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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
In America, Political Party solidarity is the new Patriotism,

Only if you let it be that way Steve, I refuse to support a corrupt politician just because he is Republican.

Your call but for me, no way, nor do I view party loyalty as patriotic.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It not “letting it be that way,” it is reality.

If Democrats didn’t 99.99% of the time vote on party lines supporting the party’s platform…you might have an argument. But they do so you don’t.

You mean the same way Republicans vote party line?

Your team is just as responsible as the other side.

I refuse to be aligned with either, just like I refuse to support someone as corrupt as Trump.

Had a GOP nominated a moderate, they would have received my vote, they nominated the most corrupt Indvidual to ever run for office, I'll pass thanks.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It not “letting it be that way,” it is reality.

If Democrats didn’t 99.99% of the time vote on party lines supporting the party’s platform…you might have an argument. But they do so you don’t.

You mean the same way Republicans vote party line?

Your team is just as responsible as the other side.

I refuse to be aligned with either, just like I refuse to support someone as corrupt as Trump.

Had a GOP nominated a moderate, they would have received my vote, they nominated the most corrupt Indvidual to ever run for office, I'll pass thanks.

Moderates get destroyed.

McCain..Romney..Dole.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It not “letting it be that way,” it is reality.

If Democrats didn’t 99.99% of the time vote on party lines supporting the party’s platform…you might have an argument. But they do so you don’t.

You mean the same way Republicans vote party line?

Your team is just as responsible as the other side.

I refuse to be aligned with either, just like I refuse to support someone as corrupt as Trump.

Had a GOP nominated a moderate, they would have received my vote, they nominated the most corrupt Indvidual to ever run for office, I'll pass thanks.

Moderates get destroyed.

McCain..Romney..Dole.

Trump got destroyed last election, yet the GOP nominated that divisive culture warrior again.

No thanks.

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It not “letting it be that way,” it is reality.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Just catching up on this and I find it bloody funny- the multiple hypocrisies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJYJjpx63c8

I like Tony Hincliff and his kill tony show. So understand his context.

But the comparison to Bidens Garbage comment cant be ignored and on one hand its funny to see Trump try and down play it. And with the election so close, realise it might play a part in his election chances. While equally funny to see AOC get outraged.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Just catching up on this and I find it bloody funny- the multiple hypocrisies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJYJjpx63c8

I like Tony Hincliff and his kill tony show. So understand his context.

But the comparison to Bidens Garbage comment cant be ignored and on one hand its funny to see Trump try and down play it. And with the election so close, realise it might play a part in his election chances. While equally funny to see AOC get outraged.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

Biden is no longer a candidate because we all generally thought he was no longer in command of his faculties. What Biden says has nothing to do with anything anymore. Biden doesn't represent the Democrats anymore than he does you and me.

The question is Harris or Trump and nothing else.

The sitting president doesn't represent his party? The sitting president doesn't represent his people?

And yet, he is still in office, calling the shots, making press appearances, etc?

Then why is he sitting in the most powerful seat in the world?

And he was "sharp as a tack" despite all his gaffes, sleeping episodes, etc. the entire time he was running for reelection.... Right up until the debate made that lie too obvious to hide?

Sorry Scott, but it just doesn't sit right. You can't have it both ways.

For too long both sides have played this game. Look where that nonsense has got us: we get to choose between Trump, arguably(?) our most sleazy president(so far), and Harris, an empty vessel, a younger more hip version of Biden, a person who, like Biden, will never be tasked with making any real decisions.

Not like you or I will cast a vote that matters anyway, as Trump will run away with Alaska 3 electoral votes.

Cause Oliver, the gay Libertarian, will be the beneficiary of my protest vote. I find myself more in line with his views than either of those other two cocksuckers. The irony......

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Scott, I think your posts are thought provoking. I don't know if you mean them that way or not, or perhaps you are just venting.

One example is you have said more than once that you often think "what am I missing".

So, I think about that question often.

We get all hyped about Biden and Trump and their mistakes, BS talk, personas. (a strategic mask of identity in public)

I think that's a distraction. On Trump's part I think it's intentional, to own the media, etc. You know he's capable of it.

I have been thinking about the idea that many have the mindset of tear it all down.

But maybe that's just too easy to make that conclusion.

So, what's missing?

I'm going with the idea which may be classified as a conspiracy theory but there is plenty of evidence.

Remember when it was reported that Trump proposed a quid pro quo with the oil producers' executives? He said give a billion $ to my campaign and I'll give in return what you want. Drill baby drill.

That's just the tip.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0204ac29a9371&ei=159

The Unique Danger of a Trumpist Oligarchy

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I think what the author describes is a sure thing. So the question is how do Trump supporters fit in?

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I have a feeling this election will be won by the republicans that dont vote.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I could interpret your "participate" comment as just another way of saying venting.

Now that you mention it, I do try to convince as well as participate and explain. And I give information, as best I can and source, in support.

Okay, let me paraphrase a little. You have said several times your belief and opinion regarding "tear it all down". But you seem to be advocating it only insofar as the GOP. But at the same time, you say the democrat party is worse, so I read that as you advocate "tear it all down" regarding the whole "System" of politics and governance.

Now that we're clear, what, in your dreams, would you replace what we've cherished for 200+ years with?

My point is that you don't like what is, but you don't explain your vision for what you would like to see next, except chaos.

My additional point is that your dream of chaos is happening now, and for whatever it's worth you share 1 / 350 millionith or so in the cause and effect.

You say, in your opinion, the GOP is at "rock bottom". I disagree. They are at a plateau, a setup, to go much further and the bottom is unimaginable, almost.

We can estimate how far they will go by looking at the evidence of recent past and now - the lies, insurrection, and much more, including of course Trump's fantasies of revenge, violence, firing squads, retribution using the system, the broligarchs, mass rounding up and deportations, and most of all the proven and reliable and exploitable masses who actually want to "tear it all down".

See project 2025.

Do you understand that what's at stake this election is far more that "tear it all down"? It's about replacement and building up BIG GOVT to serve, top dribble down. It takes a lot of government to run a fascist regime, big swamp, many gators. And the path of the replacement is through the Founder's System, using it as a means to an end, to achieve something else. How corrupt is that?

So dream all you want. What we have is a choice between the so-deemed vile progressivism or the alternative described above, illiberal to the core and max. The power mongers have a plan and it's close to working. So, where in the scheme of circumstances and things that are is your impotent and uncertain and half-assed dream?

One thing - the democrats are not talking or planning to "tear it all down" - quite the opposite.

Consider what each party has to offer "We the People".

On one side it's a liberal/progressive social order.

The other side plans for an autocratic or a form of theocracy, or fascist-like, if not actual, social structure/order.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Scott, I think your posts are thought provoking. I don't know if you mean them that way or not, or perhaps you are just venting.

One example is you have said more than once that you often think "what am I missing".

So, I think about that question often.

We get all hyped about Biden and Trump and their mistakes, BS talk, personas. (a strategic mask of identity in public)

I think that's a distraction. On Trump's part I think it's intentional, to own the media, etc. You know he's capable of it.

I have been thinking about the idea that many have the mindset of tear it all down.

But maybe that's just too easy to make that conclusion.

So, what's missing?

I'm going with the idea which may be classified as a conspiracy theory but there is plenty of evidence.

Remember when it was reported that Trump proposed a quid pro quo with the oil producers' executives? He said give a billion $ to my campaign and I'll give in return what you want. Drill baby drill.

That's just the tip.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0204ac29a9371&ei=159

The Unique Danger of a Trumpist Oligarchy

=======================================

I think what the author describes is a sure thing. So the question is how do Trump supporters fit in?

M E , I intend to no more or less participate in a conversation and share a thought or opinion. I wouldn't try to convince anyone, but I can try to explain why I lean a certain way or am not as convinced as others are. I repeatedly question myself and I believe my different professions require it as does my personal life.

As to the "tear it all down", I do believe that and as I've said before, I apply it to the GOP. I don't believe the Republican political party represents me anymore. Socially, culturally, professionally, in foreign policy as well as domestic policy I can't relate to the GOP. Of course even less so the democrats. For me to advocate for candidates or party candidates I believe the GOP needs to be completely dissolved and a new, different and un related organization take it's place. I consider Trump to be an all-time low point, rock bottom as far as I'm concerned so I think it's high time the parents show up at the frat house, collect their juvenile delinquents, everyone goes home and the frat house can look for new and different tenants, possibly a new owner also.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Scott, I think your posts are thought provoking. I don't know if you mean them that way or not, or perhaps you are just venting.

One example is you have said more than once that you often think "what am I missing".

So, I think about that question often.

We get all hyped about Biden and Trump and their mistakes, BS talk, personas. (a strategic mask of identity in public)

I think that's a distraction. On Trump's part I think it's intentional, to own the media, etc. You know he's capable of it.

I have been thinking about the idea that many have the mindset of tear it all down.

But maybe that's just too easy to make that conclusion.

So, what's missing?

I'm going with the idea which may be classified as a conspiracy theory but there is plenty of evidence.

Remember when it was reported that Trump proposed a quid pro quo with the oil producers' executives? He said give a billion $ to my campaign and I'll give in return what you want. Drill baby drill.

That's just the tip.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0204ac29a9371&ei=159

The Unique Danger of a Trumpist Oligarchy

=======================================

I think what the author describes is a sure thing. So the question is how do Trump supporters fit in?

M E , I intend to no more or less participate in a conversation and share a thought or opinion. I wouldn't try to convince anyone, but I can try to explain why I lean a certain way or am not as convinced as others are. I repeatedly question myself and I believe my different professions require it as does my personal life.

As to the "tear it all down", I do believe that and as I've said before, I apply it to the GOP. I don't believe the Republican political party represents me anymore. Socially, culturally, professionally, in foreign policy as well as domestic policy I can't relate to the GOP. Of course even less so the democrats. For me to advocate for candidates or party candidates I believe the GOP needs to be completely dissolved and a new, different and un related organization take it's place. I consider Trump to be an all-time low point, rock bottom as far as I'm concerned so I think it's high time the parents show up at the frat house, collect their juvenile delinquents, everyone goes home and the frat house can look for new and different tenants, possibly a new owner also.

The Republicans had the chance to vote for people who were sane and competent in the primaries and we ended up with Trump as the R. I think it's a wider issue than the party, it's the voters.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Not only are we garbage, But according to Mark Cuban, women who vote for Trump are stupid.

Who is running this campaign anyway? No discipline, no real messaging. It's alarming to me.

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Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Scott, I think your posts are thought provoking. I don't know if you mean them that way or not, or perhaps you are just venting.

One example is you have said more than once that you often think "what am I missing".

So, I think about that question often.

We get all hyped about Biden and Trump and their mistakes, BS talk, personas. (a strategic mask of identity in public)

I think that's a distraction. On Trump's part I think it's intentional, to own the media, etc. You know he's capable of it.

I have been thinking about the idea that many have the mindset of tear it all down.

But maybe that's just too easy to make that conclusion.

So, what's missing?

I'm going with the idea which may be classified as a conspiracy theory but there is plenty of evidence.

Remember when it was reported that Trump proposed a quid pro quo with the oil producers' executives? He said give a billion $ to my campaign and I'll give in return what you want. Drill baby drill.

That's just the tip.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0204ac29a9371&ei=159

The Unique Danger of a Trumpist Oligarchy

=======================================

I think what the author describes is a sure thing. So the question is how do Trump supporters fit in?

M E , I intend to no more or less participate in a conversation and share a thought or opinion. I wouldn't try to convince anyone, but I can try to explain why I lean a certain way or am not as convinced as others are. I repeatedly question myself and I believe my different professions require it as does my personal life.

As to the "tear it all down", I do believe that and as I've said before, I apply it to the GOP. I don't believe the Republican political party represents me anymore. Socially, culturally, professionally, in foreign policy as well as domestic policy I can't relate to the GOP. Of course even less so the democrats. For me to advocate for candidates or party candidates I believe the GOP needs to be completely dissolved and a new, different and un related organization take it's place. I consider Trump to be an all-time low point, rock bottom as far as I'm concerned so I think it's high time the parents show up at the frat house, collect their juvenile delinquents, everyone goes home and the frat house can look for new and different tenants, possibly a new owner also.

The Republicans had the chance to vote for people who were sane and competent in the primaries and we ended up with Trump as the R. I think it's a wider issue than the party, it's the voters.

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I wrote in Rick Perry in my Primary.

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
The sitting President of the United States has called me garbage.

Well that's special from the party of "unity and joy".

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I could interpret your "participate" comment as just another way of saying venting.

Now that you mention it, I do try to convince as well as participate and explain. And I give information, as best I can and source, in support.

Okay, let me paraphrase a little. You have said several times your belief and opinion regarding "tear it all down". But you seem to be advocating it only insofar as the GOP. But at the same time, you say the democrat party is worse, so I read that as you advocate "tear it all down" regarding the whole "System" of politics and governance.

Now that we're clear, what, in your dreams, would you replace what we've cherished for 200+ years with?

My point is that you don't like what is, but you don't explain your vision for what you would like to see next, except chaos.

My additional point is that your dream of chaos is happening now, and for whatever it's worth you share 1 / 350 millionith or so in the cause and effect.

You say, in your opinion, the GOP is at "rock bottom". I disagree. They are at a plateau, a setup, to go much further and the bottom is unimaginable, almost.

We can estimate how far they will go by looking at the evidence of recent past and now - the lies, insurrection, and much more, including of course Trump's fantasies of revenge, violence, firing squads, retribution using the system, the broligarchs, mass rounding up and deportations, and most of all the proven and reliable and exploitable masses who actually want to "tear it all down".

See project 2025.

Do you understand that what's at stake this election is far more that "tear it all down"? It's about replacement and building up BIG GOVT to serve, top dribble down. It takes a lot of government to run a fascist regime, big swamp, many gators. And the path of the replacement is through the Founder's System, using it as a means to an end, to achieve something else. How corrupt is that?

So dream all you want. What we have is a choice between the so-deemed vile progressivism or the alternative described above, illiberal to the core and max. The power mongers have a plan and it's close to working. So, where in the scheme of circumstances and things that are is your impotent and uncertain and half-assed dream?

One thing - the democrats are not talking or planning to "tear it all down" - quite the opposite.

Consider what each party has to offer "We the People".

On one side it's a liberal/progressive social order.

The other side plans for an autocratic or a form of theocracy, or fascist-like, if not actual, social structure/order.

Ok, well you've exaggerated a ton and put quite a few words in my mouth so I won't bother further.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Scott, I think your posts are thought provoking. I don't know if you mean them that way or not, or perhaps you are just venting.

One example is you have said more than once that you often think "what am I missing".

So, I think about that question often.

We get all hyped about Biden and Trump and their mistakes, BS talk, personas. (a strategic mask of identity in public)

I think that's a distraction. On Trump's part I think it's intentional, to own the media, etc. You know he's capable of it.

I have been thinking about the idea that many have the mindset of tear it all down.

But maybe that's just too easy to make that conclusion.

So, what's missing?

I'm going with the idea which may be classified as a conspiracy theory but there is plenty of evidence.

Remember when it was reported that Trump proposed a quid pro quo with the oil producers' executives? He said give a billion $ to my campaign and I'll give in return what you want. Drill baby drill.

That's just the tip.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0204ac29a9371&ei=159

The Unique Danger of a Trumpist Oligarchy

=======================================

I think what the author describes is a sure thing. So the question is how do Trump supporters fit in?

M E , I intend to no more or less participate in a conversation and share a thought or opinion. I wouldn't try to convince anyone, but I can try to explain why I lean a certain way or am not as convinced as others are. I repeatedly question myself and I believe my different professions require it as does my personal life.

As to the "tear it all down", I do believe that and as I've said before, I apply it to the GOP. I don't believe the Republican political party represents me anymore. Socially, culturally, professionally, in foreign policy as well as domestic policy I can't relate to the GOP. Of course even less so the democrats. For me to advocate for candidates or party candidates I believe the GOP needs to be completely dissolved and a new, different and un related organization take it's place. I consider Trump to be an all-time low point, rock bottom as far as I'm concerned so I think it's high time the parents show up at the frat house, collect their juvenile delinquents, everyone goes home and the frat house can look for new and different tenants, possibly a new owner also.

The Republicans had the chance to vote for people who were sane and competent in the primaries and we ended up with Trump as the R. I think it's a wider issue than the party, it's the voters.

I wrote in Rick Perry in my Primary.

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Originally posted by nute:
It's a sad reflection on the USA Today.

quote:

I wrote in Rick Perry in my Primary.