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Posts: 3651 | Location: Phoenix, Arizona | Registered: 26 April 2010Reply With Quote
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It doesn’t make me view Trump as less repugnant.

I’m on your side in seeing Biden as repugnant as well.

What does the percentage who think both sides are bad do?

Decide which is “worse”?

Vote third party?

Abstain?
 
Posts: 11198 | Location: Minnesota USA | Registered: 15 June 2007Reply With Quote
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It doesn’t make me view Trump as less repugnant.

I’m on your side in seeing Biden as repugnant as well.

What does the percentage who think both sides are bad do?

Decide which is “worse”?

Vote third party?

Abstain?


At this point, it is simply math to me. They are both dopes. Problem is, by voting third party OR just not voting risks Biden being re-elected.

Bill Barr said it best, it's a binary choice and he's supporting Trump for that reason alone. The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.

It's time to make hard decisions DR. Butler. Ask yourself, who will do the least damage? In my assessment , it's Trump.

Sitting on your hands may cost you more than you're willing to pay.


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Posts: 3651 | Location: Phoenix, Arizona | Registered: 26 April 2010Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by crbutler:
It doesn’t make me view Trump as less repugnant.

I’m on your side in seeing Biden as repugnant as well.

What does the percentage who think both sides are bad do?

Decide which is “worse”?

Vote third party?

Abstain?


At this point, it is simply math to me. They are both dopes. Problem is, by voting third party OR just not voting risks Biden being re-elected.

Bill Barr said it best, it's a binary choice and he's supporting Trump for that reason alone. The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.

It's time to make hard decisions DR. Butler. Ask yourself, who will do the least damage? In my assessment , it's Trump.

Sitting on your hands may cost you more than you're willing to pay.


It's always math to you assholes. What will cost you the least....not what's right. Glad to see you so openly advocate it you sad sack of shit.


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The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.


You're posting fiction and disinformation. Biden sought authority to close the border and more resources for enforcement, and the Republicans shot it down! The mindless lackeys did so at Trump's direction to further his political ambition. They let the failure of perfection be the enemy of the good.

Inflation was caused by Covid and the over-reaction thereto, all of which began under Trump. Once inflation gets going, it's very, very hard to stop because business owners and employees all want to catch up with the inflation of other items. Inflation is now a world wide problem. It's ridiculous to blame Biden.

The current world conflicts have nothing to do with who is president of the United States. Don't be so self-centered. Other world governments don't always act based on US considerations. They have their own interests. Biden has provided a lot of material and logistical support to both Israel and the Ukraine. You cannot claim he's weak, without making me laugh. (But that's okay; a good laugh is usually enjoyable.)

I don't know what you're talking about with capital gains. When did he unilaterally raise them without passage by Congress?
 
Posts: 7026 | Location: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho, USA | Registered: 08 March 2013Reply With Quote
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The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains.



Our history is replete with examples of the country being about to survive incompetent Administrations . . . not so much with seditionist Administrations. Pretty easy to see how reasonable people would logically conclude that Biden, albeit a pathetic choice, is the least pathetic choice.


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The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.


You're posting fiction and disinformation. Biden sought authority to close the border and more resources for enforcement, and the Republicans shot it down! The mindless lackeys did so at Trump's direction to further his political ambition. They let the failure of perfection be the enemy of the good.

Inflation was caused by Covid and the over-reaction thereto, all of which began under Trump. Once inflation gets going, it's very, very hard to stop because business owners and employees all want to catch up with the inflation of other items. Inflation is now a world wide problem. It's ridiculous to blame Biden.

The current world conflicts have nothing to do with who is president of the United States. Don't be so self-centered. Other world governments don't always act based on US considerations. They have their own interests. Biden has provided a lot of material and logistical support to both Israel and the Ukraine. You cannot claim he's weak, without making me laugh. (But that's okay; a good laugh is usually enjoyable.)

I don't know what you're talking about with capital gains. When did he unilaterally raise them without passage by Congress?


https://www.forbes.com/newslet...446/?sh=6164d2261ff6
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_...olicies/6201520.html

https://www.nilc.org/issues/im...immigration-actions/

I believe the Senate can pass the 44.6 through reconciliation?


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So President Biden did not unilaterally raise capital gains tax. I would vote to raise it.

We are going to keep ignoring the bi-partisan bill negotiated by the Administration he was willing to sign.
 
Posts: 12617 | Location: Somewhere above Tennessee and below Kentucky  | Registered: 31 July 2016Reply With Quote
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The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.


You're posting fiction and disinformation. Biden sought authority to close the border and more resources for enforcement, and the Republicans shot it down! The mindless lackeys did so at Trump's direction to further his political ambition. They let the failure of perfection be the enemy of the good.

Inflation was caused by Covid and the over-reaction thereto, all of which began under Trump. Once inflation gets going, it's very, very hard to stop because business owners and employees all want to catch up with the inflation of other items. Inflation is now a world wide problem. It's ridiculous to blame Biden.

The current world conflicts have nothing to do with who is president of the United States. Don't be so self-centered. Other world governments don't always act based on US considerations. They have their own interests. Biden has provided a lot of material and logistical support to both Israel and the Ukraine. You cannot claim he's weak, without making me laugh. (But that's okay; a good laugh is usually enjoyable.)

I don't know what you're talking about with capital gains. When did he unilaterally raise them without passage by Congress?


https://www.forbes.com/newslet...446/?sh=6164d2261ff6
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_...olicies/6201520.html

https://www.nilc.org/issues/im...immigration-actions/

I believe the Senate can pass the 44.6 through reconciliation?


From the Forbes link.

"'The source of the 44.6% rate is a footnote from the General Explanations of the Administration’s FY 2025 Revenue Proposals, and it reads in relevant part, “A separate proposal would first raise the top ordinary rate to 39.6 percent.” It later adds, “An additional proposal would increase the net investment income tax rate by 1.2 percentage points above $400,000.” Additionally, “Together, the proposals would increase the top marginal rate on long-term capital gains and qualified dividends to 44.6 percent.”

The main proposal, which lends context to the above-mentioned “separate proposal,” is to raise the long-term capital gains and qualified dividends rates to 37% for taxpayers with taxable income above $1 million.

Taken as a whole, then, the 44.6% rate would only come to fruition under a separate proposal from the Biden administration’s main capital gains rate increase, and only apply to those individuals with taxable income above $1 million and investment income above $400,000. That isn’t quite as cataclysmic a policy shift as referring to a blanket 44.6% long-term capital gains rate would suggest.""


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Bill Barr said it best, it's a binary choice and he's supporting Trump for that reason alone. The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.

It's time to make hard decisions DR. Butler. Ask yourself, who will do the least damage? In my assessment , it's Trump.


Well written, hear, hear!!!!
 
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President Trump’s damage w the Big Lie, and Jan 6 are the great political sins of our or most times.

Not before or since the Civil War have we not had a peaceful transition of power. Makes me very grateful to Al Gore.

I have posted his concession speech before when his election challenge died at the Supreme Court. President Trump could not get his challenges out of District Court.

President Trump permitted and enticed violence to keep power he had no right to keep in defiance of the Constitution.
 
Posts: 12617 | Location: Somewhere above Tennessee and below Kentucky  | Registered: 31 July 2016Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
It doesn’t make me view Trump as less repugnant.

I’m on your side in seeing Biden as repugnant as well.

What does the percentage who think both sides are bad do?

Decide which is “worse”?

Vote third party?

Abstain?


At this point, it is simply math to me. They are both dopes. Problem is, by voting third party OR just not voting risks Biden being re-elected.

Bill Barr said it best, it's a binary choice and he's supporting Trump for that reason alone. The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.

It's time to make hard decisions DR. Butler. Ask yourself, who will do the least damage? In my assessment , it's Trump.

Sitting on your hands may cost you more than you're willing to pay.


And maybe your right! Who knows, I can't predict the future.

But I'm not voting for Trump, no way in hell. I refuse to do something I have to explain as being not really that bad, to justify or make excuses for. It wasn't that long ago we had choices between decent candidates that we could vote for based on policy or even philosophy. Wasn't it nice when we could support a candidate based on their record and history? Dukakis and Carter were decent people. Reagan and Ford were patriotic Americans and upstanding men. My mom was alive and of voting age during Eisenhowers and JFKs terms in office, those were presidents that championed in crisis.

I shouldn't have to justify my vote for president, I should have a good choice, vote my preference and not be ashamed.
I ain't voting for Trump.
 
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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
It doesn’t make me view Trump as less repugnant.

I’m on your side in seeing Biden as repugnant as well.

What does the percentage who think both sides are bad do?

Decide which is “worse”?

Vote third party?

Abstain?


At this point, it is simply math to me. They are both dopes. Problem is, by voting third party OR just not voting risks Biden being re-elected.

Bill Barr said it best, it's a binary choice and he's supporting Trump for that reason alone. The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.

It's time to make hard decisions DR. Butler. Ask yourself, who will do the least damage? In my assessment , it's Trump.

Sitting on your hands may cost you more than you're willing to pay.


And maybe your right! Who knows, I can't predict the future.

But I'm not voting for Trump, no way in hell. I refuse to do something I have to explain as being not really that bad, to justify or make excuses for. It wasn't that long ago we had choices between decent candidates that we could vote for based on policy or even philosophy. Wasn't it nice when we could support a candidate based on their record and history? Dukakis and Carter were decent people. Reagan and Ford were patriotic Americans and upstanding men. My mom was alive and of voting age during Eisenhowers and JFKs terms in office, those were presidents that championed in crisis.

I shouldn't have to justify my vote for president, I should have a good choice, vote my preference and not be ashamed.
I ain't voting for Trump.


Well said! Here, hear!

I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that if I don't vote for Biden, I'll be helping Trump. I hate being in this position.
 
Posts: 7026 | Location: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho, USA | Registered: 08 March 2013Reply With Quote
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The country may not be able to survive another Biden term of open borders, inflation, world conflict,or 44.6% capitol gains. I can handle another term of a bloviating bully like Trump.


You're posting fiction and disinformation. Biden sought authority to close the border and more resources for enforcement, and the Republicans shot it down! The mindless lackeys did so at Trump's direction to further his political ambition. They let the failure of perfection be the enemy of the good.

Inflation was caused by Covid and the over-reaction thereto, all of which began under Trump. Once inflation gets going, it's very, very hard to stop because business owners and employees all want to catch up with the inflation of other items. Inflation is now a world wide problem. It's ridiculous to blame Biden.

The current world conflicts have nothing to do with who is president of the United States. Don't be so self-centered. Other world governments don't always act based on US considerations. They have their own interests. Biden has provided a lot of material and logistical support to both Israel and the Ukraine. You cannot claim he's weak, without making me laugh. (But that's okay; a good laugh is usually enjoyable.)

I don't know what you're talking about with capital gains. When did he unilaterally raise them without passage by Congress?


https://www.forbes.com/newslet...446/?sh=6164d2261ff6
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_...olicies/6201520.html

https://www.nilc.org/issues/im...immigration-actions/

I believe the Senate can pass the 44.6 through reconciliation?


Takes too much time to pick apart news and opinion articles.

I assume that's why you didn't post words of your own: because you don't want to invest the time.

It's a good thing to provide authority for your words, but it's usually best to make a point that relates to the forum discussion. I can do my own internet search.

As for the Senate--it's part of the Congress I mentioned. As I said, the president doesn't have authority to increase taxes. He has proposed tax increases though. Ever hear, "The president proposes, Congress disposes"?

See the Constitution, Art. I, Sec. 7. Revenue bills must originate in the House.
 
Posts: 7026 | Location: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho, USA | Registered: 08 March 2013Reply With Quote
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The whole thing defies belief.

Trump engaged in sedition. Tried to overturn the result of a general election through lies and fraud. That's not disputable. Presided over an assault on the US Capitol. That's not disputable. Says he will pardon the people who were convicted of participating in that assault. That's not disputable. The idea that he should be re-elected is obscene.


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The whole thing defies belief.

Trump engaged in sedition. Tried to overturn the result of a general election through lies and fraud. That's not disputable. Presided over an assault on the US Capitol. That's not disputable. Says he will pardon the people who were convicted of participating in that assault. That's not disputable. The idea that he should be re-elected is obscene.

Most of what you have said is true. That aside it still has a very real possibility of happening.
 
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