Or the mullahs in Iran, for that matter.

if you gotta ask your in desperate need of more reading comprehension.

quote:

Originally posted by Lamar:
if you gotta ask your in desperate need of more reading comprehension.

They are all governments run by Bronze-age superstitions instead of any notion of democracy, so what's the difference?

If you had to chose one to live under, which would it be?

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
If you had to chose one to live under, which would it be?

Won't happen, I'll die fighting.

Your religion may tell you what you may and may not do but it will never tell me.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
If you had to chose one to live under, which would it be?

Won't happen, I'll die fighting.

Your religion may tell you what you may and may not do but it will never tell me.

Im an atheist. If a category is needed. So by and large religion doesn't tell me what to do either.
I kind of feel though that the die fighting answer is more about dodging the question, and if you are talking about a christian nationalism thats so stringent that its needs dying over, in a handmaids tale kind of way, then yep no difference. But we dont have an example in reality of that do we?

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
If you had to chose one to live under, which would it be?

Won't happen, I'll die fighting.

Your religion may tell you what you may and may not do but it will never tell me.

Im an atheist. If a category is needed. So by and large religion doesn't tell me what to do either.
I kind of feel though that the die fighting answer is more about dodging the question, and if you are talking about a christian nationalism thats so stringent that its needs dying over, in a handmaids tale kind of way, then yep no difference. But we dont have an example in reality of that do we?

We have a Party here that wants to impose a theocracy on the U.S.

Give the Christian Nationalists a generation or two in power, and they would be indistinguishable from the Taliban.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Give the Christian Nationalists a generation or two in power, and they would be indistinguishable from the Taliban.

Think they'll adopt the turbans?

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
If you had to chose one to live under, which would it be?

Won't happen, I'll die fighting.

Your religion may tell you what you may and may not do but it will never tell me.

Im an atheist. If a category is needed. So by and large religion doesn't tell me what to do either.
I kind of feel though that the die fighting answer is more about dodging the question, and if you are talking about a christian nationalism thats so stringent that its needs dying over, in a handmaids tale kind of way, then yep no difference. But we dont have an example in reality of that do we?

Read this.

The end goal is the same, but the means are distinctions making an a comparison of means impossible.

The Alabama Supreme Court decision that frozen embryos are "persons" is so radically "pro-life" that the University of Alabama hospital has quit offering in-vitro fertilization to couples wanting a child.

Interesting reading. Yet in the same way you have confidence Biden will win, I just cant see christian nationalism taking over.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
If you had to chose one to live under, which would it be?

Won't happen, I'll die fighting.

Your religion may tell you what you may and may not do but it will never tell me.

Im an atheist. If a category is needed. So by and large religion doesn't tell me what to do either.
I kind of feel though that the die fighting answer is more about dodging the question, and if you are talking about a christian nationalism thats so stringent that its needs dying over, in a handmaids tale kind of way, then yep no difference. But we dont have an example in reality of that do we?

I think atheism is just like religion, the flip side of the same coin. Neither religious belief nor atheist belief is based in fact. Prove there is no Santa Claus. The only good thing I see about atheism is they are not righteously trying to dominate the country and others.

Likewise, if you want example, look no further than countries whose system of governance is based in Sharia law. Look at the goals of Christian Nationalism. There's little difference, except C N is a morphed version of a democratic republic twisted and exploited to serve a belief system/worldview for national compliance thereof.

Definition:
"Christian nationalism is a type of religious nationalism that is affiliated with Christianity. It primarily focuses on the internal politics of society, such as legislating civil and criminal laws that reflect their view of Christianity and the role of religion/s in political and social life." Wikipedia

Here's what Heritage Foundation says about it: https://www.heritage.org/conse...59UU_-xoCc0gQAvD_BwE

Remember, Heritage Foundation's Project 25 is for the most part spelling out the Christian Nationalist goals and means and agenda, and they have many supporting and cooperating orgs, some purely Christian.

"Christian fascism is a far-right political ideology that denotes an intersection between fascism and Christianity. It is sometimes referred to as "Christofascism", a neologism which was coined in 1970 by the liberation theologian Dorothee Sölle."

Christofascism "disposed or allowed Christians, to impose themselves not only upon other religions but other cultures, and political parties which do not march under the banner of the final, normative, victorious Christ" – as Paul F. Knitter describes Sölle's view.[6][7] Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...n_fascism#References

Tom F. Driver, the Paul Tillich Professor Emeritus at Union Theological Seminary, expressed concern "that the worship of God in Christ not divide Christian from Jew, man from woman, clergy from laity, white from black, or rich from poor". To him, Christianity is in constant danger of Christofascism. He stated that "[w]e fear christofascism, which we see as the political direction of all attempts to place Christ at the center of social life and history" and that "[m]uch of the churches' teaching about Christ has turned into something that is dictatorial in its heart and is preparing society for an American fascism".[4][5]

Christofascism "disposed or allowed Christians, to impose themselves not only upon other religions but other cultures, and political parties which do not march under the banner of the final, normative, victorious Christ" – as Paul F. Knitter describes Sölle's view.[6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ascism#Christomonism

Christomonism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...history_and_politics

American history and politics

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Just in case anyone thinks I don't know what I'm talking about, as I have said before, I grew up indoctrinated as a Christian fundamentalist, and escaped. But I'm still surrounded by it. This is the so-called Bible Belt. It seems that everyone around here supports Trump and Christian Nationalism, and most of my relatives too, and all the preachers I know of.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
The Alabama Supreme Court decision that frozen embryos are "persons" is so radically "pro-life" that the University of Alabama hospital has quit offering in-vitro fertilization to couples wanting a child.

Lane will be along shortly to tout the virtues of this....fertility specialists afraid to help couples with IVF for fear of arrest and incarceration. Pro-Life my ass.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...49fd0bea810e15&ei=30

Mike Johnson and His Delusions of Religious Grandeur are Making People Very Nervous
Opinion by Charles P. Pierce • 16h

(excerpts)

Speaker of he House Mike Johnson is surely the most obvious theocrat to occupy a space in the presidential line of succession in two centuries. Certainly, no other Speaker has declared himself to be the modern Moses while the majority he purports to lead thins almost to invisibility. Now, it seems that Moses Mike and his delusions of religious grandeur are making people very nervous.

The politically active evangelical splinter Protestantism with whom the GOP made a bargain back in the late 1970's has come finally to collect what has been owed to it since the election of Ronald Reagan. It achieved its long-held goal of overturning Roe v. Wade, and the current Republican frontrunner, perhaps the most thoroughgoing heathen ever to be elected* elected to the presidency* , has promised to sign a nationwide ban on the procedure if one reaches his desk if and when he returns to misrule.

Heritage's "Project 2025: A Mandate For Leadership" a proposed policy plan for the Grifter Restoration is nothing short of a blueprint for a new, muscular patriarchy. The damned thing is almost 900 pages long, and every one of those pages is dripping with unbridled lust for authoritarianism in all aspects of American life, including "the Family." It turns the entire public health apparatus into an investigative apparatus to chase down anyone associated with having, performed, or enabling an abortion. That, of course, while enfeebling in the Centers For Disease Control's ability to respond to any future pandemic because...freedom.

The document goes to war with the FDA over mifepristone. Every element of the public health bureaucracy is turned into a fanatical modern equivalent of Operation Rescue. For example, the proposal tightly restricts IVF and other aids to fertility, as well as stem-cell protocols, on the basis of anti-choice philosophizing.

This is not an idle document. It is the product of a massive collective effort on the part of almost the entire Powell Memo apparatus behind American conservatism. This is the monster behind Mike Johnson. This is his golden calf.

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"Powell Memo apparatus"

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...531&lightschemeovr=1

https://newrepublic.com/articl...mo-election-strategy

After 48 Years, Democrats Still Haven’t Gotten the Memo
Lewis Powell once drafted a how-to guide for maximizing political power. Only one party took his advice. Here's how Democrats can catch up.

quote:

I think atheism is just like religion, the flip side of the same coin. Neither religious belief nor atheist belief is based in fact.

Hence why I said, If a category is needed.

You guys are still ignoring the basis of my question though.
Forget that you dont like either Sharia law or CN. I can accept that.
Now choose one.

quote:

Now choose one.

No

That's my choice.

Can you accept that?

Absolutely. But as long as you realise that I see it as a weakness in the premise. Because there are differences, between the two examples and I know which one you would choose. So do you. You just dont want to have to admit it.

You give me the smiles.

I think it's a weakness to let ourselves get to where such a choice is relevant.

My argument is based on the premise that Christian Nationalism is not some hypothetical, but is real, and thumping at the door.

Some hypothetical choice between which nasty religion dominates me is like imagining playing in a pond of alligators and snapping turtles vs a pond of crocodiles.

In one pond, if the alligators aren't hungry at the moment the snapping turtles will get you anyway, and leave the scraps for when the gators get hungry. In the other pond the crocodiles are always hungry.

Great avoidance skills.

Which is it, real and thumping on the door? or hypothetical?

you guys made the comparison between CN and Sharia law.

Ive simply made the point by asking the question, that they are different. I got my answer in your refusal to reply.

Thank you.

I replied.

Thumping at the door is a metaphor to represent something real.

In the USA we will never have to worry about Sharia Law imbedded.

But many don't know or deny the real deal with Christian Nationalism. It's not like some boogie. They have a well developed and well funded plan and plenty of relentless zealotry and righteousness for fuel. If they succeed, the effect will be in many ways the same as Sharia Law. It will be structured differently - more like fascism. They will claim ultra-patriotism, and say they honor the constitution secondarily to the Bible. I know that because that's what they say now.

The difference, short of their transition success, is that now we can still tell them to fuch-off, in the media and in the vote. If they succeed, voice and vote won't matter, and might be dangerous. IOW, Christian Nationalism is not benevolent. It's malevolent and fosters violence as a means to an end - the end being domination. If you don't think so, look at Michael Flynn.

https://youtu.be/iHqohI-ZNhY?si=6-PjTCCzSr0FN6j2

Michael Flynn: From Government Insider to Holy Warrior

https://youtu.be/vyZpJX7Ww0M?si=gMbFSQxEzdc0xVrb

Trump’s evangelical spiritual adviser prays for his reelection

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
If you had to chose one to live under, which would it be?

Won't happen, I'll die fighting.

Your religion may tell you what you may and may not do but it will never tell me.

When you’re getting ready for the fight then remember to first clean your weapon from the muzzle end and do us the favor.

M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

How has that "minority of Conservatives" gotten control of the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court?

By lying and cheating, of course. We all watched Supreme Court nominees lie at their confirmation hearings about Roe v Wade and leap at the first opportunity to overturn it. Extreme gerrymandering, assisted by that same Supreme Court, such as that being broken up in Wisconsin, gave them the House.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

How has that "minority of Conservatives" gotten control of the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court?

By lying and cheating, of course. We all watched Supreme Court nominees lie at their confirmation hearings about Roe v Wade and leap at the first opportunity to overturn it. Extreme gerrymandering, assisted by that same Supreme Court, such as that being broken up in Wisconsin, gave them the House.

"The one being broken up in Wisconsin"



Come on Dude .

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

How has that "minority of Conservatives" gotten control of the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court?

By lying and cheating, of course. We all watched Supreme Court nominees lie at their confirmation hearings about Roe v Wade and leap at the first opportunity to overturn it. Extreme gerrymandering, assisted by that same Supreme Court, such as that being broken up in Wisconsin, gave them the House.

"The one being broken up in Wisconsin"



Come on Dude .

Wisconsin's congressional district maps have been considered the most gerrymandered in the Country for years.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

How has that "minority of Conservatives" gotten control of the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court?

By lying and cheating, of course. We all watched Supreme Court nominees lie at their confirmation hearings about Roe v Wade and leap at the first opportunity to overturn it. Extreme gerrymandering, assisted by that same Supreme Court, such as that being broken up in Wisconsin, gave them the House.

"The one being broken up in Wisconsin"



Come on Dude .

Wisconsin's congressional district maps have been considered the most gerrymandered in the Country for years.

And as you said, " being broken up"

Apparently the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy! The 38% isn't in control.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

How has that "minority of Conservatives" gotten control of the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court?

By lying and cheating, of course. We all watched Supreme Court nominees lie at their confirmation hearings about Roe v Wade and leap at the first opportunity to overturn it. Extreme gerrymandering, assisted by that same Supreme Court, such as that being broken up in Wisconsin, gave them the House.

"The one being broken up in Wisconsin"



Come on Dude .

Wisconsin's congressional district maps have been considered the most gerrymandered in the Country for years.

And as you said, " being broken up"

Apparently the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy! The 38% isn't in control.

Only because Democrats managed to flip a Supreme Court seat. The Republican majority on the Court had protected the Republican gerrymanders.

I thought it was Illinois considered the most gerrymandered. Look at their map, it's like it was drawn by a 3 yr old with Parkinsons.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I thought it was Illinois considered the most gerrymandered. Look at their map, it's like it was drawn by a 3 yr old with Parkinsons.

I got a chuckle out of the first two words, "That must have been a novel sensation for you" immediately came to mind when I saw them.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I replied.

Thumping at the door is a metaphor to represent something real.

In the USA we will never have to worry about Sharia Law imbedded.

But many don't know or deny the real deal with Christian Nationalism. It's not like some boogie. They have a well developed and well funded plan and plenty of relentless zealotry and righteousness for fuel. If they succeed, the effect will be in many ways the same as Sharia Law. It will be structured differently - more like fascism. They will claim ultra-patriotism, and say they honor the constitution secondarily to the Bible. I know that because that's what they say now.

The difference, short of their transition success, is that now we can still tell them to fuch-off, in the media and in the vote. If they succeed, voice and vote won't matter, and might be dangerous. IOW, Christian Nationalism is not benevolent. It's malevolent and fosters violence as a means to an end - the end being domination. If you don't think so, look at Michael Flynn.

https://youtu.be/iHqohI-ZNhY?si=6-PjTCCzSr0FN6j2

Michael Flynn: From Government Insider to Holy Warrior

https://youtu.be/vyZpJX7Ww0M?si=gMbFSQxEzdc0xVrb

Trump’s evangelical spiritual adviser prays for his reelection

Yes you have replied.

Jeepers its a long draw out process to get from the inherent flaw in the initial premise, to something more closely resembling the truth.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

This is something worth not forgetting. And as is generally the case, its the voters in the centre who hold sway. The good old decent, middle ground person who dislikes the conceits and extremes of either end.

This is from the Conservative Political Action Committee meeting, I think yesterday or the day before:

https://twitter.com/TheBryanBa.../1760437556506951751

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

Good try there, Scott. I partially read the article per your link. It could be reasonable, and I'm not. I see the stats you are relying on there, but I'm not convinced they represent your premise.

Here's one quote from the article, which may be significant:

"relatively few people categorize themselves as "very" conservative or liberal"

You asked one question in your quoted post:

"So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?"

I think that's a great question, so I'll answer it best I can.

First thought - the far-right people I know of don't consider themselves far right. Same for the Christian Nationalists. They consider themselves main-stream, which would skew any poll like the one you linked.

Next - you used the words "ruse" and "predict".

Ruse means trick and I'm not predicting. The plan is well developed and funded and spelled out, and relentless. It's not a trick. It's a plan long in the making and thorough. I'm not predicting the success. I just take what they say literally and believe their goals are possible. However, success is a relative thing and cumulative. After all they elected Trump, and he's the likely candidate again. They thwarted Obama's SCOTUS appointment and got three far right justices for their effort. They got long term abortion precedent crushed. They got MAGA Mike Moses, Gym Jordon, etc., etc.

I don't think a "minority" of conservatives could pull that off. I think the "minority" is a fallacy considering the complicit and the complacent and the compliant and the conditioned and the clueless.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

Good try there, Scott. I partially read the article per your link. It could be reasonable, and I'm not. I see the stats you are relying on there, but I'm not convinced they represent your premise.

Here's one quote from the article, which may be significant:

"relatively few people categorize themselves as "very" conservative or liberal"

You asked one question in your quoted post:

"So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?"

I think that's a great question, so I'll answer it best I can.

First thought - the far-right people I know of don't consider themselves far right. Same for the Christian Nationalists. They consider themselves main-stream, which would skew any poll like the one you linked.

Next - you used the words "ruse" and "predict".

Ruse means trick and I'm not predicting. The plan is well developed and funded and spelled out, and relentless. It's not a trick. It's a plan long in the making and thorough. I'm not predicting the success. I just take what they say literally and believe their goals are possible. However, success is a relative thing and cumulative. After all they elected Trump, and he's the likely candidate again. They thwarted Obama's SCOTUS appointment and got three far right justices for their effort. They got long term abortion precedent crushed. They got MAGA Mike Moses, Gym Jordon, etc., etc.

I don't think a "minority" of conservatives could pull that off. I think the "minority" is a fallacy considering the complicit and the complacent and the compliant and the conditioned and the clueless.

You know I'm not going to argue with you.

But if I had a plan that as you say is, "well developed and funded and spelled out" to get the majority of Americans to help me conquer the planet Neptune, how successful do you think I'd be?

That a minority may have nefarious plans, "well developed, and funded and spelled out" for the dissolution of our Constitution doesn't mean the others will go along.

I'm afraid I don't believe you just get to assign fringe radical conservatism to other people without their input. For example, I consider myself very conservative and can defend that position point by point and I have no idea what you are talking about.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

Good try there, Scott. I partially read the article per your link. It could be reasonable, and I'm not. I see the stats you are relying on there, but I'm not convinced they represent your premise.

Here's one quote from the article, which may be significant:

"relatively few people categorize themselves as "very" conservative or liberal"

You asked one question in your quoted post:

"So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?"

I think that's a great question, so I'll answer it best I can.

First thought - the far-right people I know of don't consider themselves far right. Same for the Christian Nationalists. They consider themselves main-stream, which would skew any poll like the one you linked.

Next - you used the words "ruse" and "predict".

Ruse means trick and I'm not predicting. The plan is well developed and funded and spelled out, and relentless. It's not a trick. It's a plan long in the making and thorough. I'm not predicting the success. I just take what they say literally and believe their goals are possible. However, success is a relative thing and cumulative. After all they elected Trump, and he's the likely candidate again. They thwarted Obama's SCOTUS appointment and got three far right justices for their effort. They got long term abortion precedent crushed. They got MAGA Mike Moses, Gym Jordon, etc., etc.

I don't think a "minority" of conservatives could pull that off. I think the "minority" is a fallacy considering the complicit and the complacent and the compliant and the conditioned and the clueless.

You know I'm not going to argue with you.

But if I had a plan that as you say is, "well developed and funded and spelled out" to get the majority of Americans to help me conquer the planet Neptune, how successful do you think I'd be?

That a minority may have nefarious plans, "well developed, and funded and spelled out" for the dissolution of our Constitution doesn't mean the others will go along.

I'm afraid I don't believe you just get to assign fringe radical conservatism to other people without their input. For example, I consider myself very conservative and can defend that position point by point and I have no idea what you are talking about.

You should familiarize yourself with "Project 2025", which is the people with/behind Trump's vision for the Country.

So because this is a relatively new topic to me, Ive been surfing the net and taking in as much info as I can on it. Its amazing where the strands lead you. I want to declare that after a day of reading and watching, Im more concerned about CN than I was for sure.

And then....


Something comes up that reminds me exactly why such calamitous ideas like CN take hold. The fucking absolute foolishness and hypocrisy that drives people away from supporting a decent middle ground.


It reminds me that we are in time where decent common sense is so rare, that it should be treasured more than gold or diamonds when its found.

Google releases its AI

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
M.E., I think you are off a bit.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/3...s-moderates-tie.aspx

I look around a little before copying this link, the numbers seem to not change. Apparently 38% of the nation considered itself conservative. Of that 38%, id think it obvious not all would advocate Christian Nationalism.
60% of Americans label themselves liberal or moderate. 60%. Id think the entire 60% doesn't favor Christian Nationalism.

So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?

I'm not seeing it.

Good try there, Scott. I partially read the article per your link. It could be reasonable, and I'm not. I see the stats you are relying on there, but I'm not convinced they represent your premise.

Here's one quote from the article, which may be significant:

"relatively few people categorize themselves as "very" conservative or liberal"

You asked one question in your quoted post:

"So really, how is this minority of Conservatives going to pull this grand ruse off your predict?"

I think that's a great question, so I'll answer it best I can.

First thought - the far-right people I know of don't consider themselves far right. Same for the Christian Nationalists. They consider themselves main-stream, which would skew any poll like the one you linked.

Next - you used the words "ruse" and "predict".

Ruse means trick and I'm not predicting. The plan is well developed and funded and spelled out, and relentless. It's not a trick. It's a plan long in the making and thorough. I'm not predicting the success. I just take what they say literally and believe their goals are possible. However, success is a relative thing and cumulative. After all they elected Trump, and he's the likely candidate again. They thwarted Obama's SCOTUS appointment and got three far right justices for their effort. They got long term abortion precedent crushed. They got MAGA Mike Moses, Gym Jordon, etc., etc.

I don't think a "minority" of conservatives could pull that off. I think the "minority" is a fallacy considering the complicit and the complacent and the compliant and the conditioned and the clueless.

You know I'm not going to argue with you.

But if I had a plan that as you say is, "well developed and funded and spelled out" to get the majority of Americans to help me conquer the planet Neptune, how successful do you think I'd be?

That a minority may have nefarious plans, "well developed, and funded and spelled out" for the dissolution of our Constitution doesn't mean the others will go along.

I'm afraid I don't believe you just get to assign fringe radical conservatism to other people without their input. For example, I consider myself very conservative and can defend that position point by point and I have no idea what you are talking about.

You should familiarize yourself with "Project 2025", which is the people with/behind Trump's vision for the Country.

When you say Trump do you mean the Trump that didn't win the popular vote in either election? That Trump?
I certainly will not familiarize myself. I plan on not voting for trump, not having anything to do with his people's strategy or vision. My vote as it applies to Trump is "no" and that's a blanket "no". I'll say no to lunch with Trump, no to his sneakers, no to his PAC. No to Trump's campaign speeches and no to Trump's social media. No.

Regardless my friend M.E.'s suspicions and prophesies, I am inclined to think the majority of the nation will also just say no.

I think it's easy to oppose Trump and Biden on the real, the actual, the here in plain sight. Trump and Biden really screwed up Afghanistan, Corona and spending. Both Meatheads have given us adequate reasons in plain English to never ever vote for either again.

We crossed posts in cyberspace. Instead of deleting the following, I'll let it stand.

We posted one minute apart. But, basically you answered my question/point.

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I am inclined to think the majority of the nation will also just say no.

Fair enough. I too am so inclined - and I hope it's not wishful thinking and giving too much credit.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

You know I'm not going to argue with you.

But if I had a plan that as you say is, "well developed and funded and spelled out" to get the majority of Americans to help me conquer the planet Neptune, how successful do you think I'd be?

That a minority may have nefarious plans, "well developed, and funded and spelled out" for the dissolution of our Constitution doesn't mean the others will go along.

I'm afraid I don't believe you just get to assign fringe radical conservatism to other people without their input. For example, I consider myself very conservative and can defend that position point by point and I have no idea what you are talking about.

Well, I don't want to take advantage or liberties because you're not going to argue with me.

Your Neptune argument gets me - uhh - gives me a clue about where you are with this.

"others will go along" ???

What exactly are you doing ???

"input" ???

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I don't think a "minority" of conservatives could pull that off. I think the "minority" is a fallacy considering the complicit and the complacent and the compliant and the conditioned and the clueless.

Uhh - where do you fit in ??? Start with the "c" word conservative as the noun, then consider the other "c" words as adjectives.