Putin, of course, had nothing to do with it..
This is the war the Trump was going to stop in one day, before he was even sworn in - remember? Easiest thing ever, he said.
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Donald J. Trump & @realDonald Trump

The War between Russia and Ukraine is Biden's war, not mine. I just got here, and for four years during my term, had no problem in preventing it from happening. President Putin, and everyone else, respected your President! I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS WAR, BUT AM WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET THE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION TO STOP. If the 2020 Presidential Election was not RIGGED, and it was, in so many ways, that horrible War would never have happened. President Zelenskyy and Crooked Joe Biden did an absolutely horrible job in allowing this travesty to begin. There were so many ways of preventing it from ever starting. But that is the past. Now we have to get it to STOP, AND FAST. SO SAD!

Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

This is a quick discussion by someone who is not trying to convince the marks.
He is making statements he believes to be fact, based on his experience.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...s-we-have-ever-heard

Yes, this was mooched from zerohedge. There are other sources for this same talk by Sachs.
Observe the difference in personal style from Trump, who is always trying to create the illusion of fact.
Sachs relates fact, Trump tries to make a sale. Big difference.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

we all know trump has done nothing and it is never his fault lol ... even if he promised to fix within 24 hours lol ... hard to defend your supreme leader ... but we all know you did not vote for him and not his supporter lol like many others that voted for him ...

I remember when some on here claimed it was Europe that did the heavy lifting blunting Putin. They refused and argued against President Biden receiving credit for Putin’s advances being blunted.

Now, the war is Biden’s fault.

The U.S., through the Biden Administration, provided the heavy lifting that followed the U.S. and Western Europe front Russia to a halt in Ukraine. This was President Biden and his Administration’s doing. Western Europe could not have accomplished this without us. We led and Western Europe engaged. Putin’s war was blunted.

This was a good thing. It is joe things should be. The Post WWII order engaged.

I am proud of it. I am proud of President Biden and his Administration on this issue.

I am angered, and disgusted at Trump’s regime concerning Ukraine. Now, this was a campaign issue. Most voters wanted to sacrifice our position in the Post WWII, our allies, and Ukraine.

It is insanity.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

we all know trump has done nothing and it is never his fault lol ... even if he promised to fix within 24 hours lol ... hard to defend your supreme leader ... but we all know you did not vote for him and not his supporter lol like many others that voted for him ...

Simple,, it's a simple question. Prove you aren't the village idiots

who gave the speech with the it'll be a minor incursion line?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

Oh boy! The lefties are gonna duck and dodge now!!!!

Lets see???? Putin rolled when Obama was president and when Biden was president.......just sayin.....


.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

we all know trump has done nothing and it is never his fault lol ... even if he promised to fix within 24 hours lol ... hard to defend your supreme leader ... but we all know you did not vote for him and not his supporter lol like many others that voted for him ...

Simple,, it's a simple question. Prove you aren't the village idiots

It's beyond stupid to call Putin's invasion of Ukraine "Biden's war."

It's Putin's war.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

Oh boy! The lefties are gonna duck and dodge now!!!!

Lets see???? Putin rolled when Obama was president and when Biden was president.......just sayin.....


.

And you sorry lot are stinking to high heaven from your hero's bullshit!

The WHOLE world is laughing!

What an UTTER FUCKWIT!

Trump was a miserable failure in Afghanistan. A miserable failure. I'm going to take a pass On Trump's criticism of any other Presidents foreign entanglements.

I do think that Europe, especially Poland did do the heavy lifting. Biden gave cover for them to do it. Biden showed in the debate that he was not particularly coherent. That being said, Biden also didn't try and interfere with what Poland and the rest of Europe were trying to do.

The effect on Ukraine of Trump is that he's not tacitly supporting what the NATO nations are doing.

Saeed, I am a bit surprised at you. You should be cheering Trump because he's not supporting a war... your position at the beginning of this. You were against taking Russian assets in other countries via forfeiture and confiscation. Trump is saying you were right and Biden was wrong and now he's the MAGA Fuckwit? He's doing what you wanted us to do at the beginning... You are being hypocritical by your desire to make fun of any other nation's politics.

Not that there isn't a lot you can term fuckwitted in US politics.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

Oh boy! The lefties are gonna duck and dodge now!!!!

Lets see???? Putin rolled when Obama was president and when Biden was president.......just sayin.....


.

And you sorry lot are stinking to high heaven from your hero's bullshit!

The WHOLE world is laughing!

What an UTTER FUCKWIT!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

we all know trump has done nothing and it is never his fault lol ... even if he promised to fix within 24 hours lol ... hard to defend your supreme leader ... but we all know you did not vote for him and not his supporter lol like many others that voted for him ...

Simple,, it's a simple question. Prove you aren't the village idiots

By that logic the recent earthquake in Myanmar was Trumps fault. Happened on his watch, therefore it’s his fault?

Amongst Trumps recent stupid statements, “ you don’t start a war with someone 20 times your size and hope we are going to give you missiles”. So now apparently Zelensky started it. Every time he opens his mouth something stupid comes out. Gives the rest of the world something to laugh about I guess.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

we all know trump has done nothing and it is never his fault lol ... even if he promised to fix within 24 hours lol ... hard to defend your supreme leader ... but we all know you did not vote for him and not his supporter lol like many others that voted for him ...

Simple,, it's a simple question. Prove you aren't the village idiots

nothing to prove especially to you that always find an angle to defend trump actions ...

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Trump was a miserable failure in Afghanistan. A miserable failure. I'm going to take a pass On Trump's criticism of any other Presidents foreign entanglements.

WRONG!

AMERICA!

REPEAT, AMERICA has been a miserable failure in ALL wars they have illegally started!

Get their sorry arse handed to them

Time and time again!

Then they top it all by appointing a draft dodging coward commander in chief!

there are tiimes when you can win war on the military side but not on the policital nor opinion side ...

it is harder for western democracies for the last 2 and way easier for countries that do not to worry about opinion or political debates.

not trying to give excuse just some explanations ...

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Originally posted by medved:
there are tiimes when you can win war on the military side but not on the policital nor opinion side ...

it is harder for western democracies for the last 2 and way easier for countries that do not to worry about opinion or political debates.

not trying to give excuse just some explanations ...

And that's why it's so important for the Commander in Chief to pursue victory in war and ignore all else. (Assuming the war is right or justified,)

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:
there are tiimes when you can win war on the military side but not on the policital nor opinion side ...

it is harder for western democracies for the last 2 and way easier for countries that do not to worry about opinion or political debates.

not trying to give excuse just some explanations ...

And that's why it's so important for the Commander in Chief to pursue victory in war and ignore all else. (Assuming the war is right or justified,)

depending on which side you are the wars are really rarely justified ... unless you need to test some weapons or removing the old stocks not used anymore ...

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:
there are tiimes when you can win war on the military side but not on the policital nor opinion side ...

it is harder for western democracies for the last 2 and way easier for countries that do not to worry about opinion or political debates.

not trying to give excuse just some explanations ...

And that's why it's so important for the Commander in Chief to pursue victory in war and ignore all else. (Assuming the war is right or justified,)

And in ignoring all else we become no better than the authoritarian regimes we hate.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Can he lie more vigorously? Don't tempt him. When it comes to lying he is an overacheiver.

Who was potus when it started, oh King of dwarves

Oh boy! The lefties are gonna duck and dodge now!!!!

Lets see???? Putin rolled when Obama was president and when Biden was president.......just sayin.....


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Poor dumb Jim. Tell all of us how your orange shit-gibbon has reined in Putin......just sayin......

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Originally posted by nute:


And that's why it's so important for the Commander in Chief to pursue victory in war and ignore all else. (Assuming the war is right or justified,)

And in ignoring all else we become no better than the authoritarian regimes we hate.[/QUOTE]

Not true in any fashion.
The Commander in Chief is bound to elections, two other legs of government, impeachment etc,....

We, you and I have suffered repeated, redundant defeat by yielding to opinion polls, fringe protest, public outcry, community umbrage, the 24 hour news cycle and on.

If a commander is sure of their intention, is confident in their task and purpose they should attack full steam ahead and be not just prepared but comfortable and willing to suffer the consequences.

I guess at your place a prime minister can be voted out of office anytime and I guess that's ok. Here they've got two years or less to get it done and get it done completely in two years or less and absolutely should!

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The Commander in Chief is used to be bound to elections

Now it’s more of a ‘maybe’. Like he says, “We’ll see!”

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Originally posted by Scott King:

If a commander is sure of their intention, is confident in their task and purpose they should attack full steam ahead and be not just prepared but comfortable and willing to suffer the consequences.

Here they've got two years or less to get it done and get it done completely in two years or less and absolutely should!

I'm a bit surprised to read you say that.

There is no person more assured and confident of purpose and willing to take risks and attack full steam than Trump.

The thing that's missing is the willingness to suffer the consequences, or perhaps more importantly, failure.

IMO, it's just like when the Founders created the country and rule of law - failure was not an option.

With Trump, the destruction, failure is not an option.

There is no way he will suffer failure. He and Fox, Newsmax, etc will spin it, and many will believe it.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

If a commander is sure of their intention, is confident in their task and purpose they should attack full steam ahead and be not just prepared but comfortable and willing to suffer the consequences.

Here they've got two years or less to get it done and get it done completely in two years or less and absolutely should!

I'm a bit surprised to read you say that.

There is no person more assured and confident of purpose and willing to take risks and attack full steam than Trump.

The thing that's missing is the willingness to suffer the consequences, or perhaps more importantly, failure.

IMO, it's just like when the Founders created the country and rule of law - failure was not an option.

With Trump, the destruction, failure is not an option.

There is no way he will suffer failure. He and Fox, Newsmax, etc will spin it, and many will believe it.

If We the People or the other branches of government don't hold the Commander in Chief responsible and accountable America has only itself to blame.

I certainly can't control what the rest of my fellow Americans think say and do.
I hold myself and consider myself accountable to my friends, family, coworkers and neighbors, I realize many others do not.

Trump is pressing full steam ahead on his immigration policy, rounding up people who have the legal right to be in the US and turfing them out, apparently irrespective of what the judiciary thinks or says.

Whats to stop the same applying in other situations.

He is sure of his intention...

Things are rarely black and white, and in reality are shades of grey. Some here have no issue with what trump is doing and they would argue his actions meet your definition of "sure of his intention etc", but others find it deeply troubling.

It seems he can just ignore the ruling by the courts as he wishes. Is this because he is confident as POTUS he cannot be prosecuted for his actions and is therefore safe unless impeached (and we saw how effective that was)?

Nothing stops him from doing this denying recognized rights to any other situation.

Congress can impeach dnd remove.

Technically, the Fed courts can hold him in contempt, maybe?

Congress is complicit.

I think the American people should familiarize themselves with the term ‘political dissident’.

It soon might make the difference of whether you reside in the U.S. or El Salvador.