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So, now the cartels control and govern Butte, Montana too? Because there was some drug violence there?  Every American city with a significant population has areas where it's not safe to be at night or even during the day. Are they all controlled by the cartels? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I didn't say that and how the heck would I know anyway? I gather that there is cartel activity in Butte. Here in DLG we recently had a big drug bust that was linked to a prison gang. I know very well my circumstances in this small remote town are very different than almost everyone else, but as for me, I try to do my part. Yesterday afternoon I herded some druggies off my street. They use a secluded spot, not very visible and I wasn't to confrontational nor hostile in anyway, I just moved them along. They all know me, I know all them, I've done it several times over the years and it generally goes easy enough. I'm not brave or courageous, I'm not any kind of a bully or hero, I am just taking care of me and mine. I will not sit idly by while bad behavior goes on and think to myself, "somebody should do something.". Doc B, if the government won't clean up your town or Butte MT, somebody should. It started small, it always does and it's so easy to turn a blind eye to. It's grown and grown and now here we are today debating drug cartel strength on our side of the border. So we turn a blind eye to this and what does it grow into tomorrow? Next year? Next decade? Mike how bad do we let it get before we fight back? I have to right now while it's insignificant. | |||
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They do. Known fact by those who live there. There is certainly a stronger degree of control on the southern side but yes they exert control to the north as well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Well, again....you didn't say they "exert control"....you said: "The Cartels control the people along the border on both sides." And, now you're saying they control the people that live in Butte, Montana too? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Who on earth is advocating that we turn a blind eye to it? The only thing I'm stating here is that Lane's assertion that Mexican drug cartels control and govern on the US side the border (including Butte, Montana) is bullshit. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Here's something in my backyard most people know nothing about: A little background. I live smack dab in the middle of the highest trafficked drug corridor on the Southern border. https://mashable.com/article/t...rizona-border-patrol So to help counter the dirigible's surveillance of the deep canyons on the Mexican side of the border, cartels started placing lookouts with high magnification optics and sat phones on prominent peaks of our "sky island" mountain ranges in the Coronado National Forest. They watch us, we watch them. While it may be argued that the cartels aren't in control, it must be pointed out that neither are City, State, and Federal law enforcement agencies in this case. Oh, and by the way, the winds are howling here today so of course the asset is sitting on the pavement... . | |||
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Control of what? Smuggling drugs across the border? No doubt. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Drugs, humans, livestock, weapons, cash... We have lost operational control. . | |||
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Ty, do you feel like the cartels control your activities and dictate control of your local government? Are you afraid to go out at night? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Nobody is frolicking in the dark down here Mike. Do I live in fear, no, but I am prudent, and aware of my surroundings. I will not hunt some of my old haunts down here anymore. When I started coming across Government camera traps and motion detection equipment in several of my preferred spots, I took note. Have the cartels affected my day to day life, I would say yes Of course some folks are more risk averse than others, so again, your mileage may vary. As far as controlling local executives, legislators, judiciary, or Law enforcement agencies, I would say no. Have they infected any of our branches, or are they influencing them? Yes, I have no doubt. Some people will do anything for money. . | |||
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/a...-s-change-rcna149623 To heck with messing with drugs the Cartels say. | |||
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Mike is displaying his ignorance of the border on full scale. Off course the cartels affect the day to day lives of the north side of the border residents — especially the rural residents where he is especially ignorant.
I can’t even believe he is arguing the difference in the above statements — the lawyer in him I guess. For the record of the context of this post…I meant “exert control.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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-Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Ok, so now you're walking it back. Must be the horse doctor in you who continuously tries to pretend he is an expert on everything. The Cartels don't govern the US border, correct? Thye just exert control? And, the difference between those two things is what and provide some examples how everyday folks on the US side of the border have control exerted over them by the Cartels. No more of those stories about girls getting run off the road by cartel members either....unless you've come up with some proof to support that bullshit. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna43096521 “You have an interesting marriage of low-tech and high-tech. You have guys who live up here in these caves; we've seen them scratch calendars into the rocks to indicate how long they've been up here…with sophisticated radio equipment, transmitters, night vision equipment, all of which they utilize to help coordinate the loads moving down across this lower valley here,” said Scott. And a point made repeatedly by the agents on patrol is that the elusive spotters who serve as the eyes and ears for a notorious Mexican drug cartel are operating miles inside the United States. Nothing has changed in the dozen or so years since this story broke. We still aren't in control of the border. . | |||
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You want answers to those questions Mike, you fetch. I'm not going to waste my time sharing personal anecdotes when in the end, you'll just talk right past them as you've done, again, and again, and again. . | |||
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It took me all of 5 seconds Mike, don't be so lazy! Some people will do anything for money... https://news.azpm.org/p/news-a...es-say/?fr=operanews • https://www.sandiegouniontribu...border-while-on-duty • https://www.vice.com/en/articl...bes-to-smuggle-drugs • https://www.google.com/url?sa=...hO_SuytrUDUmbnnFRSd4 • Massive human Smuggling ring led by 12 U.S. Marines • https://www.justice.gov/usao-s...iding-drug-smuggling • https://www.govinfo.gov/conten...HRG-111shrg58385.htm Excerpt from hearing: NEW BORDER WAR: CORRUPTION OF U.S. OFFICIALS BY DRUG CARTELS Senator Pryor. OK. Mr. Perkins, we talked about these task forces or multiagency meetings that you have. Could you tell the Subcommittee a little bit more about that, please? Mr. Perkins. Certainly. Yes, Senator. Presently we have 12 Border Corruption Task Forces established. What these are, these are operational entities that involve agents from the agencies sitting here at the table as well as the Transportation Security Administration. They work up and down the Southwest border--and not only there, but they are also on the Northern border of the country. They work specifically cases involving corruption along the border, particularly the Southwest border, obviously involving drug trafficking, but, really, whatever else might come along, whether it is State, Federal, local law enforcement individuals, members of CBP, or the like. These turned out to be very--we are trying to stay ahead of the curve as much as we can. We enjoy probably--in all the task force operations the Bureau is in that I oversee on the criminal side, these are among the best as far as cooperative efforts, sharing of information, and people working together along the border. We are looking to expand those to other points of entry around the United States, but right now we are focusing on the Southwest border. Senator Pryor. How often do they meet face to face? Or is this more of just a conference call meeting? Mr. Perkins. No. These are actually collocated physical space investigators. Senator Pryor. OK. Good. And is it your experience that by them sharing information and being around each other and spending a lot of time with each other that they actually--the Federal side is helping the State side and the county is helping the Federal side? Mr. Perkins. Without a doubt. It is vital to have those types of relationships to leverage the resources each one of us can bring to the table, the various expertise each one of us can bring to the table, and the information sharing that comes there also. Without a doubt, that is vital. Senator Pryor. I know this isn't the focus of this hearing, but in those task forces, are you seeing evidence of State and local corruption as well? Mr. Perkins. Yes, sir, that is the case. And, in fact, one of the things we are trying to do with everybody's budgets--we have to work and live within them. Recently in the 2010 appropriation we were able to receive additional bodies to fight gang violence across the United States. So instead of parsing these out across the United States in little pieces, we decided to go where we thought we could make a major impact, and we went to the Southwest border, and we queried our SACs, our agents in charge, to provide proposals to us so that we could place, for instance, an entire squad--eight agents, an intelligence analyst, staffing, and the like--into a field office to address a particular issue. What we wanted them to do was, one, have something to do with gang violence; two, have some tie into public corruption along those lines; three, have something to do with money laundering. So it was kind of a joint, across-the-stovepipes effort. We have identified two of the three offices where we are going to select those squads right now and go forward. So we are trying to use that type of information that not only addresses gang violence in these areas but addresses State and local corruption along the border also. Senator Pryor. This next question might be a little bit sensitive, and if you cannot answer it, I understand. But one of the concerns when you hear a story about this, about corruption on the border and some problems with drugs, guns, money, etc., coming in and out, would be terrorism. Are you seeing any evidence of terrorists tapping into this and coming into the country? Mr. Perkins. I think what we are trying to identify, you step back and you look at individuals, if they are willing to wave a carload of marijuana or cocaine or illegal aliens through, why wouldn't they be willing to wave through a known terrorist or even perhaps some components to an improvised explosive device of some type? It is all the same to us. That is why we are trying to focus on this as seriously as we are to address these issues. If you recall back, I mean, history shows--it was on the Northern border when components attempted to smuggle in back during the millennium, back in 2000, an explosive device into the country. At that point that was successfully interdicted. So while I am not saying that--we are prepared for that. We suspect that is possible, and we are trying to do what we can with this effort to interdict those potentialities. Senator Pryor. Thank you very much. Mr. Frost, let me do a little follow-up with you. We have talked about Customs and Border Protection. Can you give us a sense, though, of ICE and TSA and other agencies in terms of the frequency of corruption or the scope and nature of it? Mr. Frost. Well, the numbers for ICE and CBP are quite different, but also their mission is different and their numbers of employees are different. Probably the--they are right about half, if you look at arrests and case openings and case investigations. But ICE also includes the element of ICE that deals with detainees, alien detainees, and transport of those individuals. Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) is probably, from a homeland security investigation standpoint, our area of most concern. Immigration benefits are such a valuable commodity to enemies of the United States, whether they are drug-trafficking organizations or other persons that would do us harm. And the ability of lower-level employees to make decisions on immigration benefits is disproportionate, similar, I would say, to CBP's authorities at the border where you have your average employee who is making decisions about whether someone could come in the country. Certainly with immigration benefits, the impact is even more lasting and profound. Senator Pryor. Do you have a sense of how these agents in the various agencies, are being penetrated and corrupted? How do they go from Point A to Point B in terms of being corrupted? Mr. Frost. Well, we have looked at kind of comparing it to the espionage-related corruption techniques where organized criminal groups actually look for vulnerable employees, and it may be someone that they already have a social relationship with. People down on the Southwest border like to say that to them the river is just a river. There is a lot of commerce, family, and other interaction between people on both sides of the border. And the same is true on the Canadian border where DHS employees often go to have meals or entertainment or just for tourism. So recruiters try and target people that are vulnerable or people that they know, people who are willing to talk about their work. And then they assess those people, and they look for those who have obvious vulnerabilities, who may be prone to infidelity or alcohol abuse. And then they target them and begin a relationship, a further relationship that starts with small favors and expands until they are committed to these levels of corruption that we believe are in some cases traitorous. . | |||
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He tends to ignore direct questions. | |||
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People wander why we can’t control the border and why the drug cartels are so hugely successful??? Look no further than the mentality of Mike Mitchell. He represents the mindset of the voting block that keeps it as it is today. And as he plainly states…thinks it is hunky dory. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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