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There's thousands of examples.

Here's one:

https://youtube.com/shorts/xDD...?si=RfZ0gBQo5VKYMbnp


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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Typical lefty post.

Cherry picked and edited facial expressions.


Is trust him a hell of a lot more than that steamed plate of Broccoli or Kackles the Kum Dumpster.
 
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Kackles the Kum Dumpster.


Snort!
 
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To quote Kamala Harris:

https://youtube.com/shorts/a2t...?si=l3l42a7echlSzgQS

My bet is that you think it's funny when spoken by a pretty white girl.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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The best part about Kackles is that now she will inflict herself on Commiefornia and destroy the few Rene ants that are left.
 
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I think it's important to understand the difference in Machiavellianism as it pertains to psychology and politics.

From what I've read the term as it applies to politics has been in use for a long time. Only recently has it been applied by psychiatrists to personality traits more generally.

The differences seem to me to be that Machiavelli described and analyzed something in power politics that isn't necessarily bad. He just described how it is.

But in personality traits, when it becomes part of the Dark Triad, that's when it becomes dangerous especially in a leader.

Here's an explanation of the political Machiavellian:

https://youtu.be/AOXl0Ll_t9s?si=EG7Q3qwQIISUiXz5


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Originally posted by Jayhawker2022:
The best part about Kackles is that now she will inflict herself on Commiefornia and destroy the few Rene ants that are left.


You must be aware that there are more Republicans in California than in Wyoming...


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That should have read remenants.


I know there are a lot of republicans out there.

But the big plus places OWB your state.
 
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I know there are a lot of republicans out there.


How do you know that?

Evidence is there are not enough REAL republicans now.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Looks at the voting maps. All the Rural areas are predominantly red along with SD and IIRC OC.

It’s jut not enough to offset the densely packed blue areas combined with massive illegal voting and your typical Democratic cheating and manipulation.

It was a gloriously red state when tue Great Communicator was elected and fell right off the cliff after his presidency.

It was once a beautiful place.

Now it’s identity politics, over priced real estate and an illegal invasion.
 
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Trump has a kind of low cunning, and uses his charisma to play to the uninformed and stupid.

But comparing him to Machiaveli is like comparing a chimp to Einstein.
 
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Originally posted by Jayhawker2022:
That should have read remenants.


I know there are a lot of republicans out there.

But the big plus places OWB your state.


Remnants.

Speaking of overpriced real estate, are you aware of the price of housing in Bondurant and Pinedale?
Don't get me started on Merna...that's not much like Wyoming any more.


TomP

Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.

Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
 
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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Trump has a kind of low cunning, and uses his charisma to play to the uninformed and stupid.

But comparing him to Machiaveli is like comparing a chimp to Einstein.


That's an interesting post.

Cunning and charisma are two traits. Cunning, low or high is still cunning. Smiler

And the comparison you made is sort of amusing, and true, but the point I'm trying to make is not a comparison to Machiavelli, the man, but instead I'm saying that the techniques he described are what Trump utilizes.

I hope you see the difference.

I doubt that Trump has read The Prince or any of Machiavelli's books, much less studied them. That's not necessary for Trump to develop the traits into skill. What Machiavelli described is a winning formula for those few people who have the natural instincts of human nature for seeking and attaining power. Manipulation is the more appropriate word vs leadership, subject to subjective interpretations. One doesn't need to be as smart as Machiavelli but must be driven, far more so than the average person.

Driven by what?

No question that a person is driven by the traits of the Dark Triad personality, when they exist, defined as combo of narcissism, Machiavellianism and Psychopathy. Sadism and paranoia are to some degree relevant too. I think Trump is a perfect example.

https://youtube.com/shorts/3UH...?si=iasLI9vdrb_vNPsJ

https://youtube.com/shorts/dU0...?si=sNrICHpmCb4oZXyE

https://youtube.com/shorts/JRM...?si=NgUyWQsZsWXkPAxU

https://youtu.be/DpmSdFknoMk?si=Npj2aDnhBvmwT_B0
The Four Dark Personality Traits
Jordan B Peterson Clips

Dr Peterson and Dr. Delroy discuss the 4 dark personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, sadism, and psychopathy.

Dr. Delroy Paulhus is a personality researcher whose work in dark personality traits, via a variety of psychometric methods, has yielded measures of the Dark Tetrad. His work has also validated measures of socially desirable responding, perceived control, free will and determinism, and over-claiming. His work has been published in over 150 articles and books, and his current citation count exceeds 43,000.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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