. Fauci insisted that it “was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain of function.” He was using a specific definition crafted by the Department of Health and Human Services in 2017 when the Obama administration’s pause on gain of function research was lifted. “And Senator Paul, you do not know what you are talking about, quite frankly,” Fauci added. Paul responded by accusing Fauci of “trying to obscure responsibility for 4 million people dying around the world.” Fauci called Paul a liar. The exchange ended with each side declaring victory. Both men were playing to the cameras, but many scientists think Paul actually does know what he’s talking about. One of them is Rutgers University microbiologist and biosafety expert Richard Ebright, whom Paul quoted as saying this research “matches, indeed epitomizes the definition of gain of function research.” Other scientists, even those who believe the lab leak theory likely, argue that Fauci is technically correct, although they note that the official definition is so narrow it enables anyone to avoid the review process Fauci himself helped to establish. In other words, if the oversight system for reviewing risky research is almost never used, what good is it? But it doesn’t matter which “gain of function” definition you prefer. What everyone can now see clearly is that NIH was collaborating on risky research with a Chinese lab that has zero transparency and zero accountability during a crisis — and no one in a position of power addressed that risk. Fauci is arguing the system worked. It didn’t. Even if the lab leak theory isn’t true, what’s clear is that we need more oversight of this risky research, both in the United States and in China. (There's more) Final paragraph: This is ultimately not about Fauci or Paul or even gain of function research. This is about getting to the truth of how this pandemic started so we can adjust our policies to prevent the next one. That means avoiding politics, not quibbling over semantics and pushing forward without bias or pre-conclusions. This is an urgent issue for our national security and public health. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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The UK state owns but has no editorial control or influence over the BBC. Sky News, Channel 4, ITV, the Times, the Independent, the Guardian, and all the others are in no way owned or controlled by the govt. | |||
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I will submit there is not a lot of similarities among the listed and Fox News. Gutfield and the Black hair prime time dude (Jesse?) being two great examples. | |||
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You very well know that the government in the past has exercised control over what was placed on the BBC. There are continual revisions of their charter trying to eliminate influence and the appearance of influence. Wasn't it part of/controlled by the ministry of information in both the great wars? Haven't there been BBC directors who resigned over such influences? De facto, control of finances is control. | |||
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The great unwashed provide the BBC funding via a licence fee. The beeb is often accused by both ends of the spectrum of favoring the opposite end. All the while that happens it’s likely that both sides get equal measure. It’s probably leaning a little to the left. Until 2007 the governors were appointed by the current govt but this has now changed to governance by a trust. Going back a good few years, the interwar period and post WW2, I’d agree with you, it was a state broadcaster, but I don’t see that as the case now or for most of my lifetime. It has a slight left bias yet the government for the last 14 years has been right of centre. Your earlier comments referred to broadcasters plural. As above, the others are in private ownership. | |||
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The BBC and FOX are analagous? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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