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13 September 2025, 02:28

shankspony

Charlie Kirk shot in Utah

quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
Both sides are being disingenuous.

They both have continually vilified anyone who does not agree with them, and claim that “the other guys” are purveying hate and calls for violence.

The only Charlie Kirk I’ve ever heard is quotes now that he’s dead. He pretty clearly did not agree with the progressive left, but I never heard him call for violence either- just a voice on the further right side of the spectrum.

The quote by Warren that was made here is classic of the politicians… “the other guy!”

Sorry, but Warren has pull only over the left. She has a duty to get them calmed down.

Trump has a duty to get them calmed right calmed down.

I don’t see either making any attempt.

Is Kirk a national hero or martyr? No. I don’t get that. But he was a victim of political violence. We have put flags at half staff for that before. No issue with that.

The lefties here need to take a serious look at themselves providing justification for the act. I don’t see many currently approving of this assassination, but I don’t see absolute condemnation either.

I also don’t see the folks on the right here saying the right things to calm things down, either. They seem to be exclusively blaming the left when political polarization takes at least two sides.

Let’s just agree that Kirk didn’t deserve to get shot, and both sides extreme political rhetoric contributed to it happening.

Thank Goodness!

13 September 2025, 02:32

wymple

Creating your own drama, as Kirk did by all his comments, creates your own karma eventually.

13 September 2025, 02:56

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by wymple:
Creating your own drama, as Kirk did by all his comments, creates your own karma eventually.

So, chowderhead, you feel that answering questions from ones principals should result in murder? I swear, normal idiocy doesn't cover it, so when did you have brain damage?

You are a loathsome scumbag. Come see me and deliver your wrath FOR WORDS. I'll await your arrival... do i need to buy you a bus ticket?

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13 September 2025, 03:37

theback40

He's "close enough" he can drive!

13 September 2025, 04:35

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
He's "close enough" he can drive!

she's scared of the McD's order lady --

13 September 2025, 04:48

Magine Enigam

quote:
I don’t see many currently approving of this assassination, but I don’t see absolute condemnation either.

I've read most of the posts on the topic and I didn't see ANY approving, and perhaps absolute condemnation is redundant.

I also think maybe you are stretching a bit to get the both sides thing. Of course I could be wrong.

I think we, perhaps and hopefully all herein, are in agreement that Kirk getting shot was absolutely wrong.

You're correct, it takes at least two sides for polarization. I was talking about that today with my far right cousin. I informed him that when someone convinces me he's serious when he declares me his enemy, I'm polarized.

The difference is he and I have very different views politically, and we argue, but we definitely don't hate each other. I see him almost every day. He helps me and I help him. Charlie Kirk was his favorite.

I didn't know until two or three days ago, but now I know where most of the BS he talks about came from. He also says that he's believed this stuff for many years. So, that tells me that it's all about affirmations.

We get along despite our different opinions. It can be done. I know that for a fact. So, where is the problem?

I also have a BIL who once referred to me in the third person as one of "them" although he was talking to me. Since then I've had as little to do with him as possible.

And another thing, I've watched a few videos of Kirk's interviews and his debates with students, etc. Those I've seen didn't seem radical, but quite reasonable and logical, but certainly argumentative. He did the gotcha thing on some students and made it look easy.

I don't know if those videos were cleaned up or not.

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13 September 2025, 05:09

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso (non-contributor, polarizer) posted 13 September 2025 05:01

13 September 2025, 08:44

wymple

quote:
you feel that answering questions from ones principals should result in murder?

I never said that, or even close. I infer that he is a byproduct of his own messaging. Prove me wrong, asshat.

13 September 2025, 09:47

RolandtheHeadless

Aside from the loss of the man's life, perhaps the worst thing about this is that a hunting rifle was used to kill him. I wonder how long before the media begins referring to scoped hunting rifles as "sniper rifles."

13 September 2025, 15:30

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by wymple:
quote:
you feel that answering questions from ones principals should result in murder?

I never said that, or even close. I infer that he is a byproduct of his own messaging. Prove me wrong, a#$hat.

Easy. In fact, its so easy a village idiot could do it

quote:
Originally posted by wymple:
Creating your own drama, as Kirk did by all his comments, creates your own karma eventually.

13 September 2025, 16:52

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Aside from the loss of the man's life, perhaps the worst thing about this is that a hunting rifle was used to kill him. I wonder how long before the media begins referring to scoped hunting rifles as "sniper rifles."

As all of us know…the simple 3 rd mag capacity bolt action rifle is the best tool for that purpose. The Democrats will be along demonizing the rifle while they celebrate Charlie’s murder. The simple hunting rifle will become the “sniper rifle.”

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13 September 2025, 17:50

BNagel

Demonic influence is a thing. Repentance is now the only solution.
Paganism kills by the thousands where "the gods" (as Jonathan Cahn says it) are still revered, eg. India-Pakistan-Khashmir religion murder sprees.

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13 September 2025, 22:24

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Someone mentioned that this is the right wing equivalent of BLM celebrating and making a hero of a career criminal!

Well that person is clueless, just like you...

Are Kirk's supporters are out rioting and destroying private property and defying the rule of law......

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13 September 2025, 22:29

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Good Grief Charlie Brown!

If you watch the videos where he quote Leviticus, hes been challenged about what the bible says and what role tradition plays in his modern belief.
Hes often said he dosnt follow the Old Testament.

Context matters. Ive seen him on a number of occasions clarify.

And

When asked directly about inclusion of gays in his community, here's his response.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z-cSpjEKfGk

People need to stop trying to interpret everything through either blind faith, or misguided hate.

The only lens that the left uses for interpretationis ideology and hate.

That's why they loathe Charlie Kirk, he inspired thought through open debate.

They fear this!!!!!

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13 September 2025, 22:34

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Good Grief Charlie Brown!

If you watch the videos where he quote Leviticus, hes been challenged about what the bible says and what role tradition plays in his modern belief.
Hes often said he dosnt follow the Old Testament.

Context matters. Ive seen him on a number of occasions clarify.

And

When asked directly about inclusion of gays in his community, here's his response.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z-cSpjEKfGk

People need to stop trying to interpret everything through either blind faith, or misguided hate.

Being gay is OK as long as you're a conservative? Listen, Charlie Kirk was entitled to his opinions but he was anti-LGBTQ or whatever the acronym is...thought they shouldn't be allowed to marry, shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, etc. Again, that's fine...have that viewpoint if you like....but, don't argue it's not intolerant, divisive and hateful. His whole schtick was to make racist, incendiary and sexist comments.

AGAIN, that doesn't mean he should be murdered because he was an asshole. But, he was an asshole.

Well lil mikey it seems like the only thing you and your ilk ARE tolerant of is the LBGTQ, gay marriage, abortion and no borders.....

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13 September 2025, 22:36

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:

Intolerant, yeah probably. Is there actually that much wrong with that if someone is saying yeah I dont agree with your lifestyle but welcome anyway?

Simply outstanding!

Welcome to the Republican Party

13 September 2025, 22:39

medved

luckily and contrary to the affirmations of some here his wife and his kids were not present at the event.

13 September 2025, 23:28

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:

The only lens that the left uses for interpretation is ideology and hate.

That's why they loathe Charlie Kirk, he inspired thought through open debate.

They fear this!!!!!

The linked video posted below supersedes all interpretation, with one caveat. She uses the term "Evil Doers", instead of one, but plural. The implication is clear.

Did his death really expose the truth about what and who he inspired?

Was he really about thought and open debate?

Indirectly, Charlie Kirk and his legacy can be interpreted by actually seeing who he inspired, their passions and hate, etc. It's about what's behind and beyond his smile.

It all makes it clear that fear is not a loose thing, but real and intended, targeted, by by both sides. It's either a core or projected or inflicted. A tool or an ID.

We can make inferences of Charlie Kirk's worldview from those he inspired, through their interpretations, such as JTEX.

Good is inspirational. So is evil. But, can evil inspire good? It can in good people, but it's just affirmation in evil people.

https://youtu.be/G_vMPg8AsAA?s...sV800uc5pE_eVz&t=315 (started at 5:15)

'You have no idea what you have unleashed,' Erika Kirk says after husband's killing

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Then there's the question - can good inspire evil?

Let me answer that indirectly.

People, bunched up, riled up, cheering each other on, affirming each other's hate, while claiming God is on their side, well, we know how that works out.

But when the same bunch also knows that Trump is on their side, and inspired by that fact, well, that is still in motion.

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Just so you know, through example, of what I'm talking about:

Did the southern slave owners claim God is on our side?

AI Overview
Yes, Southern slave owners frequently claimed that God was on their side and used a twisted version of Christianity to justify slavery. They framed their cause as a righteous, God-ordained system that provided both moral and religious benefits. This ideology was heavily promoted by Southern preachers and theologians, who provided the religious and biblical arguments to support the practice.

Key religious justifications included:
The Curse of Ham:

Interpreters used a biblical story from Genesis about Noah cursing his son, Ham, and his descendants. They falsely claimed that this curse created a lineage of Black people who were divinely destined for servitude.

Bible passages on servitude:
Pro-slavery advocates cited several verses from both the Old and New Testaments that appeared to condone or regulate slavery. For instance, they pointed to passages in Ephesians and Colossians where Paul instructs slaves to "obey your earthly masters". However, this interpretation ignored the historical context of Roman-era servitude, which was not the same as the race-based chattel slavery of the American South.

"Benevolent" paternalism:
Some slave owners viewed themselves as benevolent stewards, asserting that it was their Christian duty to care for a supposedly inferior race. They argued that slavery removed Africans from "pagan" lands and introduced them to the gospel. Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens declared in his "Cornerstone Speech" that the Confederacy was built on the "great truth" that Black people were not equal to white people and that slavery was their natural and moral condition.

Profit as divine blessing:
Some Southern clergy argued that God was blessing the region with prosperity through cash crops like cotton, and they connected this wealth directly to divine favor. This helped slaveholders justify their economic system and ignore its brutally exploitative nature.

Institutional alignment: The religious establishment in the South lent its full support to this narrative. The Southern Baptist Convention, for example, was founded in 1845 specifically after breaking away from northern Baptists over the issue of slavery.

This religious rhetoric was a central part of Southern secessionist ideology and continued even after the Civil War to justify white supremacy and segregation.

14 September 2025, 02:15

Mike Mitchell

quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Good Grief Charlie Brown!

If you watch the videos where he quote Leviticus, hes been challenged about what the bible says and what role tradition plays in his modern belief.
Hes often said he dosnt follow the Old Testament.

Context matters. Ive seen him on a number of occasions clarify.

And

When asked directly about inclusion of gays in his community, here's his response.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z-cSpjEKfGk

People need to stop trying to interpret everything through either blind faith, or misguided hate.

Being gay is OK as long as you're a conservative? Listen, Charlie Kirk was entitled to his opinions but he was anti-LGBTQ or whatever the acronym is...thought they shouldn't be allowed to marry, shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, etc. Again, that's fine...have that viewpoint if you like....but, don't argue it's not intolerant, divisive and hateful. His whole schtick was to make racist, incendiary and sexist comments.

AGAIN, that doesn't mean he should be murdered because he was an asshole. But, he was an asshole.

Well lil mikey it seems like the only thing you and your ilk ARE tolerant of is the LBGTQ, gay marriage, abortion and no borders.....

.

14 September 2025, 04:40

Magine Enigam

Did the KKK claim God was on their side?

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AI Overview
Yes, the Ku Klux Klan has repeatedly and explicitly claimed that God is on its side and has used religious rhetoric to justify its racist agenda. The Klan has long framed its white supremacist and nationalist goals as a "holy crusade" or a divine mission ordained by God.

Key facts about the KKK's use of religious claims include:

"Holy Crusade": The Klan has historically framed its efforts as a "holy crusade" to "regenerate the white race," presenting itself as a religious entity dedicated to God's will.

Divine Racial Distinction: Klan ideology asserted that racial differences were not accidental but "designed" by God, justifying their quest to preserve what they considered to be a divine racial and social order.

Selective Biblical Interpretation: The Klan used a practice called "racial exegesis" to interpret the Bible through a lens of racial discrimination and hate. For example, some leaders taught that the Bible was the family history of the white race and that white Christians were morally and spiritually superior to others.
1920s Religious Nationalism: During the rise of the second KKK in the 1920s, the organization successfully promoted a brand of religious nationalism that combined white supremacy with a narrow, exclusionary view of Protestant Christianity.

Preaching Hate: The Klan has historically recruited and used pastors to spread its message, using religious venues and symbols, including the burning cross, to convey its ideology of hate.

Continued Rhetoric: This religious rhetoric is not confined to the past. As recently as 2018, a white supremacist group with links to the Klan asserted in a newspaper that "Our King and leader is God Almighty, and our doctrine is the Holy Bible. God is on our side".

14 September 2025, 05:00

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
blah lbah lbah i dream of dildos

you got something cogent to say, dildo man? oh, btb, the klan is a deMS-13 construct

3,2,1

14 September 2025, 05:05

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 14 September 2025 05:00

14 September 2025, 05:09

Magine Enigam

AI Overview

Yes, Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 attackers repeatedly claimed that God was on their side, using religious justifications for their actions. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda framed the attacks as a form of holy war ($jihad$) intended to defend Muslims against what they characterized as American aggression.

Key evidence for their religious justification includes:

1996 fatwa: In this "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places," bin Laden used Quranic language to call for Muslims to kill Americans and plunder their money.

1998 fatwa: Issued under the banner of the "International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders," this decree explicitly called for killing Americans, including civilians, anywhere they could be found.

Hijackers' instructions: The hijackers received instructions filled with religious exhortations, telling them to pray for victory and to welcome death for the sake of God. The document encourages the attackers to find "tranquility, because the time between you and your marriage [in heaven] is very short".

Bin Laden's statements after 9/11: In a December 2001 video, bin Laden thanked God for enabling the hijackers to shake "the throne of America" and strike the U.S.
economy.

2004 video statement: Shortly before the U.S. presidential election, bin Laden reiterated that al-Qaeda's motivations were based on grievances related to U.S. policies in the Muslim world, and framed the attacks as a necessary retaliation. He claimed "free men who don't sleep under oppression" must "restore freedom to our nation". This religious rhetoric was used to justify mass murder and violence, but is a radical and distorted interpretation of the Islamic faith.

The 9/11 attacks are not considered legitimate or morally justifiable under any standard interpretation of Islamic or moral law.

14 September 2025, 05:17

Magine Enigam

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These are results for did Charlie Kirk claim there should be no distinction between church and state

AI Overview
Yes, Charlie Kirk did claim there should be no distinction between church and state, stating in 2022 that the separation of church and state was a "fabrication". His views on the matter have evolved, with his earlier stance supporting the separation.

Earlier view (2018)
In 2018, Kirk stated that "we do have a separation of church and state" and that "we should support that".

During this time, he advocated for a "secular worldview" in politics, criticizing attempts by the evangelical right to impose Christian morality through government policy.

Shift in position (post-2019)
Kirk's views shifted dramatically starting in late 2019, influenced by his increasing involvement with religious leaders and the embrace of Christian nationalist ideology.

By 2022, he openly reversed his position, declaring on his podcast, "There is no separation of church and state... It's a fabrication. It's a fiction. It's not in the Constitution. It's made up by secular humanists".

Connection to Christian nationalism
Kirk's current position is aligned with Christian nationalism, the belief that Christians should dominate government and other areas of American life.

He is known for promoting the "Seven Mountain Mandate," a dominionist theology that encourages Christians to take control of key societal spheres, including government, media, and education.

In 2021, he founded TPUSA Faith to "eliminate wokeism from the American pulpit" and galvanize Christian political activism.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...tionalism-rcna156565

Charlie Kirk once pushed a 'secular worldview.' Now he's fighting to make America Christian again.
In 2018, Kirk urged conservative Christians to respect the separation of church and state. Today, he calls that foundational principle “a fabrication.”

June 12, 2024, 5:00 AM EDT / Updated June 12, 2024, 1:33 PM EDT
By Mike Hixenbaugh and Allan Smith