He should have consulted with Gen. Keane

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J. Lane Easter, DVM

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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.

01 March 2025, 17:27

Mike Mitchell

Or trump and vance could have behaved like the President and Vice-President of the United States instead of like school-yard bullies.

01 March 2025, 19:26

medved

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
https://x.com/byronyork/status...815316036309266?s=46

and not forget to say sorry to be still alive ...

01 March 2025, 19:36

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
https://x.com/byronyork/status...815316036309266?s=46

How can you say you support Reagan and his life's work fighting the Russians and then be an apologist for Putin and support Trump's capitulation? Is Neville Chamberlin your hero? Pathetic Lane.

01 March 2025, 19:45

jdollar

So the gospel according to Lane is that Zelenskyy should have groveled at oj’s feet and offered a nice kickback on the “deal”…. Yep, sounds like a great idea- for Trump and his Moscow master…

01 March 2025, 19:50

Saeed

Classic American behavior!

Start a war, get your arse handed to you, and blame someone else!

01 March 2025, 20:33

MJines

Not sure who I have more respect for. The British PM for blowing smoke up Trump's pizzle and having Trump respond like a puppy needing love or Zelenskyy for standing up to an American leader that has decided to cow tow to Russia and having Trump respond like a petulant child. While on the one hand the former is far more likely to get you what you want, the latter is far more indicative of how a man behaves. I can appreciate though, that someone like Lane would lean toward the former approach.

01 March 2025, 20:50

jdollar

Someone should send Trump a pair of knee pads. It will make Putin blow jobs a lot more comfortable…

01 March 2025, 21:10

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Or trump and vance could have behaved like the President and Vice-President of the United States instead of like school-yard bullies.

They acted just like I would have. Don’t run your mouth in my house — esp if you are a moron.

01 March 2025, 21:12

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
Someone should send Trump a pair of knee pads. It will make Putin blow jobs a lot more comfortable…

Jerry,
You sound like a broken record. Find a new line — especially when you’re wrong.

01 March 2025, 21:23

MLindsay

Just posted this on another thread but I will expand, it seems if you criticize Zelensky or Ukraine in any way or do not want to just give them the entire value of the U.S. then you are Putin's best friend. I truly want someone to tell me what is the limit the U.S. should give? Is there a limit, how much money should we continue to borrow so we can give money to them.

I saw where someone mentioned the money spent during the cold war, what was our national debt then?

01 March 2025, 21:44

Bill Leeper

Trump will borrow money regardless. That is his MO. Bill.

01 March 2025, 21:51

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
https://x.com/byronyork/status...815316036309266?s=46

In a word, no.

No, Me. President you and Russia willl not give away my country.

01 March 2025, 21:53

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Or trump and vance could have behaved like the President and Vice-President of the United States instead of like school-yard bullies.

They acted just like I would have. Don’t run your mouth in my house — esp if you are a moron.

How did he run his mouth? Ive watch the vid too many times, and he simply stated his position which was that Putin had a history of breaking agreements in this war and that really he needed some assurances before signing a deal.
He was sitting there listening to Vance insult his nation. He sat there while they made fun of his dress code.

01 March 2025, 22:14

ledvm

quote:
In a heated Oval Office meeting on February 28, 2025, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky remarked to U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance that he was speaking too loudly. This occurred amidst a tense exchange involving Zelensky, Vance, and U.S. President Donald Trump. As reported in various sources, Zelensky began to say, "Please, you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war—" before being interrupted by Trump, who defended Vance, stating, "He's not speaking loudly." The comment from Zelensky about Vance’s volume was part of a broader confrontation where Zelensky challenged Vance’s assertions about diplomacy with Russia, leading to an escalation of the argument. Posts on X also reflect this sentiment, with users noting Zelensky’s remark about Vance being "too loud" as a notable moment in the exchange. While the exact phrasing may differ slightly across accounts, the consensus is that Zelensky criticized Vance’s loudness during the discussion.

01 March 2025, 22:17

ledvm

In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

01 March 2025, 22:22

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

Being a moron would be turning your back on the defense alliances that made America thrive in the post war period, see Trump as example #1 of a Moron, for more example see those who blindly follow that turd.

01 March 2025, 22:26

shankspony

He did far less than Macron or Starmer did.

But yes, I agree that a person who is thin skinned will take being told there is no need to raise your voice, as an insult, and not a calming influence.

Of course that's not where it started though is it. It started when Zelenky pointed out that Putin had broken every promise so far.
The antagonism was smack talking Trump and Vances boss.

01 March 2025, 22:26

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

And this is why.

01 March 2025, 22:27

medved

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
https://x.com/byronyork/status...815316036309266?s=46

In a word, no.

No, Me. President you and Russia willl not give away my country.

sorry to burst your bubble but it is already happened ...

01 March 2025, 22:30

medved

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

And this is why.

your country is supporting the enemy of NATO: putin ... you had enough to pay for that, great do not pay anymore. but stay in your country and stop to try to rule the world and see how it goes between china and russia ...

01 March 2025, 22:34

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

And this is why.

Freedom is not free, that is the attitude that won the cold war, the attitude that Reagan had. Trumps tax cuts cost many fold what helping Ukraine stand up to the Russians cost.

Trump should have been willing to help Ukraine because that is the American way. The real issue here is that Trump not being able to blackmail Zelenskyy years ago is what led to his first impeachment trial, now that thin skinned narcissist wants revenge. Pathetic that you defend Trump's behavior Lane, but I am not surprised in the least.

01 March 2025, 22:50

ledvm

Handled it just like I would have.

PS: The American way is to not have non-stop Mexican traffic across my ranch. And, while I personally voted for and liked Ronald Reagan… ”Americans” have been free since 1776.

02 March 2025, 00:14

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Handled it just like I would have.

PS: The American way is to not have non-stop Mexican traffic across my ranch. And, while I personally voted for and liked Ronald Reagan… ”Americans” have been free since 1776.

Pathetic....you are no patriot if support caving to Putin.

02 March 2025, 00:20

LHeym500

Ill would never decrease US contributions to NATO. We need to run it. It is ours as much as anyone else. If the post WWII order fails, we will see US lives lost. NATO must be strengthened, advanced, and is money well spent.

God Bless NATIO.

02 March 2025, 00:30

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

And this is why.

I didn't realise Zelensky was the NATO leader.
That graph has nothing to do with the behaviour in the Oval Office.
The truth is there are only two options, Trump and Vance orchestrated an attack to bully Zelensky.. Or Trump the master negotiator got played into a situation where he looses world support.

Your pick.

02 March 2025, 00:35

medved

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

And this is why.

I didn't realise Zelensky was the NATO leader.
That graph has nothing to do with the behaviour in the Oval Office.
The truth is there are only two options, Trump and Vance orchestrated an attack to bully Zelensky.. Or Trump the master negotiator got played into a situation where he looses world support.

Your pick.

as i said earlier macron was really good and zelensky as well ... i do not know what is the outcome but the image was not for trump except for the fanboys ... damages done will be hard to fix especiallyin supporting putin ....

02 March 2025, 00:40

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Or trump and vance could have behaved like the President and Vice-President of the United States instead of like school-yard bullies.

They acted just like I would have. Don’t run your mouth in my house — esp if you are a moron.

oh, I don't doubt that. You're as clueless as your idol.

02 March 2025, 00:51

shankspony

Watching online as the right wing trump supporters yell about reading the room....

Whilst they have no idea what the room is saying.

https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1895878705815433651

02 March 2025, 01:56

Tumbleweed

What I heard ‘the room’ saying was: “You should show some gratitude by giving me your resources“.

The ‘deal’ was one sided, with the excuse that Zelenskyy would simply be paying for help already tendered. Zelenskyy in turn refused unless there was some assurance of security for Ukraine.

Putin would get the territory, Trump would get the rare earths, and the Ukrainians would get extinction. Sounds a lot like the Israeli/Palestinian sort of deal these guys push.

02 March 2025, 03:08

RolandtheHeadless

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

You're out of your mind. Classic, obsessive American arrogance.

I've disagree with you a lot, but now you embarrass me as a fellow American.

02 March 2025, 03:25

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

You're out of your mind. Classic, obsessive American arrogance.

I've disagree with you a lot, but now you embarrass me as a fellow American.

Nope, debate and challenge is just fine. Particularly, when the U.S. is trying to force you to surrender your soul to a Russian.

02 March 2025, 03:29

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

You're out of your mind. Classic, obsessive American arrogance.

I've disagree with you a lot, but now you embarrass me as a fellow American.

What is so asinine about that statement is that it is a two way street. Apparently Lane’s view is that Trump can be an ass clown in public, but others need to behave like subservient wimps. Nothing Lane says these days surprises me. He is a full on disciple of OJ.

02 March 2025, 03:48

Jefffive

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

And this is why.

As I immediately suspected, that chart is intentionally misleading.

Since most NATO members don't have huge military formations deployed literally globally, their defense spending is almost wholly concentrated in NATO, while American defense spending supports fleets and air forces in the Pacific, in Korea, in various parts of Africa, frequently a carrier task group in the Indian Ocean (or has Trump renamed it?) or the Persian Gulf, none of which is directly related to NATO defense.

But it looks good as long as it's not presented in context.

02 March 2025, 04:06

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

And this is why.

As I immediately suspected, that chart is intentionally misleading.

Since most NATO members don't have huge military formations deployed literally globally, their defense spending is almost wholly concentrated in NATO, while American defense spending supports fleets and air forces in the Pacific, in Korea, in various parts of Africa, frequently a carrier task group in the Indian Ocean (or has Trump renamed it?) or the Persian Gulf, none of which is directly related to NATO defense.

But it looks good as long as it's not presented in context.

tell us you don't understand total spend of a large organization without telling us ..... dolt

hey, did you make up a new "close strategic base location" after being proven a fool, or just letting that one go?

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02 March 2025, 04:08

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

You're out of your mind. Classic, obsessive American arrogance.

I've disagree with you a lot, but now you embarrass me as a fellow American.

Ah, So, Elitest Jimbo --
when a prole comes begging for a gift to you, do you let him spout off whatever he wants, and then give him whatever he asked for?

Heck, man, you aren't even willing to give the proles the same voting clout as yourself --

oh, wait, i am expecting consistency from a liberal .. by bad, carry on

02 March 2025, 04:46

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
In public: Sit down, shut up, yes sir, no sir, and thank you.

Express yourself in private. Read the room…don’t be a moron.

They're shedding blood you clueless ass. Fighting our most dangerous enemy in a war of territorial aggression.

But, you're in favor of abandoning them if they don't grovel before orange jesus and his idiot VP and agree to some sort of treaty that trump doesn't seem to think they even need to participate in negotiating. While handing the US their country's mineral wealth.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

02 March 2025, 04:53

jeffeosso

Mike,
just to be clear, Obama said, (found the quote) "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War’s been over for 20 years."

China is out biggest and worst enemy - russia is a bunch of busted field equipment, conscripts, and the worst threat is their nukes -- of which china has better ...

my fear in russia, especially before the wagner dude got shot out of the sky, was a push to moscow, and a nuclear exchange --

i have near zero fear of russia rolling over the eastern front into Europe ..

02 March 2025, 04:57

medved

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Mike,
just to be clear, Obama said, (found the quote) "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War’s been over for 20 years."

China is out biggest and worst enemy - russia is a bunch of busted field equipment, conscripts, and the worst threat is their nukes -- of which china has better ...

my fear in russia, especially before the wagner dude got shot out of the sky, was a push to moscow, and a nuclear exchange --

i have near zero fear of russia rolling over the eastern front into Europe ..

look up a map pacific is nearest than you think ... nukes can go that way i do think the shakalinsk peninsula sites are still active ... despite being on volcanoes ground

02 March 2025, 05:01

jeffeosso

Nukes are on subs -- we MIGHT have a chance with ICMBs, but a shot from 2 miles off the coast is going to hit -- and bombers run silent run deep --

I don't care about a backfire bomber being intercepted off alaska -- it's a prop-job, ffs - there is nothing to compare to our b2 - but i am worried about boomers and the 2-5 mile shot, that won't even show up on radar -