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A rational republican. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/07...cans-dent/index.html Editor’s Note: Charlie Dent is a former Republican congressman from Pennsylvania who was chair of the House Ethics Committee from 2015 until 2017 and chair of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Military Construction, Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies from 2015 until 2018. He is a CNN political commentator. The views expressed in this commentary are his own. View more opinion on CNN. CNN — The drawn-out spectacle that was the House speaker election laid bare the fracture and dysfunction within the House Republican conference. Mercifully, it ended after four days and 15 ballots. But it’s worth noting that the House Speaker vote is the first – and typically the easiest – order of business. Judging by how difficult it was for Kevin McCarthy to secure the necessary votes to become speaker, there are plenty of bitter and protracted fights to come. After McCarthy flipped a number of his original holdouts, his fate finally came down to Rep. Matt Gaetz, who found himself on the receiving end of ire from his GOP colleagues, including an understandably frustrated Rep. Mike Rogers, who angrily confronted the Florida congressman during the closing moments of the 14th ballot. While congratulations are in order to Speaker McCarthy, the role has been considerably weakened due to the reported concessions he made during this unseemly political shakedown. Clearly, the hardliners exacted more than a pound of flesh from McCarthy and most of the House GOP conference that will make governing exceedingly difficult. It begs the question: Is surrendering your way to victory really winning? And when will this appeasement ever end, considering it only makes this extremist faction more powerful? First, a bit of recent history is in order to explain the dynamics of the House Republican conference. Anyone surprised by the dysfunction this week should not have been; the House GOP conference has been growing increasingly dysfunctional over the past 13 years. The chaotic machinations witnessed by the world this week are simply a continuation of the dysfunction that began after the Tea Party swept the House in 2010. Former Speaker John Boehner and Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor, and later Speaker Paul Ryan, were all tormented by a rejectionist wing of their own party on simple matters of governance. Funding the government, preventing default on the full faith and credit of the United States, providing emergency relief to states and communities ravaged by natural disasters, and reauthorizing essential programs all became dramatic, high stakes fights. McCarthy was in leadership throughout this period and knew the dangers in dealing with this fringe group bent on sowing chaos in Congress. In fact, some of the same characters behind the chaos this week were among the group that fragged McCarthy in 2015 when he last tried to become speaker (and failed). Torturing the House Republican leadership and holding the GOP agenda hostage has become an ignoble strategy for these rabble rousers. So here we are in 2023. The malcontents are still digging in – the only difference now is that there is a smaller governing majority. Actually, there really is no GOP governing majority at all, and the world will learn that soon enough. A paradigm shift is long overdue. Pragmatic and rational Republican members, who bristled at the concessions McCarthy handed to Gaetz and his ilk, must force a course correction and change the dynamics. In this case, retribution is a dish best served piping hot. It’s time for rational House Republicans to push back and use their leverage – starting with the rules package. They should give the chaos caucus a taste of their own medicine and say no until their reasonable demands are met. They’ll be doing themselves – and McCarthy – a favor by clawing back some of the rules the speaker agreed to in his misguided deal. Giving in to the hardliners by allowing a single member to call for a vote to oust the speaker is a nonstarter; same for placing more members of the Freedom Caucus on the House Rules Committee. The hardliners also secured a promise that a McCarthy-aligned super PAC would not intervene in open, safe seat GOP primaries. Why empower fringe elements even further in a way that will only produce more members of Congress who are disinterested in governing? These are inexplicable acts of self-destruction. It’s time to stop feeding the crocodiles. Rational Republicans must stand, fight and resist. Two can play this game. If the diabolical demands and tactics of the chaos caucus didn’t upset them enough, consider this quote from Gaetz: “I ran out of things I could even imagine to ask for.” Rational House Republicans need to protect themselves from the deal McCarthy agreed to in his own quest for the coveted gavel. Big legislative battles are looming, and Republicans will need all the procedural tools at their disposal to keep the country on track and out of the proverbial ditch, or worse. Tanking the worst of the proposed rules changes is in order. And if there aren’t enough GOP votes for a more reasonable rules package, then it’s time to try something novel – bipartisanship. In this case, rational Republicans should reach across the aisle and work with Democrats to secure enough votes for a rules package that rolls back some of the hardliners’ demands. The House’s ability to function is at stake. America’s authoritarian adversaries around the world point to democracy as outdated and unable to meet the needs of its people. It’s time to prove them wrong by stamping out the extremist elements within our midst who deny the results of free and fair elections and wish to wreak havoc on America’s hallowed temple of democracy. This is the moment for rational House Republicans to make their stand. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | ||
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McCarthy is probably not the right person for the job. He was bound and determined to have the position though. In hindsight, I wish he had been speaker last go-round instead of Ryan. Hence, I was ready to give him a try. Hopefully he will rise to the occasion but maybe at least he will have it out of his system. The system of electing a Speaker worked just as it was supposed to by design. The occurrence not unprecedented. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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When a member of the same party has to be or need to be restrained, it did not work as intended. When you give power over to Election Deniers, the process did not work as intended. The Speakership can now put on the floor to be removed through one vote to vacate. The GOP could not orders pizza. We need more Paul Ryans and no 20 faction. The GOP looks like they cannot order a pizza. Your attempts to normalize this has failed in the public. It did not matter who the majority of Republicans put toward, the 20 were going to pull this because they will not stop until the minority of the MAGA cancer affects and kills the entire GOP. | |||
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The system worked…we have a Speaker don’t we. (Funny how Conservative Lites always preach “the System” until they don’t like how the system works.  ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Its the man bun..... 
Quote a few electiom deniers on the other side as well.....of course it was a different election.... But still deniers... . | |||
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President Obama and Vice President Biden rejected all calls to object to the certification of the vote. Vice President Biden gaveled down objections. A peaceful transition of power occurred. HRC even conceded. Not so much for your Faction. | |||
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The system did not work as intended. See my response that you cannot rebut. It is clear to me Dr. Easter your brand is not Republican. Your brand is these 20 morons. A very minor group who seeks to turn the Republican Party into the Stupid PRty. You and turn need to leave. Paul Ryan did a great job. The 20 is on notice call your vote to oust McCarty. Over 200 Rs will vote for McCarthy just as they did for 15 votes. Only in your world does 20 Mayer more than the will of the majority. | |||
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The five whackjobs that held held the “people’s house” hostage, represent 540,000 vs. 359,500,000. That’s 1/10 of one percent. The “people’s house?” What people? | |||
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Oh, your attempts to normalize this weeks chaos by GOP Speaker vote is only short of your attempts to marginalize President Trump’s failure, MAGA hate, and Jan 6. GOP members becoming so out of control because of the obstruction of 20 GOO members out of over 200 and one member in particular underscores this is not how the system is suppose to work. Take your 20 and fork your own Party. | |||
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So Cat......and our man bun junior attorney...... The rights of the minority don't matter????? The democrat process worked. | |||
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JTex I am a Commissioner for the Commonwealth of Kentucky, an Asst Commonwealth and Asst County Attorney, I have made 6 figures multiple times in private practice, and manage a company with over 100 million dollars in bonding power. Majority Rule with protections for minority rights. The Speaker vote is not a discussion of individual rights. It is a discussion in the GOP’s inability to govern. If the process had worked as intended we would not have seen GOP members early fight one another and your side’s leader threatening to quit Congress which was a lie. There is no place for election deniers (15-20) to wxverise Committee power. Take your nut jobs and form your own party. I am glad you feel comfortable enough to comment about my physical appearance. Only in loon/but land does an event that has not happened in over 100 years be counted as normal. The 20s version of politics is why you do not control a majority in the Senate nor the White House. No excuses this time for loosing GA. Yet, the loons refuse to self reflect on their rejected policies. Of course, they do not really have policies; just Dems evil, gays the ruin of society, and more Bible. Of course, I do not have a bun. As if hair makes someone. One last thing. My education was paid for on academic merit. | |||
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Lheym, I think Jtex’scomments were directed towards me. And, oh so cutting they were. A man-bun? Is there anything lower? I’ll be off my feed for at least two days. | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...437f854c2cce274bd8bc They live in their own political bubble': Why House Republicans seem to be 'divorcing from reality' Story by Brandon Gage • 10h ago ================================================ There's obviously a Texas alt-reality bubble too, as demonstrated by Jtex and Ledvm. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The people who voted for them. It is still America Doug. Those people get to choose who represents them. Unlike Joshua…you at least admit to being a liberal and hang with the Democrats. The House was set up to give small groups of people their choice of representation. But we already know you dislike the system. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Bullshit, the system wasn’t set-up to help a tiny minority of whackjobs to game the system. In spite of a lot of wisdom, in the 17th Century, the founders never anticipated the Trumps and other nuts with their burn er down beliefs. | |||
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You forget that the Founders were revolutionaries who just burned down the Kings holdings so that small groups of non-conformers could have their say. Sometimes I wonder if you liberals ever studied American History.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That depends on how you define "small groups"....I've always read that 1/3 of the colonists favored revolution, 1/3 opposed it and 1/3 didn't care. I know there were a lot of colonists that fought for England in the war. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I don’t see conflict between our 2 statements. Albeit…never heard 1/3 theory…but not disputing it either. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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What a crock. They wanted to be free from being under the yoke of British control. I don’t see how that relates to their expected support of less than a half a percent controlling the wishes of the other 99.5% The pre-supposition was that the future leaders were men that had the best interests of the country at heart, not some jaded mother fuckers that had only their own interests at heart and were sending out solicitations for money after each vote. | |||
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They did pretty clearly value not having a law for every occasion, though. They seriously debated things like would the law actually accomplish a goal. They debated the entire bill and knew what they were voting on. And, of course, the country was much smaller then. Back then each representative was responsible to 30,000 voters. Now it’s like 700,000. Easier to meet them, and more folks knew you personally then. | |||
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I personally like the Freedom Caucus and think they have the country’s interest better in mind than the entirety of the Democratic Party sans Joe Manchin. I personally don’t hear anybody in the State of Texas complaining about them. But…make NO mistake about it…the Founders would not have had a problem of how it played out nor would they have had a big problem with the supposed physical scuffle Joshua was upset about. System worked as intended. A vote is a vote. The Founders weren’t known to be go-along-get-alongers by any means. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-2gX45D8f4 JUST IN: Republicans Unveil Massive Rule Changes In Congress Now That Democrats Are Out Of Power Forbes Breaking News ================================================ Notice the yawn at about 1:45 ================================================ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4f99a1bc74e16a6ad9ac House passes controversial rules package with only one Republican opposing Story by Eric Garcia • 21m ago =============================================== https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...4f99a1bc74e16a6ad9ac First bill under Speaker McCarthy will cost taxpayers more than $100 billion ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Yes, the Founders would. Adam’s lamented new, young men who acted that way. I hear plenty of Rs in Kentucky and GA complaining about the Speaker vote. The majority of the Freedom Caucus did not support this Faction of 20. When the Faction can frustrate matters to physical alteration. The system is not working as intended. Take your 20 and walk. I am still waiting for Gaetz to waiting Congress like he said he would. All you are doing by supporting these not serious people is playing into Dem hands. Yeah, you are right we should go back to letting the Jackson’s of the world go back to caning and shooting people. You can say supposed all you want. Just like Jan 6 and President Trump’s failure. The physical restraint taken to keep Gaetz from being jerked up is on tv and YouTube. | |||
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Just in case one somehow rationalized that we are not dealing with radicals, lunatics, liars, and in particular with fascist motives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5S3sRFlNj0 Video LEAKS of Trump HOSTING Fascist Weekend Party in Mar-A-Lago ================================================ When these self-deemed "conservatives" use the word "freedom", just imagine how contorted that concept is in the mind of a fascist. I think for a rational person, that's impossible to imagine. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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House Republicans voted to gut the House Ethics Committee, and George Santos said it was 'fantastic' https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...427eb33ffee3fa966463 GOP Rep. Nancy Mace says Rep. George Santos' 'entire résumé and life was manufactured' and that it will be 'very difficult to work with anyone who cannot be trusted' https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4a15b870518cdaf46095 Republicans Signal Cuts To Social Security, Medicare With New House Majority Story by Igor Bobic • 8h ago https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4a15b870518cdaf46095 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I get tired of arguments about what the Founders would do. It's all BS. The Founders were a diverse group, or at least as diverse as a bunch of white men of the time could be. No women were included among them, which alone makes a Tarot reading of their intent suspect as a role model. Minority races and ethnicities, the same. Even so, the Founding White Men didn't all think the same way about most issues. The classic example is slavery. For another thing, these men did not live in our modern times. They had no concept of airplanes, computers, or Velcro. It's pointless to argue what they might do with modern problems. The outcome of such speculation always echoes the speaker's own preferences. What counts are the documents they left behind that do express their collective intent: the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. | |||
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Good thing they only have the house. And they have zero chance of over riding a Biden veto. | |||
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The system worked…Speaker elected. But since McCarthy has known for months he would be in this position…it does highlight ineptitude of leadership skills. But, he can’t do worse than Paul Ryan…made that mistake last go-round. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Ryan was a traitorous RINO that blew several chances to have meaningful reforms in a some areas. He like many other talked a good fight but in the end he acted in the interest of the deep state. | |||
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