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Originally posted by MJines:
Let's just go on the record now:

1. Putin will play Trump like a fiddle and Trump will leave the meeting praising Putin and his willingness to deal, his commitment to peace, etc.

2. Putin will end up being able to retain most, if not all, of what he gained militarily in the invasion.

3. Trump will end up condemning Zelensky for refusing to enthusiastically jump on board and will threaten and/or pull support for Ukraine.

Trump just wants to be able to declare that he ended the war, he could care less about the terms and whether it preserves Ukraine sovereignty. He needs something to get the conversation off of Epstein. Anyone that thinks Trump is headed to Alaska to lay down the law to Putin and play a tough hand . . . well they well deserve their status as a MAGAt.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Let's just go on the record now:

1. Putin will play Trump like a fiddle and Trump will leave the meeting praising Putin and his willingness to deal, his commitment to peace, etc.

2. Putin will end up being able to retain most, if not all, of what he gained militarily in the invasion.

3. Trump will end up condemning Zelensky for refusing to enthusiastically jump on board and will threaten and/or pull support for Ukraine.

Trump just wants to be able to declare that he ended the war, he could care less about the terms and whether it preserves Ukraine sovereignty. He needs something to get the conversation off of Epstein. Anyone that thinks Trump is headed to Alaska to lay down the law to Putin and play a tough hand . . . well they well deserve their status as a MAGAt.

. . . so Monday we can tick the next box.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Adam Schiff must have created your talking points… or did I see a B-2, escorted by F-35’s fly a low pass over Putin . I wonder why Trump arranged that. May you can ask Schiff.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Let's just go on the record now:

1. Putin will play Trump like a fiddle and Trump will leave the meeting praising Putin and his willingness to deal, his commitment to peace, etc.

2. Putin will end up being able to retain most, if not all, of what he gained militarily in the invasion.

3. Trump will end up condemning Zelensky for refusing to enthusiastically jump on board and will threaten and/or pull support for Ukraine.

Trump just wants to be able to declare that he ended the war, he could care less about the terms and whether it preserves Ukraine sovereignty. He needs something to get the conversation off of Epstein. Anyone that thinks Trump is headed to Alaska to lay down the law to Putin and play a tough hand . . . well they well deserve their status as a MAGAt.

. . . so Monday we can tick the next box.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Adam Schiff must have created your talking points… or did I see a B-2, escorted by F-35’s fly a low pass over Putin . I wonder why Trump arranged that. May you can ask Schiff.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Let's just go on the record now:

1. Putin will play Trump like a fiddle and Trump will leave the meeting praising Putin and his willingness to deal, his commitment to peace, etc.

2. Putin will end up being able to retain most, if not all, of what he gained militarily in the invasion.

3. Trump will end up condemning Zelensky for refusing to enthusiastically jump on board and will threaten and/or pull support for Ukraine.

Trump just wants to be able to declare that he ended the war, he could care less about the terms and whether it preserves Ukraine sovereignty. He needs something to get the conversation off of Epstein. Anyone that thinks Trump is headed to Alaska to lay down the law to Putin and play a tough hand . . . well they well deserve their status as a MAGAt.

. . . so Monday we can tick the next box.

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I don't know why this meeting Alaska is being seen as a final solution. Everyone agrees that Ukraine is sovereign, they'll have to approve any finality.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Let's just go on the record now:

1. Putin will play Trump like a fiddle and Trump will leave the meeting praising Putin and his willingness to deal, his commitment to peace, etc.

2. Putin will end up being able to retain most, if not all, of what he gained militarily in the invasion.

3. Trump will end up condemning Zelensky for refusing to enthusiastically jump on board and will threaten and/or pull support for Ukraine.

Trump just wants to be able to declare that he ended the war, he could care less about the terms and whether it preserves Ukraine sovereignty. He needs something to get the conversation off of Epstein. Anyone that thinks Trump is headed to Alaska to lay down the law to Putin and play a tough hand . . . well they well deserve their status as a MAGAt.

. . . so Monday we can tick the next box.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Let's just go on the record now:

1. Putin will play Trump like a fiddle and Trump will leave the meeting praising Putin and his willingness to deal, his commitment to peace, etc.

2. Putin will end up being able to retain most, if not all, of what he gained militarily in the invasion.

3. Trump will end up condemning Zelensky for refusing to enthusiastically jump on board and will threaten and/or pull support for Ukraine.

Trump just wants to be able to declare that he ended the war, he could care less about the terms and whether it preserves Ukraine sovereignty. He needs something to get the conversation off of Epstein. Anyone that thinks Trump is headed to Alaska to lay down the law to Putin and play a tough hand . . . well they well deserve their status as a MAGAt.

. . . so Monday we can tick the next box.

The Danger is Clear

'The danger is clear': Ex-Trump 'operative' warns White House guest of planned 'trap'
Story by David McAfee
© provided by RawStory

Donald Trump is planning a "trap" for an upcoming White House guest, according to a former administration insider.

Former Trump associate Lev Parnas, who says he used to be "deep inside the Trump machine" and now reports from the outside, recently flagged a news story that he was sure would make Trump "flip." Parnas has described himself as a former "trusted operative" of the president.

Now, Parnas is saying Trump's carefully calculated moves with Putin in Alaska were merely a distraction.

"But that’s the illusion. That’s the game. While they chatter about body language and handshakes, the real story is buried beneath the surface — exactly where Putin wanted it," Parnas wrote in a piece for Substack. "And now, even before the dust settles in Alaska, I hear from my sources that Trump is summoning Zelensky to the White House on Monday. The media will sell it as progress, as hope. But I’m telling you, it’s a trap."

He continued to outline what he sees as Trump's "plan" for the leader of Ukraine.

"And now, with Zelensky summoned to Washington, the danger is clear. They will try to corner him into a deal he cannot accept — a land swap, a false 'peace' carved out of Ukraine’s sovereignty. And when he refuses, they will paint him as the obstacle, the problem, the reason peace failed."

He added:

"I’m risking everything to bring you this truth. My sources are risking everything too. Every day, Trump, Putin, and their enablers are tightening their grip, cracking down on leakers, truth-tellers, and independent voices like ours. They want silence. They want obedience. They want you in the dark while they divide nations like real estate and rewrite history as if the dead, the stolen, and the broken never mattered."

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Originally posted by MJines:
It is being reported that Starmer, von der Leyen, Metz, Macron, Rutte, Meloni and Stubb are predicted to participate in the meeting at the White House on Monday. If true, that would be a positive development. Always a good idea to have some adult supervision in the room with Trump.

Starmer Will Join European Leaders in White House Meeting With Zelensky

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Originally posted by TomP:
Do I correctly remember reading that Ukraine has the second-largest natural gas reserves in Europe? And if I do, why isn't that fact mentioned in polite company? And then there's the "bread-basket" moniker, a not-quite-stranglehold on food availability in some quarters. The Holodomor had much to do with this, and it occurred withing living memory.

Ukraine isn't a be-all and end-all economic powerhouse, but it holds a few cards that would fit well in others' hands.

Trump and Putin are like the proverbial two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner, bankers' family values. Ukraine's resources could be collateral for a lot of borrowed money, a strong draw for countries with financial inconveniences.

The chess game is being played on another board upstairs in a closet, while we watch checkers in the kitchen. I do not think Trump himself is so bright, but the guys telling him what to do might be, and smart enough not to make an issue of mental ability.