Valerie Jarrett and Osama-even with their help
he is a loser...

Debates will not change our votes.
Too many combat veterans will NOT be voting for
the ass party.
Unless Harry Truman can be returned to run again.
And Harry would'nt cross the floor to vote for this scumbag.
Trump will close/fix the border like he started to
while the Socialist Dem idiots now are bringing in drug cartels
and illegal criminals in droves. The lesser of two weevils...

Always easier to blame the other side than own up to your own failures.



Trumps doctrine of "America Alone", abandoning our strategic alliances and kowtowing to autocrats and despots is enough to make me sick.

But yet, the worship of the orange turd continues.

Boggles the mind.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Always easier to blame the other side than own up to your own failures.



Trumps doctrine of "America Alone", abandoning our strategic alliances and kowtowing to autocrats and despots is enough to make me sick.

But yet, the worship of the orange turd continues.

Boggles the mind.

The Stone Age Cave Dwellers who kicked your collective arse!

Abandoning the Monroe doctrine was a fools errand.

Only democrats could think it was a good idea.....


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Originally posted by JTEX:
Abandoning the Monroe doctrine was a fools errand.

Only democrats could think it was a good idea.....


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ALL of Trump's foreign policy was a fools errand.

Not just the Doh-a Accord.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Abandoning the Monroe doctrine was a fools errand.

Only democrats could think it was a good idea.....


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Agree again.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:
Abandoning the Monroe doctrine was a fools errand.

Only democrats could think it was a good idea.....


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ALL of Trump's foreign policy was a fools errand.

Not just the Doh-a Accord.

Banning muslim/terrorist countries from allowing their people to enter the USA is a good idea.....
Controlling our border is a good idea...

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Originally posted by dogcat:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:
Abandoning the Monroe doctrine was a fools errand.

Only democrats could think it was a good idea.....


.

ALL of Trump's foreign policy was a fools errand.

Not just the Doh-a Accord.

Banning muslim/terrorist countries from allowing their people to enter the USA is a good idea.....
Controlling our border is a good idea...

I consider both of those Domestic policy, not foreign. Either way, I do not argue one bit with a well controlled border, that is common sense.

Trump's policy of America disengaging from world affairs and his willingness to abandon our post WII strategic alliances is what I was referring to .

Failing to recognize an open border as a disaster
is tantamount to treason.

The Socialist Democrats have long labored on the Alinsky-Leninist playbook to damage the U.S.

Only mental cases expect different results by SD political actions repeated again and again. Wake up and smell the coffee. VOTE like your country depends on core values and conservatism, never mind that you don't like the color of a candidates's hair. The Supreme Court just may be smarter than you are.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Always easier to blame the other side than own up to your own failures.

And you're quite good at it.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Always easier to blame the other side than own up to your own failures.

And you're quite good at it.

Unlike some here, I have not swallowed the Kool-Aid, not the Blue or the Orange. Give me a moderate Republican and they will most assuredly get my vote.

How about you? You seem like the type who rides for the brand. Party before country?

450: No, trying to undermine a presidential election is treasonous. Vote how you must. I will not forget which candidate tried to steal the last election. I'm not a conservative, I'm the most evil of all political stripes...a moderate who has no interest in the culture war.

Both parties disappoint me, Trump's foreign policy was terrible the last time and he plans for the future I cannot support.

YMMV....

Voter fraud is more serious. One can be a moderate conservative.

Ron DeSantis would work, in that he is less divisive
than the other two dolts.

Unfortunately, we are back to the eternal lesser of two evils. But geriatrical posturing won't get it.
The border is more critical than most of the electorate will ever comprehend, and it does impact foreign policy. It was called the I&N Act of 1918, as amended many times.

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Originally posted by 450 Fuller:
Voter fraud is more serious.

I disagree. Trump's behavior after losing the last election was the most outrageous thing I have seen in politics during my 53 years on this planet. Nothing is more serious than the attempted theft of a Presidential election.

I do not feel that Desantis is a moderate, almost as divisive as Trump, he would not get my vote either. Nikky Haley or Larry Hogan would get my vote.

Yes, the border is critical, but I won't vote for Trump for a multitude reasons, the main one being his attempt to steal the last election.

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The border is more critical than most of the electorate will ever comprehend

100%

THE most important issue.

No, not electing a power hungry nutter who tried to steal the last Presidential election is the MOST important thing.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Always easier to blame the other side than own up to your own failures.

And you're quite good at it.

Unlike some here, I have not swallowed the Kool-Aid, not the Blue or the Orange. Give me a moderate Republican and they will most assuredly get my vote.

How about you? You seem like the type who rides for the brand. Party before country?

No Steve I don't "ride for the brand" I just always find it funny and sad at all the hypocrisy from both side, and point it out when I see it. I too would like to see better candidates on both side, but I don't think they even exist anymore. The whole system seems to prevert anybody who gets involved in it, or it attracts the already perverted. I have no faith in either side to do what is right for this country.

Good candidates still exist, but both parties are being driven by the extremes and they are currently pushing out those who seek common ground and compromise. Larry Hogan is a superb politician, one of the few GOP Governors in a blue state that was very popular and only stepped down due to term limits. You can see how the national party treats him, terribly because he won't give Trump a pass for his actions. The Democrats platform keeps drifting further and further to the left, something I do not support at all. The direction of the Republican party is even more concerning to me, I strongly believe in separation of church and state and continued support of our strategic alliances, the talk of increased tariffs and doing away with income tax is madness. Both parties have abandoned the middle, truly puzzling to me. As for the election, my biggest concern is keeping Trump out of office.

Gentlemen,

Herein lies the problem..

The democrats will support whatever stooge the DNC put up without question.. They are not voting for and individual, they are voting for an IDEOLOGY.

The Republicans, and most Independents vote for the individual, and will not support someone they don't like for whatever reason. Ego driven voters.

It is this attitude that will cause the next election to roll to the democrats.... again..

Until conservatives learn to set their ego aside and vote for the IDEOLOGY AND NOT THE MAN , [i]like the Democrats learned years ago , then we will get 4 more years of babbling Joe or his surrogate.

Truth! ^^^

I have been trying to convey that^^^message here for a decade.

Many just can’t see the forest for the trees.

Trump's ideology is focused only on himself.

It still surprises me that some don't get it. How can you trust anything that comes out of his mouth?

The fact that you fixate on Trump’s qualities and not the trend of the country under liberal executive power is what amazes me.

More trees blocking the view of the forest I guess.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The fact that you fixate on Trump’s qualities and not the trend of the country under liberal executive power is what amazes me.

More trees blocking the view of the forest I guess.

The GOP would like you to forget that their nominee is a lying, cheating, philandering, fraud who has been impeached multiple times, bankrupt multiple times, cheated on everyone of his 3 wives, tried to steal the last election and has been convicted of 34 felonies.

Best not to focus on Trump's qualities says Lane

Exactly correct. Because Biden is as equally flawed as a person and the Democratic Party stands for NOTHING good and is the downfall of modern America.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
. . . Biden is as equally flawed as a person . . .

Biden may be worthless as a President and have his foibles, but the statement above is just bullshit. There is no way on earth a rational person can compare Biden and Trump as people and make a statement that they are equally flawed. How many divorces has Biden had? How many affairs has Biden had while married? How many handicapped people have you seen Biden mock? How many veterans have you seen Biden ridicule? How often do you hear Biden talking about what a superior human he is and every way to every other person? I could go on, but the point is that while Biden may be turd as President, there is no way he is a person as flawed as Trump. I have a hard time even articulating one redeeming character attribute that Trump has.

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Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
. . . Biden is as equally flawed as a person . . .

Biden may be worthless as a President and have his foibles, but the statement above is just bullshit. There is no way on earth a rational person can compare Biden and Trump as people and make a statement that they are equally flawed. How many divorces has Biden had? How many affairs has Biden had while married? How many handicapped people have you seen Biden mock? How many veterans have you seen Biden ridicule? How often do you hear Biden talking about what a superior human he is and every way to every other person? I could go on, but the point is that while Biden may be turd as President, there is no way he is a person as flawed as Trump. I have a hard time even articulating one redeeming character attribute that Trump has.

One has made a living in business and one has made a living in the business of selling out America.

One raised a successful set of children and one raised a drug addicted mafia boss whom he taught how to sell out America.

I could go on…but I don’t need to. If you can’t see it now you never will.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
. . . Biden is as equally flawed as a person . . .

Biden may be worthless as a President and have his foibles, but the statement above is just bullshit. There is no way on earth a rational person can compare Biden and Trump as people and make a statement that they are equally flawed. How many divorces has Biden had? How many affairs has Biden had while married? How many handicapped people have you seen Biden mock? How many veterans have you seen Biden ridicule? How often do you hear Biden talking about what a superior human he is and every way to every other person? I could go on, but the point is that while Biden may be turd as President, there is no way he is a person as flawed as Trump. I have a hard time even articulating one redeeming character attribute that Trump has.

One has made a living in business and one has made a living in the business of selling out America.

One raised a successful set of children and one raised a drug addicted mafia boss whom he taught how to sell out America.

I could go on…but I don’t need to. If you can’t see it now you never will.

Hell, you can make your own rules as long as you make enough money, eh Lane?

Lying, cheating, fraud, whores, trying to steal an election, all fine if you are successful enough in business

Morally flexible as always

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
. . . Biden is as equally flawed as a person . . .

Biden may be worthless as a President and have his foibles, but the statement above is just bullshit. There is no way on earth a rational person can compare Biden and Trump as people and make a statement that they are equally flawed. How many divorces has Biden had? How many affairs has Biden had while married? How many handicapped people have you seen Biden mock? How many veterans have you seen Biden ridicule? How often do you hear Biden talking about what a superior human he is and every way to every other person? I could go on, but the point is that while Biden may be turd as President, there is no way he is a person as flawed as Trump. I have a hard time even articulating one redeeming character attribute that Trump has.

One has made a living in business and one has made a living in the business of selling out America.

One raised a successful set of children and one raised a drug addicted mafia boss whom he taught how to sell out America.

I could go on…but I don’t need to. If you can’t see it now you never will.

Hell, you can make your own rules as long as you make enough money, eh Lane?

Lying, cheating, fraud, whores, trying to steal an election, all fine if you are successful enough in business

Morally flexible as always

Superior to selling America for half a century — as Biden and later his mafia boss son have.