Us Navy detected implosion and positioned it when it happened!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...8605d50499c59d2&ei=8

So why in the hell didn't they tell anybody?

They did. Contacted the Coast Guard at the time on Sunday but the info got lost in the ozone somehow.

But if the Navy had contacted the Coast Guard, why did the CG send rescue/recovery ships and act like it was a rescue if they were pretty sure it was toast?

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Originally posted by jdollar:
They did. Contacted the Coast Guard at the time on Sunday but the info got lost in the ozone somehow.

Tonight on ABC News, Robert Ballard and James Cameron were particularly critical of the design and construction. Also the vessel was not certified by any organization that certifies vessels/submersibles. The company was sued by an employee a few years ago because of a basic unsafe design and he blew the whistle. Suit was settled in his favor and result was sealed……

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Originally posted by Bobster:
But if the Navy had contacted the Coast Guard, why did the CG send rescue/recovery ships and act like it was a rescue if they were pretty sure it was toast?

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Originally posted by jdollar:
They did. Contacted the Coast Guard at the time on Sunday but the info got lost in the ozone somehow.

I guess because the acoustic signal wasn’t definitive even though it came from the general area.

Well, better safe than sorry. Damn shame though.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Bobster:
But if the Navy had contacted the Coast Guard, why did the CG send rescue/recovery ships and act like it was a rescue if they were pretty sure it was toast?

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Originally posted by jdollar:
They did. Contacted the Coast Guard at the time on Sunday but the info got lost in the ozone somehow.

I guess because the acoustic signal wasn’t definitive even though it came from the general area.

And it made a nice diversion from that drug addled fuck Hunter.

No shit!!!!!

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Originally posted by bluefish:
And it made a nice diversion from that drug addled fuck Hunter.

Now the human vermin will make millions out of it.

I am sorry to see them drown.

But, they have signed an agreement that they COULD die.

And we are talking about people who are grown up, and obviously successful in their lives.

So why the court involvement?

Sheik, first they didn't drown. Mercifully, if experts are to be believed then they had no knowledge of what happened due to the speed of the event. There is a report out there the son of the Paki onboard was scared and didn't want to go but went because it was a father's day trip.

I imagine the suits will be ground in some sort of product liability of US Tort law claiming defective design and negligence. I also imagine there is a potential for criminal negligence if they can piece together enough evidence to paint a picture that the company under Rush purposely avoided pressure testing of the vessel from independent 3d parties as is being reported. It is being estimated that the vessel was approx 10000 feet down.

To my mind the bigger question in need of answer is why the USN, if true, heard the sound of the implosion and didn't immediately coordinate communication with other groups to let them know what they heard. It's not like they don't know the sound of an implosion nor are they likely not aware of who is where in the water since Titanic is a known wreck location. Why allow all those assets and play this out nearly a week when a deep water ROV was the needed tool which completed its mission soon after deployment. See? No tin foil hat but something doesn't all add up.

Of all the missuses of taxpayers dollars, and we could go on! this certainly doesn't rate.

I doubt anyone can definitively conclude anything on any subject based on,"heard something". The Navy heard something, the other rescuers got visual identification and confirmed, ......what?

I'd rather see our government put time and material into rescuing Americans than bombing an Iraqi.

" secret" program
now not a secret--

sorry they died, the Navy should not have allowed this info to be released by the Coasties

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Now the human vermin will make millions out of it.

I am sorry to see them drown.

But, they have signed an agreement that they COULD die.

And we are talking about people who are grown up, and obviously successful in their lives.

So why the court involvement?

Have you seen the releases? Do you know anything about the law regarding releases? As a proud member of the human vermin club, I can tell you that I've litigated the issue a number of times and it's not nearly as simple as your uninformed comments indicate it is. Releases are enforceable sometimes, other times not. It depends on how the release was drafted and many other factors. And, gross negligence isn't a cause of action that can typically ever be released.

Do you know whether or not the previous problems relating to the sub were disclosed to the decedents?

You're just like every other lawyer-hater I've encountered in my long career: if it was a member of your family that had been squashed like a bug on that sub due to the potential negligence and gross negligence of the sub owners, you'd be beating down a lawyer's door seeking to hold them responsible for any wrongful actions on their part.

Not always Mike. A good friends father had heart surgery. The surgeon crossed arteries that ended up with the patient loosing his leg below the knee.
The surgeon had the day before, run the Boston marathon, got up the next AM for a 6 hr drive back to do the 8 AM surgery.
Lawyers were ringing his phone off the hook trying to get him to sue. He told them all to fuck off, he was alive and thats what counted.
Your vermin pals wouldnt leave him alone until he got an unlisted number.

It is against the Professional Rules of Conduct here, to directly solicit a person who is not already a client here (I think everywhere).

That is how we hit our first 7 figure case when I left the big firm. A man got killed by a commercial trucker. Everyone started calling the mother of his child.

I did not. They appreciated that.

As he said he was alive, and it was his choice to make. Most people, including those who say they hate lawyer, to MM’s point come running when their loved ones are injured killed.

I hate doctors, and try to keep from going fever be damned. However, if I pass out tomorrow or start having a seizure, someone is calling an ambulance and family doc (I never go to).

The little newspaper had a community section. In it, they told of John loosing a leg due to complications. The article was to let neighbors know, so they could check in and offer help. The leaches saw payday. Legal, ethical or not, they caused a great deal of stress that was not asked for or needed. Shit like that is why lawyers are hated.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Not always Mike. A good friends father had heart surgery. The surgeon crossed arteries that ended up with the patient loosing his leg below the knee.
The surgeon had the day before, run the Boston marathon, got up the next AM for a 6 hr drive back to do the 8 AM surgery.
Lawyers were ringing his phone off the hook trying to get him to sue. He told them all to fuck off, he was alive and thats what counted.
Your vermin pals wouldnt leave him alone until he got an unlisted number.

First, let me reiterate Heym's comments....lawyers can't solicit business from folks that they know need lawyers....

But, Let me ask you a question TB40. If a drunk driver killed your parents or your wife and children in a motor vehicle collision...do you think you should have the right to sue the drunk driver? Or, would you just forget about it and let bygones be bygones? Or, would you hire a lawyer to represent you in a lawsuit against the drunk driver?

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First, let me reiterate Heym's comments....lawyers can't solicit business from folks that they know need lawyers....

AREN"T SUPPOSED TO--

yet- daily do via surrogates

Money would not bring them back Mike.
I may take retribution on the driver myself, but suing an insurance co. would mean nothing to me.

It is about money and not about money.

First, we can only punish bad actors two ways take their time or their money. Money taken keeps bad actions from happening again.

Second, when a loved one is taken that others depended on including children, the I would not sue for money calculations change.

This is a case where it is obvious there is a lot of risk, so I’m not sure they deserve compensation for losses.

However, it’s also looking like the company cut corners, and ignored legitimate concerns. The lawsuit is how we have decided to make some of these decisions.

Given the CEO was down there and killed, I guess he personally thought it was being done right.

Kind of hard to sue him now…

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First, let me reiterate Heym's comments....lawyers can't solicit business from folks that they know need lawyers....

I was misdiagnosed by my PCP and landed in the ICU and lawyers were calling me while I was still in the hospital.
I had meningitis that my doctor insisted was a sinus infection.
The ER sent me home telling me it was a migraine.
Eventually, it progressed enough that I couldn't stand or speak clearly and they admitted me. By the time the infectious disease doc and neurologists figured it out, I was almost dead - or at least was ready to die.
It's surreal as a 19 year old to be laying in the ER thinking death would be alright...

Strangely, the lawyers stopped calling me when I had a full recovery. "Are you sure you don't have any permanent disability"? was all they wanted to know.
I was just happy to be alive and OK.
They were clearly disappointed...

If two sets of facts are true 1) that the sun failed professional standards, those failures were not disclosed; and 2) the company built the sun not up to industry standards I strongly disagree.

I do not know. That is the reporting I have heard. I know how we can find out.

When an insurence company pays, it does not prevent bad things from happening again. You are full of shit on that.
And lawyers either dont care about what they should do, or work around it.

Insurance dues not pay punitive s. Tell it to McDonalds and FedX.

Locally, our country school bus driver simply negligently ram over a child. There was no punitive.

You bet the school wrote new regulations following insurance paying a couple of million.

Your statement is not correct.

Do you honestly think the school changed its rules solely because they had a negligent driver run over a kid?

I think most school districts are run by elected school boards. By and large, I think the schools are run by people who want to do right. Even in the absence of a legal settlement, I suspect the school would have changed their practices once they were aware of the problem.

Now, what changes that individual negligent driver may or may not have made yo don't address. Any proof that the individual person who was actually negligent changed behaviors?

All that usually happens as a direct result of an insurance company payout is your rates increase.

Indirectly, policies may change.

I honestly believe the school changed it rules bc it got its backside sued off.

Just like when my old firm sued FedX, the Makers of Mask sold to coal miners, and McDonalds.

The individual driver was fired. Now, all children of elementary school age must be walked off the bus and delivered to the control of an adult, or the bus cannot pull out.

That change came because of legal action over a neglect wrongful death.

The question was asked to me emperor.
What would I do?
I answered, and you didnt like my answer.
As I said, my daughter wouldnt be back would she. A drunk, who may not even have insurance is going to do what to replace her?
You are just more slime.
If I felt something needed to be done, I would do it.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If two sets of facts are true 1) that the sun failed professional standards, those failures were not disclosed; and 2) the company built the sun not up to industry standards I strongly disagree.

I do not know. That is the reporting I have heard. I know how we can find out.

WTF does the sun have to do with this??

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I just do not understand how the main ship completely loses the sub.

Even if you lost comunication, the path should be precharted. They have done this tour before.

This was the WallMart model. Safety is highly over rated.

Grizz

It is being reported some level of human remains have been discovered in the Titan wreckage.

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This was the WallMart model. Safety is highly over rated.

"out of date carbon fiber materials used in construction"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...08972932d24d7&ei=154

The Dark Descent: USS Thresher's Tragic Nuclear Submarine Implosion
Story by Chris Littlechild • Yesterday 11:00 PM

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I remember the Thresher incident.

When I was in Navy boot camp, early on they gathered us all up to watch some patriotic films. The main thing was to sort out those who thought being on a sub was cool. A few volunteered afterwards.

I saw what was going on and kept quiet and avoided that, like a disease. I like being above the water surface.

IF true,
the “leaked” transcript of the Titan shows a rapid decent
(faster by an hour than the schedule)
as well as indications they knew they were in real trouble prior to the last few transmissions.

Additionally,
there are implications the tail compartment may have been taking on water the entire trip down.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/trav...-it-real/ar-AA1drtZm

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/202...munication-with-sub/

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...08972932d24d7&ei=154

The Dark Descent: USS Thresher's Tragic Nuclear Submarine Implosion
Story by Chris Littlechild • Yesterday 11:00 PM

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I remember the Thresher incident.

When I was in Navy boot camp, early on they gathered us all up to watch some patriotic films. The main thing was to sort out those who thought being on a sub was cool. A few volunteered afterwards.

I saw what was going on and kept quiet and avoided that, like a disease. I like being above the water surface.

I hope I don't sound like to much of a jerk, but we humans are land mammals. Not avian, not marine, feet on the ground land mammals.

I fly frequently and am on the water more, but I ain't no seal and I ain't no eagle. I remain very clear of my limitations.

We provide remedies at law so people won't resort to self-help or retribution.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

When I was in Navy boot camp, early on they gathered us all up to watch some patriotic films. The main thing was to sort out those who thought being on a sub was cool. A few volunteered afterwards.

I saw what was going on and kept quiet and avoided that, like a disease. I like being above the water surface.

100%!!! I would have been just like you!

When they offered me the opportunity to volunteer for the marching band, I accepted that invitation. I couldn't think of anything better to do when in boot camp. A little respect is a good thing.

Then came the aptitude tests.

They suggested a good fit for me was quartermaster school. I jumped on that. Not only above water, but on the bridge (pilot house) navigating.

Quartermaster (QM)
QMs stand watch as assistants to officers of the deck and the navigator; serve as helmsman and perform ship control, navigation and bridge watch duties. QMs procure, correct, use and stow navigational and oceanographic publications and oceanographic charts.

QM - MyNavyHR

Navy.mil
https://www.mynavyhr.navy.m

The school was in Hawaii - another incentive.