The puppet is warned

About time for this ungrateful crook!

He never stopped complaining he isn’t getting what he wants!

Dang right they are not Amazon…

Amazon gets paid before they send stuff.

Frankly, the Ukrainian people are doing the dying.

Zelensky won’t live long if his people think he’s selling them for personal profit, and he knows that.

The Russian government owns the war. They didn’t have to start it, and they can end it.

Theres a time for gratitude, and there is a time to speak frankly.

Zelensky knows that there are weapons in western hands that could potentially shorten the war and save ukrainian lives.
Id suggest a NATO meeting is a fair place for frank speaking.

Oh the puppet got the message alright.

He was quick to change his tone and said he was grateful!

What between being glorified by Hollywood Bimbos and stupid politicians, why would he want to negotiate an end to the war!

You keep faulting Zelensky for not negotiating. What does he have to negotiate? More territory, after Crimea, for Putin to swallow up?

Fulfill his promises which he gave to Russia when he was first installed in power.

What promises are those that could justify an invasion of a neighboring state?

2015 Minsk agreement brokered by France and Germany.

Zelensky refused to fulfill his part.

I bet by being egged on by America.

The real warmonger of the world!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
2015 Minsk agreement brokered by France and Germany.

Zelensky refused to fulfill his part.

I bet by being egged on by America.

The real warmonger of the world!

Correct 100%

Dont you guys read?

How about the 1994 Budapest agreement that Ukraine lived up to and Russia reneged on to invade the Crimea?

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Dont you guys read?

We do.

And just like yourself, we believe who we think is telling the truth.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Fulfill his promises which he gave to Russia when he was first installed in power.

You mean like the ones Russia gave to Ukraine in 1994 - Budapest Memorandum

"- to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine"

The ones Russia broke when it invaded Crimea
The ones Russia broke by supporting, funding and arming separatists in eastern Ukraine?

...funny as I don't recall Ukraine invading Russia as a result of Russia's broken promises...

...just how many more times should Ukraine bend over and take it up the backside before defending themselves?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
How about the 1994 Budapest agreement that Ukraine lived up to and Russia reneged on to invade the Crimea?

...apparently those doesn't count...

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Dont you guys read?

We do.

And just like yourself, we believe who we think is telling the truth.

No, no, I read the whole article not just the headline

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
How about the 1994 Budapest agreement that Ukraine lived up to and Russia reneged on to invade the Crimea?

...apparently those doesn't count...

I guess there is reading, and there is understanding.
Like you guys I understand there is no way Ukraine is the party at fault in this whole situation.

Oh I do understand what is going on.

A bit like Teflon Tony telling us about Saddams WMD!

We all know how that turned out.

Hmm. You might be right, Saeed. Maybe instead of Russia launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, it was actually the reverse.

Have the invaders reached Moscow yet?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Hmm. You might be right, Saeed. Maybe instead of Russia launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, it was actually the reverse.

Have the invaders reached Moscow yet?

I don’t like invaders.

But what the West is doing to Russia is totally out of logic.

How come no one did the same to America each time they invaded other countries??

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How come no one did the same to America each time they invaded other countries??

Because everyone loves us.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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How come no one did the same to America each time they invaded other countries??

Because everyone loves us.

True.

Including all the drug lords from down south!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Oh I do understand what is going on.

A bit like Teflon Tony telling us about Saddams WMD!

We all know how that turned out.

You just ignore the truth, and base your comments on only the facts you choose. Maybe reading the DM has rotted your brain.

Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine boarders and sovereignty . This was broadly in return for Ukraine giving Russia the nukes stationed on Ukraine soil.

Russia broke its promise and funded, armed and trained separatists in eastern Ukraine. Russia broke its promise, again, and invaded Crimea. Way before Zelenski was elected (he was elected in 2019, 5 years after Russia invaded Crimea .

But you ignore this, over and over again. Just how many times is Ukraine supposed to ignore broken Russian promises and bend over and take more Russian abuse?

But Zelenski is a criminal because he defends his country

... and yes, Blair and Bush tricked the US and the UK into an illegal war. They should both face the consequences (but wont).

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Oh I do understand what is going on.

A bit like Teflon Tony telling us about Saddams WMD!

We all know how that turned out.

You just ignore the truth, and base your comments on only the facts you choose. Maybe reading the DM has rotted your brain.

Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine boarders and sovereignty . This was broadly in return for Ukraine giving Russia the nukes stationed on Ukraine soil.

Russia broke its promise and funded, armed and trained separatists in eastern Ukraine. Russia broke its promise, again, and invaded Crimea. Way before Zelenski was elected (he was elected in 2019, 5 years after Russia invaded Crimea .

But you ignore this, over and over again. Just how many times is Ukraine supposed to ignore broken Russian promises and bend over and take more Russian abuse?

But Zelenski is a criminal because he defends his country

... and yes, Blair and Bush tricked the US and the UK into an illegal war. They should both face the consequences (but wont).

What IS the truth?

So it is only YIU who knows the truth??

Others are ignorant nitwits?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
2015 Minsk agreement brokered by France and Germany.

Zelensky refused to fulfill his part.

I bet by being egged on by America.

The real warmonger of the world!

Please. Neither side has fulfilled their obligations. Russia refused to even acknowledge they had troops in the region.

We're beyond all that now anyway. Once Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine, the Minsk agreements became irrelevant.

Saeed apparently believes that Zelensky and the Ukrainian people should bow down to Putin and his invading armies. Ukraine begs to differ, as does most of the world.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Oh I do understand what is going on.

A bit like Teflon Tony telling us about Saddams WMD!

We all know how that turned out.

You just ignore the truth, and base your comments on only the facts you choose. Maybe reading the DM has rotted your brain.

Russia signed an agreement to respect Ukraine boarders and sovereignty . This was broadly in return for Ukraine giving Russia the nukes stationed on Ukraine soil.

Russia broke its promise and funded, armed and trained separatists in eastern Ukraine. Russia broke its promise, again, and invaded Crimea. Way before Zelenski was elected (he was elected in 2019, 5 years after Russia invaded Crimea .

But you ignore this, over and over again. Just how many times is Ukraine supposed to ignore broken Russian promises and bend over and take more Russian abuse?

But Zelenski is a criminal because he defends his country

... and yes, Blair and Bush tricked the US and the UK into an illegal war. They should both face the consequences (but wont).

What IS the truth?

So it is only YIU who knows the truth??

Others are ignorant nitwits?

Ive explained it often enough, I even gave you the links to the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances so you can read about it yourself.

This is part of the foundation for the relationship between Russia and Ukraine, signed shortly after Ukraine became independent (while Zelensky was probably still in school).

"to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine"

Why after Russia reneged on its promises and armed separatists, invaded and annexed part of Ukraine, do you think Ukraine felt it was completely pointless to trust anything else Putin said?

If Russia de facto occupies the east and Crimea having promised not to, is it a suprise that Ukraine is cosying up to the west?

Im not claiming anyone is a nitwit, the facts are right there.

What is the truth? How about you show us where anything Nute said is incorrect.
Asking what is the truth is a fallacy used when you dont like the truth.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
What is the truth? How about you show us where anything Nute said is incorrect.
Asking what is the truth is a fallacy used when you dont like the truth.

Ah!

The truth according to ME?

Carry on you lot.

Does not alter the facts that Russia is being crucified for what it is, which America has been doing for years, without anyone batting an eyelid!

..its the truth according to the truth.

You know, facts, history, what actually happened and stuff.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
What is the truth? How about you show us where anything Nute said is incorrect.
Asking what is the truth is a fallacy used when you dont like the truth.

Ah!

The truth according to ME?

Carry on you lot.

Does not alter the facts that Russia is being crucified for what it is, which America has been doing for years, without anyone batting an eyelid!

Look over there, look over there! Deflection and a red herring argument at its best. WTF does Russia’s invasion of Ukraine have to do with anything the US has done? The beauty of this whole shitstorm is that Putin was concerned with NATO expansion. And his direct action has result in 2 new members!

And the big, gaping, hole that exists in Putins feeble attempts to justify his attack on Ukraine is.- Given Finland and Sweden joining. Why hasn't he attacked them as more present threats.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
What is the truth? How about you show us where anything Nute said is incorrect.
Asking what is the truth is a fallacy used when you dont like the truth.

Ah!

The truth according to ME?

Carry on you lot.

Does not alter the facts that Russia is being crucified for what it is, which America has been doing for years, without anyone batting an eyelid!

lol. You're the king of "the truth according to me" so you ought to understand the sentiment. You just rarely have any facts to support your "truths".

Reports the kerch bridge has been hit again.

Yep, they whacked it again.