I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

I'm "so called devout" but didn't vote for or favor Trump.

I think there was a ton of propaganda successfully sold. I think it was that simple.

There are devout Christians that actually practice what is preached. Obviously not perfect, but they don't cheat, don't steal, love their neighbors and God. Sinfull? Yes. Evil? No. These folks found Clinton odious and Obama foreign, no pun intended.

So the above won't vote Democrat and are given a guy like Trump as an alternative. Almost nobody reads news anymore, it's all opinion and editorial, so they get sold on the, " God uses imperfect people", "Trump loves America", and of course it the "Deep state" or Lame Stream Media routine. And most importantly, all the above has actual historical truth.

So they blind themselves to independent thought and buy into the Fox opinion.

There was a fellow on here that was conservative, but I disagreed with frequently that asked me several times if I hadn't seen, "The Five" on Fox speaking to a topic and why in the heck not. It used to floor me that he'd ask since,......well,........ I work! I play outside! I have a life away from the idiot box! Who in the fuck sits around on a beautiful blue sky day watching tv? God save us and pardon my French.

But they buy the opinion, trump is Sampson/ King David/ Jonah and make check payable to,....

It's marketing, sales.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

Hell Man, you voted for Trump.

trump's "appeal" and popularity is a mystery that people will be talking about for a long time. A buffoonish idiot who has hypnotized half the country.

Very difficult for me to understand.

Fascist Fodder, and all the associated baggage.

That's a summary explanation of the fact that so many people are vulnerable to Trump or a clone/clown, and Fox News, Newsmax, etc.

That's not a full answer, since it only explains the effect but not the cause.

The cause is psychological so I can only speculate therein for lack of qualifications. But it's associate with the cause of cults, and the historical rise of fascism.

IMO, it's rather sick and sickening. It's toxic. We have been underestimating it for too long. Now it may be too late to turn it around or at least in a benevolent direction.

The GOP, for example, is using extreme creativity, and deflection, in rallying in support of Trump, and millions listen to Fox and believe all these indictments are farce, politically motivated, etc. Many if not most of such people still believe Trump won the election.

There are too many associated and various beliefs to list of such people that HAVE to be held firmly in order to get to the place they are supporting Trump in any way.

All these associated beliefs are somehow at stake too for such people. Even admitting a mistake is ID shaking. So, it's psychological.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

Hell Man, you voted for Trump. [/QUOTE

Yep, I did. I frankly wasn’t concerned about his lack of morals but when the stolen election/J6 bullshit started, I drew the line. At that point his lying and narcissism became overwhelming.

Trump and Trumpism is in my view sorta like a test of character, for one thing, morals too maybe, etc.

It's a way of sorting out. Some pass the test, some do not.

Mistakes are forgivable. Admitting mistakes and correcting are commendable.

I'm bewildered that Trumpism isn't self-correcting, vastly, but instead mostly doubling down.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
trump's "appeal" and popularity is a mystery that people will be talking about for a long time. A buffoonish idiot who has hypnotized half the country.

Very difficult for me to understand.

It not really that hard to understand. it all comes down to human nature. All humans have needs is hope and something to believe in. Humans very easily get into a kind of disillusioned state. Once in that state they are looking for hope and something to believe in. the first person to come along and offer that they latch on to. This is how cults are made. If you look at history all the cults and movements (Jim Jones, Manson, Hitler etc.) started with a charismatic person who told people what they wanted to hear. Once they got sucked into the cult or movement then they were the true believers, and no amount of logic could convince them they were wrong. Again that is human nature.

So if you look back in history and look at the amount of disillusioned people today it is really not hard to understand.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Hebrews 11:1-6

BTW, MtElkHunter, these are the same people who work hard at preventing their children and other's from learning critical thinking in schools.

It's practically the same thing, prosecuting Trump, as if Jim Jones or David Koresh had been indicted and prosecuted. The followers would not have changed their minds, and their cult leader in their view was persecuted.

As we know, the followers died holding onto their ID and beliefs.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4d829a3544ab03&ei=16

Former Trump lawyer mocked for invoking God after indictment: 'Honor the Lord by not racketeering'
Story by Brad Reed •
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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
trump's "appeal" and popularity is a mystery that people will be talking about for a long time. A buffoonish idiot who has hypnotized half the country.

Very difficult for me to understand.

It not really that hard to understand. it all comes down to human nature. All humans have needs is hope and something to believe in. Humans very easily get into a kind of disillusioned state. Once in that state they are looking for hope and something to believe in. the first person to come along and offer that they latch on to. This is how cults are made. If you look at history all the cults and movements (Jim Jones, Manson, Hitler etc.) started with a charismatic person who told people what they wanted to hear. Once they got sucked into the cult or movement then they were the true believers, and no amount of logic could convince them they were wrong. Again that is human nature.

So if you look back in history and look at the amount of disillusioned people today it is really not hard to understand.

It is not just about giving someone hope. It is about giving someone, someone else to blame.

Hitler with Jewish population, mentally challenged being a drain, Poles, Reichstag Fire, and Russians. The conspiracy with German propaganda made or tried to make everyone Nazis Germany went to war with sub-human to the populace and soldiers.

Sen. Romney and Sen McCain refused to engage in the vilification of the Left. Sen. McCain expressly on the campaign trail rebuked such attitudes when supporters suggested such to him.

The result was the voter was not energized or mobilized to turn out to win. Now, along comes President Trump and becomes the champion of that movement. He wins by giving in and fueling it.

It being this attitude that Sen. McCain rejected.

McCain passed his wireless microphone to one woman who said, “I can’t trust Obama. I have read about him and he’s not, he’s not uh — he’s an Arab. He’s not — " before McCain retook the microphone and replied:

“No, ma’am. He’s a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign’s all about. He’s not [an Arab].”

Lakeville, Minn., Friday night.

In addition to the man who said he feared Obama as president, another predicted the Democrat would “lead the country to socialism.”

“The time has come and the Bible tells us you speak the truth, and that the truth sets you free,” the man added.

Yet another voter implored McCain in plain terms; “The people here in Minnesota want to see a real fight.”

For this, McCain was booed and shouted at. As if one cannot be a good American and of Arab descent.

https://www.politico.com/story...ab-crowd-boos-014479

President Trump is not the disease. President Trump is a symptom. The above is. We have met the enemy, and he is us.

President Trump is just telling them what they already believe.

Within that there is the dictate they they must have political power. That their view is the only legitimate view. For them to be defeated is to defeat God and Country. It is a very monolithic society. That when they loose something nefarious had to be at work because God is on their side, and the Bible tells them so. Hence, the “leader” must do combat against the identified source of hate. As long as the leader can deliver this political power nothing else is of consequence.

Bottom line for them there in no place for the opposition. The opposition is not American, ungodly, too open, should not count as much as them, and the Old Lies of the Constitution” that the Confederacy tried to remove must be stopped.

Those old lies being equality of person, equal citizenship, one person one vote (Alabama Gerrymandering Case).

Again, these are things I did not believe had a voting sway in the GOP. President Trump, Jan 6, and yes; what I have seen on AR have disillusioned me if that belief.

The quotes above are the voting majority; not outliers

I quote an older friend of mine that grew up in GA, educated in the South, life long Republican, PHD in Political Science, and my teacher. “ I do not know what has happened to my Party.” When he said that, I disagreed with him. Now, I do not.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Trump and Trumpism is in my view sorta like a test of character, for one thing, morals too maybe, etc.

It's a way of sorting out. Some pass the test, some do not.

You’re just more evolved than they are... Better, you’re just a better person than they could ever be.

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You’re just more evolved than they are... Better, you’re just a better person than they could ever be.

BS. You're just messing with me.

I don't know how you did the above post, unintentional, supposedly quoting me. But it's a partial quote, with no separation of your response, as shown above.

I think you intentionally mis-quoted me.

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It's a matter of choices, and the basis.

I choose differently than Trumpsters, for reasons which also differ.

I condemn their choices, not the persons. And that's mostly looking at the consequences or outcomes, and thinking about what such choices conflict with in my sense of right and wrong.

I study their justifications, and think about how they got there - what motivates them.

IMO, there is no justification for Trump.

I wonder how much Trump campaign contributions went with this latest indictment?? Absolutely pathetic. Trump et al are making lawyering a growth industry…

I find the responses recorded in this Atlanta suburb noteworthy.

There are 3 older, white make republicans. One seems to be a pure Trumper who believe we need a man of integrity and character.

The other two are more moderate. They do not like the call. However, if President Trump is nominated, they say they will vote for President Trump.

https://apple.news/ANOW6Wa97Rtq-sU9J7Uxqbw

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

In 2016 "Not Hillary" drew more votes than "Not Trump".

In 2020 "Not Trump" drew more votes than "Not Biden".

Not very Complicated. Not very Nice. Nicer Explanations were needed, Nicer Explanations were devised.

Hunter Thompson said as long as we were willing to vote for the lesser of two evils, the evils would get worse.

In 2024, the lesser of two evils may be intolerable.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

Jerry -

have you ever had a private conversation with someone where you said something to the effect, "Man, I'd like to nail that shit!"? I'm pretty sure, we all have.

I will agree Trump has NO character, he's made fun of the disabled (and I have a disabled son)He's cheated on his wife, numerous times.

I have no patience for that shit.

But that statement carries no weight for me.

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And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse….

Well, obviously, there are other goats/topics/ways for deflection.

Apologists will find a way, BTW, much of which IMO is more about saving face than supporting Trump; saving face unto themselves if nothing more.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
trump's "appeal" and popularity is a mystery that people will be talking about for a long time. A buffoonish idiot who has hypnotized half the country.

Very difficult for me to understand.

It not really that hard to understand. it all comes down to human nature. All humans have needs is hope and something to believe in. Humans very easily get into a kind of disillusioned state. Once in that state they are looking for hope and something to believe in. the first person to come along and offer that they latch on to. This is how cults are made. If you look at history all the cults and movements (Jim Jones, Manson, Hitler etc.) started with a charismatic person who told people what they wanted to hear. Once they got sucked into the cult or movement then they were the true believers, and no amount of logic could convince them they were wrong. Again that is human nature.

So if you look back in history and look at the amount of disillusioned people today it is really not hard to understand.

It is not just about giving someone hope. It is about giving someone, someone else to blame.

Hitler with Jewish population, mentally challenged being a drain, Poles, Reichstag Fire, and Russians. The conspiracy with German propaganda made or tried to make everyone Nazis Germany went to war with sub-human to the populace and soldiers.

Sen. Romney and Sen McCain refused to engage in the vilification of the Left. Sen. McCain expressly on the campaign trail rebuked such attitudes when supporters suggested such to him.

The result was the voter was not energized or mobilized to turn out to win. Now, along comes President Trump and becomes the champion of that movement. He wins by giving in and fueling it.

It being this attitude that Sen. McCain rejected.

McCain passed his wireless microphone to one woman who said, “I can’t trust Obama. I have read about him and he’s not, he’s not uh — he’s an Arab. He’s not — " before McCain retook the microphone and replied:

“No, ma’am. He’s a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign’s all about. He’s not [an Arab].”

Lakeville, Minn., Friday night.

In addition to the man who said he feared Obama as president, another predicted the Democrat would “lead the country to socialism.”

“The time has come and the Bible tells us you speak the truth, and that the truth sets you free,” the man added.

Yet another voter implored McCain in plain terms; “The people here in Minnesota want to see a real fight.”

For this, McCain was booed and shouted at. As if one cannot be a good American and of Arab descent.

https://www.politico.com/story...ab-crowd-boos-014479

President Trump is not the disease. President Trump is a symptom. The above is. We have met the enemy, and he is us.

President Trump is just telling them what they already believe.

Within that there is the dictate they they must have political power. That their view is the only legitimate view. For them to be defeated is to defeat God and Country. It is a very monolithic society. That when they loose something nefarious had to be at work because God is on their side, and the Bible tells them so. Hence, the “leader” must do combat against the identified source of hate. As long as the leader can deliver this political power nothing else is of consequence.

Bottom line for them there in no place for the opposition. The opposition is not American, ungodly, too open, should not count as much as them, and the Old Lies of the Constitution” that the Confederacy tried to remove must be stopped.

Those old lies being equality of person, equal citizenship, one person one vote (Alabama Gerrymandering Case).

Again, these are things I did not believe had a voting sway in the GOP. President Trump, Jan 6, and yes; what I have seen on AR have disillusioned me if that belief.

The quotes above are the voting majority; not outliers

I quote an older friend of mine that grew up in GA, educated in the South, life long Republican, PHD in Political Science, and my teacher. “ I do not know what has happened to my Party.” When he said that, I disagreed with him. Now, I do not.

I agree. I was just trying to keep it simple. A lot of members of this forum like people all over the world will shut off if an answer is to complex. Having an intellectual discussion with most people is not easy because there are a lot of people that are unarmed. For that reason, among others, I follow the KISS principle.

I appreciate that. I also fail to do it more often than not.

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I follow the KISS principle

That's generally a good mode for the reasons you stated. I wish I could follow it more.

At least it's worth the attitude.

And I'm busy wondering how anybody voted for an idiot duo like biden and kamala????

And how democrats remain in lock step in covering for the idiots....man! Talk about cultists????

Who's covering for who?

When we can sort out the condemning evidence from the Rightists' BS, then let's talk.

What I want my evangelical Christian friends to know about Trump


What I want my evangelical Christian friends to know about Trump | Opinion
By Issac Bailey

In the eyes of a significant number of white evangelical Christians, loyalty to Donald Trump is more important than following Jesus.

Trump is their Savior now.

It’s not hyperbole. It’s a sad reality in which we find ourselves, why the country hasn’t been able to move on from one of the most destructive political forces of the modern era.

I didn’t need media intelligence firm Zignal Labs and The Associated Press to tell me. They conducted an analysis of online and social media content earlier this year and found “tens of thousands of mentions calling Trump a martyr” when Trump faced his first indictment in New York during the Christian Holy Week. That number doubled when Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene compared Trump’s arrest to the literal persecution of Christ.

“Trump is joining some of the most incredible people in history being arrested today,” the congresswoman told Right Side Broadcasting. “Nelson Mandela was arrested, served time in prison. Jesus — Jesus was arrested and murdered by the Roman government.”

I was at the New York courthouse in the days and hours leading up to Trump’s first arraigned. It was more circus and spectacle than crucifixion or execution.

Neither did I need Russell Moore, a former top official in the Southern Baptist Convention and current editor-in-chief of Christianity Today magazine, to tell me. Because I saw the beginnings of it during the end of my 17-year-long membership in a mostly-white Evangelical church in Conway, S.C. Because I noticed the shift in my daily interactions with people I once prayed with long before Moore recently told NPR that he believes Christianity is in crisis.

“It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — ‘turn the other cheek’ — [and] to have someone come up after to say, ‘Where did you get those liberal talking points?’ Moore told Scott Detrow of NPR. “And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak.’ And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

They’ve told pastors Jesus is weak, or at least his message, and that Trump is strong. They seem to believe following Trump instead of Jesus will get them to a promised land of glory and power quicker.

Or maybe they think, like that Zignal Labs analysis suggests, Trump is Jesus or a Jesus-like figure, though not the version who was born in a manger, hung out with the unclean, and washed other people’s feet to model humility and the importance of “the least of these.” Maybe in their minds, Trump is the Jesus of Revelation. He’s the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords with a sword in his mouth who has come back to judge the righteous and unrighteous, to wage war.

“I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end,” Jesus declared in Revelation, the final book of the New Testament.

During the 2016 Republican National Convention, Trump declared: “I have joined the political arena so that the powerful can no longer beat up on people who cannot defend themselves. Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.”

Two thousand years ago, Jesus voluntarily became a sacrificial lamb, giving his life to save us from our sins. Trump voluntarily relinquished a billionaire’s lap of luxury — and even his salary as president — to save the country from its sins, they’ve argued while praising him. (Never mind the hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign actors his family made while he was in the White House, and since.)

Like Jesus, despite all Trump has had to endure — such as supposedly having an election stolen from him — the former president is still standing, still fighting evil on their behalf. In their view, Christians who oppose Trump are blind and don’t realize he was sent for a time like this to fight powers and principalities, not to improve the short-term political fortunes of the elite.

A return to the White House would be like Jesus’; his garment will be stained with his enemies’ blood.

The horror that was Jan. 6, 2021 likely emboldened them rather than shocked their conscience. It’s why they view every Trump indictment not as democracy working as intended, upholding the principle that no man is above the law, but as akin to a lash from a Roman soldier’s whip on Jesus’ back.

I wish it weren’t true. But it is.

It’s a mindset similar to the one that convinced Edgar Maddison Welch to drive from North Carolina to a Washington, D.C., pizza parlor, convinced he had to save children from an imaginary satanic child sex ring funded and operated by Democrats.

He was armed with an AR-15 rifle and a pistol, and fired a shot inside Comet Ping Pong, only to realize too late he had been taken in by a hoax. He was sentenced to four years in prison.

I hope those who’ve come to believe Trump is here to save us wake up before it’s too late for us all.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

Show me a Democrat who is morally/ethically superior!?

That is the point! Politics is a dirty business. Might as well fight on the side that puts forth policy you like.

President Joe Biden vs President Trump. As played out when President Biden hammered down every objection to President Trump’s electoral victory. Compared to President Trump’s actions post election.

Or how you would treat Gay people under the law, or how you would permit the State to force other people’s children to say the state approved prayer, or folks carrying unviable fetus. None of those positions are morally superior.

I am no Biden fan, but as between Trump and Biden, Biden is clearly the taller of the two midgets when it comes to being morally/ethically superior. But compared to Trump that is a pretty low bar to chin.

Mjines you are correct. What is sad is how low the bar is to refute President Trump’s morality and ethics in even to cold political sense.

Neither of you really have any idea…any more than I.

And I disagree.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

Show me a Democrat who is morally/ethically superior!?

That is the point! Politics is a dirty business. Might as well fight on the side that puts forth policy you like.

This dovetails nicely into the discussion we were having some months ago about why Church attendance is down and that those who have left the Church cites hypocrisy as the reason. Very similar to why many Reagan conservatives have left the GOP.

The attempts to justify Trump's behavior are simply pathetic.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Neither of you really have any idea…any more than I.

So we are left to make an informed judgment based on the objective factors we can observe and see demonstrated by both. No question, Biden is the taller of the two midgets judged against that standard.

I don’t rationalize things. I really don’t think or worry about it much. I pick the guy with the policy I see as the correct path. In morality and ethics…I see few (inferring none) people north of Richmond who should throw stones.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Neither of you really have any idea…any more than I.

So we are left to make an informed judgment based on the objective favors we can observe and see demonstrated by both. No question, Biden is the taller of the two midgets judged against that standard.

I see it 180 with one having pretty good policy.

False equivalency and obfuscation at its finest Lane.

Trump is as amoral of a man as they come. Biden is certainly nothing to brag about but he stands tall compared the orange grifter.

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Originally posted by skb:
False equivalency and obfuscation at its finest Lane.

Trump is as amoral of a man as they come. Biden is certainly nothing to brag about but he stands tall compared the orange grifter.

Your opinion. I disagree.

I’ll take the one with sound policy. I spend zero time dwelling on the rest.

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I’ll take the one with sound policy. I spend zero time dwelling on the rest.

it is what analytical voters do--

Hence my reference to Trump's amorality and hypocrisy being the reason many have left both the GOP and the Church. You are a walking exemplification of that hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

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I’ll take the one with sound policy. I spend zero time dwelling on the rest.

it is what analytical voters do--

Some of us are both analytical and have morals. Try it sometime, you might like it.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m wondering how the so-called devout Christians on this forum rationalize their support of Trump when it’s obvious he is anything but a Christian? “Grab them by the pussy, find me 11,780 votes” is a Christian??Really?? So his fiscal policy trumps( pun intended) his obvious failure as a decent human being, much less his Christian faith?? I seem to recall a Bible quote as render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I guess in some quarters Caesar is the more important of the two. And please don’t try deflection that slo Jo is worse…..

Jerry -

have you ever had a private conversation with someone where you said something to the effect, "Man, I'd like to nail that shit!"? I'm pretty sure, we all have.

I will agree Trump has NO character, he's made fun of the disabled (and I have a disabled son)He's cheated on his wife, numerous times.

I have no patience for that shit.

But that statement carries no weight for me.

You have a good point, but there's a fundamental difference between saying, "I'd like to nail her," and, "Grab them by the pussy" plus "You can do anything" if you're a star.

One implies contempt for women, making objects of them to satisfy his sexual impulses. The other only implies desire, a wish.

And "I'd like to nail her" doesn't relate the actual act of nailing the woman. Whereas, Trump actually does grab women by their pussies.

Can't you see the difference?

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

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I’ll take the one with sound policy. I spend zero time dwelling on the rest.

it is what analytical voters do--

Analytical voters vote for a candidate that fomented a riot and the take-over of the US Capital while lying about election results?

Sounds more like brain-washed cult members.