"Americans were sleep-marched into fascism"

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03 February 2025, 18:22

Jefffive

"Americans were sleep-marched into fascism"

quote:
Donald Trump’s first weeks back in office have been a whirlwind of chaos and political destruction. This is by design and one of the central features of the “shock and awe” strategy that Trump and his allies have been planning for years, as detailed in Project 2025 and Agenda 47, to undermine American democracy and replace it with a form of autocracy if not outright authoritarianism. This strategy is being rapidly enacted through such actions as the almost 100 executive orders that include voiding the 14th Amendment, declaring a national emergency for Trump’s mass deportation plan, gutting the Department of Justice, seemingly as part of a plan to get revenge on his personal “enemies,” firing inspectors generals en masse, reversing 60 years of progress in civil and human rights and freezing federal loans and grants.

Link

"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump

04 February 2025, 04:26

M.Shy

I respectfully disagree with that notion
We need shock and awe to wake up from Dems utopia/la la land

Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two

04 February 2025, 04:39

JTEX

Feefee is a nut.....

06 February 2025, 05:45

Magine Enigam

I agree with the OP premise.

Some sleep-marched, and others willfully marched. Neither acknowledged it. Now we're here.

I tried to select articles and one video that says what needs to be said.

This first article gives perspective to the big picture.

https://robertreich.substack.c...rue&utm_medium=email

How not to describe the Trump presidency
Robert Reich
Feb 04, 2025

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ns_of_the_comparison

Donald Trump and fascism

https://youtu.be/q2gJvnzv8gg?si=t2iQHAyqc9ZBEU1o

Can fascism be American?

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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus

06 February 2025, 06:07

jeffeosso

all of it started in 2008 - and yes, the dems have slept walked through it --

twain said something about it's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been a damn fool, or words to that effect

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06 February 2025, 18:14

Magine Enigam

quote:
it's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been a damn fool

That's a good one!

Trump has shown us how that works. Damn fools are easier to fool, over and over, and they are unrepentant, preferring to be fooled again to cover or save face for prior foolishness.

Blaming Obama for the national foolishness of voting for Trump is a good clue.

06 February 2025, 18:27

Magine Enigam

https://robertreich.substack.c...rue&utm_medium=email

How not to describe the Trump presidency
Robert Reich
Feb 04, 2025

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I posted the link to this article before, but didn't dwell on it.

The article starts with a critique of another author's article. I read that article before and noted that there are several like it. It's sort of shocking to me.

I didn't see the words fascist or fascism in Robert Reich's article. He was descriptive in other ways.

06 February 2025, 18:46

Magine Enigam

Here's something to think about:

Remember the quote from Machiavelli:

AI Overview

The quote "It's better to be feared than loved" is attributed to Niccolò Machiavelli, a Renaissance political philosopher, and appears in his book "The Prince" where he argues that fear can be a more reliable tool for maintaining power than love, especially when a leader cannot be both feared and loved.

Key points about the quote:
Context:
Machiavelli believed that while ideally a leader should be both loved and feared, if forced to choose, fear is more effective because people are more likely to obey out of fear of punishment than out of genuine affection.

Interpretation:
This quote is often seen as advocating for a ruthless and manipulative leadership style, where leaders use intimidation to control their subjects.

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I have linked Trump with the Dark Triad personality before.

As a reminder: "The term 'Dark Triad' refers to a trio of negative personality traits—narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy—which share some common malevolent features. The construct was coined by researchers Delroy L. Paulhus and Kevin M. Williams in 2002."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dark-triad

In describing the personality some have used the word "sadist" and "paranoid" in addition to the three characteristics above.

Trump demonstrates them all and probably more.

For Trump Power is discretion to mete out punishments and rewards.

So, here's how it all comes together in practice:

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https://robertreich.substack.c...to-know-about-trumps

What you need to know about Trump’s tariffs and the rest of Trump’s madness
The art of the deal, with him as dealer
Robert Reich
Feb 03, 2025

(excerpts)

The point is the show — so the world knows it’s dealing with someone who’s willing to mete out big punishments. Trump increases his power by demonstrating he has the power and is willing to use it.

Why did Trump stop foreign aid? Not because it’s wasteful. In fact, it helps stabilize the world and reduces the spread of communicable diseases. The real reason Trump stopped foreign aid is he wants to show he can.

Why is he disregarding (or threatening to tear up) treaties and agreements (the Paris Agreement, NATO, whatever)? Not because such treaties and agreements are bad for America. To the contrary, they’re in America’s best interest.

The real reason Trump is tearing up treaties is they tie Trump’s hands and thereby limit his discretion to mete out punishments and rewards.

Don’t think of these as individual “policies.” Think of them together as shows of Trump’s strength.

If some senior Republican members of Congress object that he’s stepping on congressional prerogatives, so what? It’s an opportunity to show them who’s boss.

If a federal court temporarily stops him, so what? He’ll go right on doing it and demonstrate that the courts are powerless to stop him.

Look behind what’s happening and you’ll see that Trump is employing two techniques to gain more power than any U.S. president has ever wielded.

What’s next? Who knows? That’s the whole point.

How else to explain the bizarre deference — cowardice — we’re seeing among CEOs, the media, almost all Republican and even some Democratic lawmakers? Presumably, they’re all saying to themselves: “He could do anything, so let’s be especially careful.”

Musk, Bezos, and Zuckerberg kiss his derriere. Bill Gates is “frankly impressed” with him. Jamie Dimon, chief of JPMorganChase, decides he’s “not all wrong.”

Nearly 50 House Democrats support a bill targeting undocumented immigrants charged with nonviolent crimes for deportation. What?

In 1517, Niccolò Machiavelli argued that sometimes it is “a very wise thing to simulate madness” (Discourses on Livy, book 3, chapter 2). In his 1962 book, Thinking About the Unthinkable, futurist Herman Kahn argued that to “look a little crazy” might be an effective way to induce an adversary to stand down.

The “rule of law” is all about predictability. We need predictability to be free.

But much of what Trump is doing is either illegal yet will take months or years before the courts decide so, or is in the gray area of “probably illegal but untested by the courts.” Which suits his strategy just fine.

The media calls it “chaos,” which is how various people and institutions experience it.

The practical consequence is that an increasing number of so-called “leaders” — in the private, public, and nonprofit sectors, and around the world — are telling their boards, overseers, trustees, or legislatures: “We have to give Trump whatever he wants and even try to anticipate his wants, because who knows how he’ll react if we don’t?”

Together, these two techniques — big demonstrations of discretionary power to reward or punish, and wild uncertainty about when or how he’ll do so — expand Trump’s power beyond the point any president has ever pushed power.

Which brings us to the obvious question: Why is Trump so obsessed with enlarging his power?

Hint: It’s not about improving the well-being of average Americans and certainly not about making America great again (whatever that means).

Yes, he’s a malignant narcissist and sadist with an insatiable lust for power who gets pleasure out of making others squirm.

But there’s something else.

The bigger his demonstrable power and the more unpredictably he wields it, the greater his ability to trade some of that power with people with huge amounts of wealth, both in the United States and elsewhere.

I’m referring to America’s billionaires, such as Elon Musk and the 13 other billionaires Trump has installed in his regime, as well as the 744 other billionaires in America, and the 9,850 Americans with at least $100 million in net worth.

Together, these individuals have a huge storehouse of wealth. Many are willing to trade some of it to gain even more, and to tie down what they have more securely.

They give Trump (and his family) business deals, information, campaign money, and positive PR (propaganda). In return, he gives them tax cuts, regulatory rollbacks, and suspensions of antitrust.

I’m also referring to oligarchs in Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia. He gives them special trade deals, energy deals, intelligence deals, access to global deposits of riches; or he threatens to hold them back. In return, they give him (and his family) business deals, information, support in political campaigns, and more covert propaganda.

This is Trump’s game: Huge demonstrations of power that’s wielded unpredictably. They’re eliciting extraordinary deals for Trump and his family, domestically and worldwide.

Trump says he’s doing this for American workers. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He’s doing this for himself and for the world’s oligarchy, which, in turn, is busily siphoning off the wealth of the world.

How to stop this? The first step is to understand it.

06 February 2025, 21:56

crbutler

While Trump is certainly a Republican issue, remind me again…

Don’t we have an election?

Didn’t the democrats think they had the best candidate immaculated to defeat him?

You can claim Trump lies. It’s out there and everyone can see what he is like.

Every Republican here will admit that Trump does things they don’t agree with, so it’s not Trump pulling the wool over every one’s eyes.

It’s that the policies and direction the democrats were espousing was enough that the majority of the people who voted went for the other guy. I essentially sat out this election because I didn’t like DJT - mainly his style and flaws are repugnant. But while Harris and Walz personal styles and habits are not as obnoxious as Trump’s, their policies were every bit as toxic to me.

You lefties seem to have a problem. You can’t admit that most of the populace doesn’t care for the extremes the democrats carry their agenda, and are unwilling to moderate it.

The democrats and republicans both tend to behave in lockstep with their party. I do see more republicans willing to disagree with individual issues than democrats. That says something bad about democrat politicians.

06 February 2025, 22:58

Magine Enigam

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It’s that the policies and direction the democrats were espousing was enough that the majority of the people who voted went for the other guy.

But while Harris and Walz personal styles and habits are not as obnoxious as Trump’s, their policies were every bit as toxic to me.

So, Doc, I quoted part of your post that seems to summarize.

You think it was policies and so-deemed direction that decided the election outcome.

And you admit that Trump is a liar. Well, he's not just a liar, he's a BIG LIAR.

The election was close. IMO, it's logical and "normal" that elections should be swayed mostly by ideology and associated policy. There is a lot of undercurrents there.

However, certainly even you know and understand that this past election had the influence of Trump's lies overshadowing it. The amount of propaganda and spin/sway narratives GOPers magaphoned from Trump's lies into persuasive narratives IMO is unprecedented. That also includes Fox News propaganda, and Newsmax, etc. The lawfare narrative lie being the top, among others. It was a constant stream and carries on today.

So, I think you are dreaming, and in denial of the reality that this past election was carried and won by lies and belief thereof.

Do you think Trump's retribution is policy? In large part that's what he ran on. GOPers approved when they voted and now. There's much more.

06 February 2025, 23:11

fulvio

When it comes to running an election campaign the candidates will all be peddling their best brand of snake oil.

07 February 2025, 01:37

crbutler

ME, everyone knows politicians lie. Trump’s lies are so obvious that if you can’t see them, you are blind. Harris was lying every bit as often as Trump, but certainly not to the degree of hyperbole that Trump did.

I don’t think many voters brought in to Trump’s “facts” but rather knew that Biden/Harris were offering more of the same and wanted out.

With how Trump is doing things now, the democrats only need to select a candidate that is mostly middle of the road and the Dems will have a landslide. However, if they keep on pushing a small subgroup’s agenda, it’s liable to be close, with the Dems coming out on top due to too many sacred cows being gored by Trump and co.

That DOGE can find as much trouble this fast makes me wonder what all these IG watchdogs have been doing for the last 30 years.

I do think that the methods Musk and Trump are using is very concerning, but I’m also willing to admit that what we were doing allowed the waste to accumulate unchecked.

Over $100 B missing from Ukraine aid? Yet some here were defending giving this without any oversight over the current situation.

Trump booting folks over their political decision in apolitical positions has some support, but face it, there will be a corresponding bloodbath of Trump’s friends when the Dems get in again.

It’s a problem that some folks who were just doing what they were told to by the will of the people (through an elected person) are now being held responsible for the elected person’s bad judgement.

07 February 2025, 03:18

Magine Enigam

Doc, I ain't on board with a lot you say in the previous post. And you made some false equivalences.

For examples:

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Harris was lying every bit as often as Trump, but certainly not to the degree of hyperbole that Trump did.

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I don’t think many voters brought in to Trump’s “facts” but rather knew that Biden/Harris were offering more of the same and wanted out.

I already knew that you believed that. It's a two-part claim and I don't buy either.

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With how Trump is doing things now, the democrats only need to select a candidate that is mostly middle of the road and the Dems will have a landslide.

I don't think it's that simple.

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That DOGE can find as much trouble this fast makes me wonder what all these IG watchdogs have been doing for the last 30 years.

but I’m also willing to admit that what we were doing allowed the waste to accumulate unchecked.

The right has been trying to fuck up democracy/rule of law for 50 years. In case you're wondering - I don't make this up. https://www.google.com/search?...93AI&sclient=gws-wiz

What Musk and muskrats are doing is all ideological. They are not about "waste". Again, Rightist's definition of "waste" is all ideological and subjective, and it's a buzz word. And it's a trick word to get the sheple ideologues on board. What Musk is mostly about is setting up a win-win for the oligarchs.

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Trump booting folks over their political decision in apolitical positions has some support, but face it, there will be a corresponding bloodbath of Trump’s friends when the Dems get in again.

That a false equivalence. What Trump is doing is unprecedented. And there should never be a situation where career civil servants are flushed and replaced at the political whim especially based on loyalty to one person or ideology. That's fascist.

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It’s a problem that some folks who were just doing what they were told to by the will of the people (through an elected person) are now being held responsible for the elected person’s bad judgement.

What's happening is not "held responsible" in the normal sense, for doing wrong, but instead for doing right and pissing off Trump and Trumpsters. Project 2025 planned it all. Bannon called the replacement of civil servants flood the zone with 50,000 shock troops. It was clear and known in advance. Trump lied about it too saying he knew nothing about the plan.

07 February 2025, 03:28

crbutler

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Doc, I ain't on board with a lot you say in the previous post.

For examples:

Nothing, eh?

Dang I’m good.

07 February 2025, 03:34

Magine Enigam

I was busy editing. I posted partial to save the place following your post.

07 February 2025, 05:54

Magine Enigam

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07 February 2025, 09:18

crbutler

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Doc, I ain't on board with a lot you say in the previous post. And you made some false equivalences.

For examples:
quote:
Harris was lying every bit as often as Trump, but certainly not to the degree of hyperbole that Trump did.

quote:
I don’t think many voters brought in to Trump’s “facts” but rather knew that Biden/Harris were offering more of the same and wanted out.

I already knew that you believed that. It's a two-part claim and I don't buy either.

Its fine that you don't buy either, but it doesn't make it not a reasonable statement.

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With how Trump is doing things now, the democrats only need to select a candidate that is mostly middle of the road and the Dems will have a landslide.

I don't think it's that simple.

You don't think that the Democrats lost due to a suboptimal candidate? Where is that belief in reason?

quote:
That DOGE can find as much trouble this fast makes me wonder what all these IG watchdogs have been doing for the last 30 years.

but I’m also willing to admit that what we were doing allowed the waste to accumulate unchecked.

The right has been trying to fuck up democracy/rule of law for 50 years. In case you're wondering - I don't make this up. https://www.google.com/search?...93AI&sclient=gws-wiz

What Musk and muskrats are doing is all ideological. They are not about "waste". Again, Rightist's definition of "waste" is all ideological and subjective, and it's a buzz word. And it's a trick word to get the sheple ideologues on board. What Musk is mostly about is setting up a win-win for the oligarchs.

The items involved don't pass the smell test to most people as reasonable expenditures of money. You can choose to believe that Musk is acting out of self interest and not the national good- I wouldn't disagree, but that doesn't mean that his findings aren't something that are reasonable.

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Trump booting folks over their political decision in apolitical positions has some support, but face it, there will be a corresponding bloodbath of Trump’s friends when the Dems get in again.

That a false equivalence. What Trump is doing is unprecedented. And there should never be a situation where career civil servants are flushed and replaced at the political whim especially based on loyalty to one person or ideology. That's fascist.

When "career civil servants" start acting as partisan actors they deserve to no longer be civil servants.

That being said, I don't agree with removing everyone who was following legitimate government orders from their politically elected leadership. There is a line there.

quote:
It’s a problem that some folks who were just doing what they were told to by the will of the people (through an elected person) are now being held responsible for the elected person’s bad judgement.

What's happening is not "held responsible" in the normal sense, for doing wrong, but instead for doing right and pissing off Trump and Trumpsters. Project 2025 planned it all. Bannon called the replacement of civil servants flood the zone with 50,000 shock troops. It was clear and known in advance. Trump lied about it too saying he knew nothing about the plan.

That is where I think you get a bit deranged.

07 February 2025, 23:45

Magine Enigam

quote:
When "career civil servants" start acting as partisan actors they deserve to no longer be civil servants.

That being said, I don't agree with removing everyone who was following legitimate government orders from their politically elected leadership. There is a line there.

So, Trump's purge plan is clearly to replace career civil servants with loyalists, and you are okay with that.

I may be deranged, but at least I'm not a deranged hypocrite.

08 February 2025, 03:19

crbutler

No I am not.

But I am OK with getting rid of politicized civil service jobs.

I am also wondering why we need USAID when we are supposedly giving out the money via the state department...

08 February 2025, 03:28

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
When "career civil servants" start acting as partisan actors they deserve to no longer be civil servants.

That being said, I don't agree with removing everyone who was following legitimate government orders from their politically elected leadership. There is a line there.

So, Trump's purge plan is clearly to replace career civil servants with loyalists, and you are okay with that.

I may be deranged, but at least I'm not a deranged hypocrite.

Bill Clinton fired 377,000 federal employees -- let me know when trump reaches HALF of that --

till then, do stop whining

08 February 2025, 03:46

TomP

I saw the phrase "...flood the zone...",seems to fit what we're seeing now. At some point, so many of the left-leaning lawyers will be engaged in minor skirmishes that a big payoff scam can be executed with little serious resources left to oppose it. A kissing cousin to resource-limited selective enforcement...

TomP

Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.

Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)

08 February 2025, 03:53

jeffeosso

Maggie, and others, if trump said air is good

08 February 2025, 04:57

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
When "career civil servants" start acting as partisan actors they deserve to no longer be civil servants.

That being said, I don't agree with removing everyone who was following legitimate government orders from their politically elected leadership. There is a line there.

So, Trump's purge plan is clearly to replace career civil servants with loyalists, and you are okay with that.

I may be deranged, but at least I'm not a deranged hypocrite.

Bill Clinton fired 377,000 federal employees -- let me know when trump reaches HALF of that --

till then, do stop whining

Please stop farting nonsense. Do your homework. Don't you know farts are inflammatory, and displaces oxygen, especially for the farter?

https://www.politifact.com/art...ederal-employee-buy/

Yes, Bill Clinton offered mass federal employee buyouts. Here’s why Trump’s program is different.

08 February 2025, 05:03

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
When "career civil servants" start acting as partisan actors they deserve to no longer be civil servants.

That being said, I don't agree with removing everyone who was following legitimate government orders from their politically elected leadership. There is a line there.

So, Trump's purge plan is clearly to replace career civil servants with loyalists, and you are okay with that.

I may be deranged, but at least I'm not a deranged hypocrite.

Bill Clinton fired 377,000 federal employees -- let me know when trump reaches HALF of that --

till then, do stop whining

Please stop farting nonsense. Do your homework. Don't you know farts are inflammatory, and displaces oxygen, especially for the farter?

https://www.politifact.com/art...ederal-employee-buy/

Yes, Bill Clinton offered mass federal employee buyouts. Here’s why Trump’s program is different.

so, you are complaining about the same thing? g's, maggie... let me know when trump hits HALF those numbers, k?

you REALLY should stop whining when trump does the same thing dems did .. oh, you can point out it's not his original idea, that's fair -- but WHINING about the same-same is pathetic

08 February 2025, 05:22

Magine Enigam

It looks to me like you're doing the whining.

I'll call false equivalence. Did you read the article?

You could at least give credit where due. The fact check could be read that democrats are interested in reducing fed spending too, but certainly not arbitrarily, and certainly with respect for the employees.

08 February 2025, 05:36

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

I'll call false equivalence.
.

honey, you would call comparing a granny smith to a honey crisp a false equivalence -- you use that phrase as a mantra when you've lost the argument -- REPEATEDLY

no one cares what "you" call a false equivalence, as you only found out about this phrase 7 months ago --

AND you bend the truth to try and prove your point, rather than plan facts -- you would literally cover your eyes and say "no, a green apple is a false equivalence as the other apple is obviously red" and entirely ignore the truth -

you are ENTIRELY intellectually disingenuous -- how so "oh, i take feedback and correction" .. and unless beaten about the head and shoulders, you never admit when you are WRONG, but sulk out of the conversation and go sob in the other room --

08 February 2025, 05:42

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 08 February 2025 05:36

You've gone off the deep end again.

I'll get back with you later after you sober up.

08 February 2025, 05:49

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 08 February 2025 05:36

You've gone off the deep end again.

I'll get back with you later after you sober up.

if you ignore me, don't respond to me .. it just seems like you are sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming nahnahnah --

I rarely drink, maggie -- though I did have a Dr Pepper a little late in the day --

but thanks for insulting my character WHILE declaring I am insulting you ...

my 13 year old granddaughters have a higher adaptability than you

08 February 2025, 05:53

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 08 February 2025 05:49

08 February 2025, 05:55

jeffeosso

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 08 February 2025 05:49

poor baby -- do you need a warm glass of milk? YOU poked the bear, then squeal when it comes for you -

utterly pathetic

08 February 2025, 05:59

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 08 February 2025 05:55

I politely informed you that I've already won.

How do I know that? You made it personal.

Yea, I know that I made it personal too. When I give you a dose of your own medicine you can't handle it.

But I let it go only so far. I refuse to let you drag me into nasty.

08 February 2025, 06:24

JTEX

Yeah....the old lady has you on ignore.....but strangely she keeps responding

08 February 2025, 06:26

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by JTEX posted 08 February 2025 06:24

08 February 2025, 08:55

crbutler

Back to grade school...

sheesh...

08 February 2025, 17:18

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 08 February 2025 05:55

I politely informed you that I've already won.

oh, honey - when you have to inform someone that you have won, have you? you won the moment where you closed your mind entirely... but that wasn't yesterda

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

How do I know that? You made it personal.

awww .. poor little thing, but describing your ACTUAL behavior is not personal insults, it's a description of reality -- i know, i know, you have a defined reality, and accept ZERO inputs that aren't on the DNC approved media list

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Yea, I know that I made it personal too. When I give you a dose of your own medicine you can't handle it.

you think that? well, in the population set polled, it must have been unanimous

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

But I let it go only so far. I refuse to let you drag me into nasty.

oh sweet -- let me get you a cookie and a tissue

08 February 2025, 17:21

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Yeah....the old lady has you on ignore.....but strangely she keeps responding

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Ignored post by JTEX posted 08 February 2025 06:24

children often go through a phase where they think "i am not listening to you" is a means to "win" -- it's cute, in 8 year olds -- maggie, i expect you are over 8