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Budapest Memorandum, article 3.
08 March 2025, 12:05
HerrBergBudapest Memorandum, article 3.
3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act,
to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
Treasonous bitches.
Write hard and clear about what hurts
-E. Hemingway
08 March 2025, 12:48
medvedyou misunderstood ... it was not ratified by the congress ...
08 March 2025, 13:55
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by medved:
you misunderstood ... it was not ratified by the congress ...
truest thing you have ever posted
bill clinton and the entire congress under dem control, and they wouldn't pass it --
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ited_States_Congressaint that weird?
10 March 2025, 19:50
HerrBergNot ratified by democrats, and actively ignored by republicans.
Note taken: "when shaking hands with americans after a multilateral treaty, count your fingers afterwards".
Write hard and clear about what hurts
-E. Hemingway
10 March 2025, 20:05
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
Not ratified by democrats, and actively ignored by republicans.
Note taken: "when shaking hands with americans after a multilateral treaty, count your fingers afterwards".
Those nukes didn't belong to Ukraine and they spent decades providing they had no business retaining any of the former Soviet arms.
10 March 2025, 20:09
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
Not ratified by democrats, and actively ignored by republicans.
Note taken: "when shaking hands with americans after a multilateral treaty, count your fingers afterwards".
So, we don't have an allthing here - the way our system works is by votes, in two different houses, then signed by the potus - or not - and the controlling party, the dems at the time, didn't bother --
10 March 2025, 20:18
LHeym500The House has no role if we are treating this as a non-proved and non-ratified treaty.
Assuming it was a treaty approved by the Senate and ratified, Congress could then pass a statute from it. In that manner the House would play a role, but not mandatory.
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Originally posted by HerrBerg:
Not ratified by democrats, and actively ignored by republicans.
Note taken: "when shaking hands with americans after a multilateral treaty, count your fingers afterwards".
Yeah.....kinda like how the Europeans honored NATO obligations.... Not paying their fair share for decades while propping up their social programs and enriching Putin by purchasing fossil fuels from russia....
Your crocodile tears are noted!
Keep whining the USA taxpayer is tired of keeping you on welfare!
10 March 2025, 22:25
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
Not ratified by democrats, and actively ignored by republicans.
Note taken: "when shaking hands with americans after a multilateral treaty, count your fingers afterwards".
Yeah.....kinda like how the Europeans honored NATO obligations.... Not paying their fair share for decades while propping up their social programs and enriching Putin by purchasing fossil fuels from russia....
Your crocodile tears are noted!
Keep whining the USA taxpayer is tired of keeping you on welfare!
Jtex will probably agree that I've said for years that the US has voluntarily borne an oversized commitment to international security or politics. That is long overdue to end or be modified.
The way trump is going about it may not be prudent, but then again perhaps the other parties that have been laying back and letting Uncle Same do the heavy lifting should have taken on more responsibility for the load decades ago.
Everyone knew it wouldn't last. Rome didn't last, Spain didn't last nor did Macedonia, Greece, Persia, Britain, Germany, Scandanavia,......
Time to grow up kids. If Scandanavia unified it could conquer Vlad in a month. Build your own rifles and tanks, build your own jets. Strap your own helmets on and tie your own combat boots. There has to be a part of you that feels really stupid looking thousands of miles to the west for help with an enemy scant yards to your east.
Scott, Sweden hasn't been part of NATO until recently.
They do already build their own fighter planes, very good ones, and the global eye surveillance aircraft, and the NLAW inti tank systems, and in partnership with BAE their own artillery (Archer?), and various anti aircraft systems.
Sweden whilst being neutral has a very capable military ... and they bring a lot to the NATO table.
10 March 2025, 22:47
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by nute:
Scott, Sweden hasn't been part of NATO until recently.
They do already build their own fighter planes, very good ones, and the global eye surveillance aircraft, and the NLAW inti tank systems, and in partnership with BAE their own artillery (Archer?), and various anti aircraft systems.
Sweden whilst being neutral has a very capable military ... and they bring a lot to the NATO table.
And I wouldn't have suggested otherwise about them, so great! Keep up the good work.
11 March 2025, 00:39
crbutlerSwedish equipment is excellent.
It’s the numbers that cause issues.
And yes, I foresee that instead of buying US made weapons that the Europeans will buy their weapons from European countries.
Yep, Trump’s attempt to separate us from Europe is going to have some negative consequences for us.
Too bad it took this kind of bad US behavior to wake you all up to the smell from the bear cage…
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Originally posted by Scott King:
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Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
Not ratified by democrats, and actively ignored by republicans.
Note taken: "when shaking hands with americans after a multilateral treaty, count your fingers afterwards".
Yeah.....kinda like how the Europeans honored NATO obligations.... Not paying their fair share for decades while propping up their social programs and enriching Putin by purchasing fossil fuels from russia....
Your crocodile tears are noted!
Keep whining the USA taxpayer is tired of keeping you on welfare!
Jtex will probably agree that I've said for years that the US has voluntarily borne an oversized commitment to international security or politics. That is long overdue to end or be modified.
The way trump is going about it may not be prudent, but then again perhaps the other parties that have been laying back and letting Uncle Same do the heavy lifting should have taken on more responsibility for the load decades ago.
Everyone knew it wouldn't last. Rome didn't last, Spain didn't last nor did Macedonia, Greece, Persia, Britain, Germany, Scandanavia,......
Time to grow up kids. If Scandanavia unified it could conquer Vlad in a month. Build your own rifles and tanks, build your own jets. Strap your own helmets on and tie your own combat boots. There has to be a part of you that feels really stupid looking thousands of miles to the west for help with an enemy scant yards to your east.
Of course I agree. Europe has welched on their commitments for decades. It is beyond time for them to accept responsibility for their security and their actions! While they have been enriching russia,for their cheap,petroleum products they expect us to pay for their security????
A element got one thing right for sure "we are an ocean away"..... Russia is right next door to them.......
11 March 2025, 06:40
medvedwhat i find interesting is the us maga supporter are calling the congress when it fits their agenda but not needed when their dear president is doing wrong but not for them ... we will see on the long run if the congress, senate and justice are needed or if just the president is needed.
11 March 2025, 06:53
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by medved:
what i find interesting is the us maga supporter are calling the congress when it fits their agenda but not needed when their dear president is doing wrong but not for them ... we will see on the long run if the congress, senate and justice are needed or if just the president is needed.
really?
obummer said "i had a pen and a cell phone" for his mgt style .. and jobama said "murphaorhaa$@#$easltic47HICK" or something like that..
Could you IMAGINE being the jobama sign language translator? just how many times one would have to say "WTF, IFK" would be crippling
11 March 2025, 06:54
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by HerrBerg:
3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
Treasonous b!tches.
1: can't be treason to a treaty
2:there's not treaty, it was never approved
3: ukraine gets us money --
move on, deal with reality, not whatifs -- you can thank bill clinton
11 March 2025, 06:59
LHeym500Jeff is correct. At best, it was a policy statement by that administration.