Needs some basic instruction. Never point the muzzle of your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot. Second, don't wear a $50,000 Rolex when you point the muzzle of your weapon at the head of the guy next to you.
Actually, it does not look like it's pointed at the officers head at all. Buttstock in to her leg, arm forward, muzzle pointed out. People just like to reinvent what pics show.
Originally posted by theback40: Actually, it does not look like it's pointed at the officers head at all. Buttstock in to her leg, arm forward, muzzle pointed out. People just like to reinvent what pics show.
At very best, that muzzle is two or three inches off the front of his head. Sorry, but this is poor weapon handling.
Mike, grab a rifle and hold that same position, line up your body with a doorway. I just did myself. You would have to have the rifle pulled back against your torso to be 2-3 inches from his head. You got sucked in by what they wanted you to see. I would feel comfortable with someone beside me holding a gun that way. I would not want them to turn to the left, but this was a staged photo. We would be lined up in a formation the same manner for an inspection. It is not what you think you are seeing.
Is it just me, or does Trump purposely appoint hot-looking women to positions of authority? I think Madeleine Albright would somehow not be in the running...
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Originally posted by TomP: Is it just me, or does Trump purposely appoint hot-looking women to positions of authority? I think Madeleine Albright would somehow not be in the running...
The gunhandling doesn’t bug me. I agree with TB40.
What I don’t get is why the cabinet level secretary is spending all her time doing photo ops and running along on missions. She’s supposed to be running the agencies not being a supernumerary unofficial agent.
I could see myself going and shooting and taking some range time for internal morale purposes, but near as I can tell with my 40 year out of date ROTC experience (ie nothing on TB40’s) is that inexperienced and untrained folks increase risk in operations and doing dog and pony shows wastes valuable asset’s time and also takes an executive away from doing what they are there to do… administer.
Yes, meeting the line folks and getting information on what they need is important. Ride alongside are not an efficient way of doing that.
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I can remember standing in formation with rifles at "port arms", much as shown, because we were ordered to stand that way. This criticism is a nothing burger. I don't find the messaging appealing, but neither am I offended by it. Regards, Bill
The BP and ice agents spent 4 years with Mayorkas, not only ignoring them, but accusing them of things they didnt do. There were always top brass we had to know about, but never saw. The ones running our lives. On rare occasions, ( maybe twice I think, in 8 yrs) we saw the base commander. We would stand a little straighter, and his words meant more than any others we heard. Now, I couldnt tell you why it mattered more to us, back then it did. I want her to give those people some respect and consideration, after the last 4 yrs they had. Tom P, you get the " best chuckle of the day" award with your post.
Originally posted by TomP: Is it just me, or does Trump purposely appoint hot-looking women to positions of authority? I think Madeleine Albright would somehow not be in the running...
Probly has the hots for that pair of 45s.
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All three are trying to look as touch as they can.
I believe that anyone gets impressed by this porn movie ad picture, or whatever, has never met tough guys. I mean, not pretend tough. But tough to 12 on the max 10 scale.
I have met a few and... well... friendly folks all of them. Nobody trying to impress with their toughness.
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell: Needs some basic instruction. Never point the muzzle of your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot. Second, don't wear a $50,000 Rolex when you point the muzzle of your weapon at the head of the guy next to you.
Evaluating a 3-dimensional situation in 2-dimensions. You can’t tell where it is pointing.
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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless: I don't know where exactly that rifle is pointed, but it's close enough to be pointing at the guy's head to say no. Too close for safe gun handling.
I would not want to be standing there.
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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell: Needs some basic instruction. Never point the muzzle of your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot. Second, don't wear a $50,000 Rolex when you point the muzzle of your weapon at the head of the guy next to you.
Yes, when doing a 21 gun salute, they go to port arms, and fire from the position. The more some of you try to find something to bitch about, the more stupid you sound. No military or LEO's in the bunch of you for certain.
Originally posted by theback40: Mike, grab a rifle and hold that same position, line up your body with a doorway. I just did myself. You would have to have the rifle pulled back against your torso to be 2-3 inches from his head. You got sucked in by what they wanted you to see. I would feel comfortable with someone beside me holding a gun that way. I would not want them to turn to the left, but this was a staged photo. We would be lined up in a formation the same manner for an inspection. It is not what you think you are seeing.
I might be comfortable with you standing next to me holding a weapon that way but not some stage-dressed Barbie there for a photo op.
There is no finger near the trigger guard, the safety appears engaged, and unless that magazine is really odd, it doesn’t look like it’s seated fully.
It’s a photo op and the rifle isn’t pointed at the guy. I really doubt it’s even loaded… although yes you assume it is.
That this is what you can find to complain about Noem about shows a visceral hatred, not a reasoned disagreement with her politics.
Yes, her writing about shooting an underperforming dog shows some lack of character and more so, lack of judgement.
I am unimpressed with her consistently doing field photo op raids.
I do like that she’s telling her agents she supports them and is trying to have their backs, but again her way of doing it seems tone deaf to me. Lack of judgement, not that she is dumb and pointing guns at her staff.
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There is no finger near the trigger guard, the safety appears engaged, and unless that magazine is really odd, it doesn’t look like it’s seated fully.
It’s a photo op and the rifle isn’t pointed at the guy. I really doubt it’s even loaded… although yes you assume it is.
That this is what you can find to complain about Noem about shows a visceral hatred, not a reasoned disagreement with her politics.
Yes, her writing about shooting an underperforming dog shows some lack of character and more so, lack of judgement.
I am unimpressed with her consistently doing field photo op raids.
I do like that she’s telling her agents she supports them and is trying to have their backs, but again her way of doing it seems tone deaf to me. Lack of judgement, not that she is dumb and pointing guns at her staff.
Oh, save the psychoanalysis for somebody that gives a shit. I could care less about Kristi Noem other than she is utterly unqualified for her position and is clearly a grandstanding poseur per the photo. Regarding the rest of your post, as I have noted, she appears to have the weapon's muzzle pointed dangerously close to the guy's head that is next to her. And, I agree: her grip is goofy...and her mag isn't seated.....do you think these things work in your favor if you're claiming she's safe to be around while she handles firearms? As for your assertion that the weapon probably isn't loaded...well, you've already pointed out how silly that is...because we all know that all weapons are always loaded.
She is a girlish bureaucrat. Washington is full of them. At least the Border Patrol knows she is there and has already spent more time on the US-Mexico border, she has their 6.
So she can't point her pistol right? I can unhook bras with one hand, so?
If you are looking for a freak show: Bernie Sanders and AOC were on FOX this AM- I truly hope they are the Socialist Dem running mates in 2028.
OOPS-how about AOC and Stacy Abrams on a ticket? Or Michele and Hilary Clinton....Abrams has her own campaign reparations now with her mansion.
HRC could lose another US Ambassador, like Benghazi-when both the Army SF units and USAF jets were told to stand down. You can't make this deplorable garbage up.......Remember Benghazi!!!
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Her weapon handling is as good as those I was around in 1st year. That was done with unloaded M16’s…
Honestly, I think she has actually fired AR type rifles in the past.
You are the one making the fuss about someone holding a rifle at port arms being unsafe.
I agree with you that she doesn’t have LE experience except as titular head of a state as governor.
It seems that the BP/ICE guys find her a much better boss than the previous iteration. What does that say about the previous guy if she’s as inept as you say?
Yes, she probably got her position by bringing loyal to Trump.
I’m sure there are lots of folks who could do a better job… but conversely there are many who would do worse.
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I was never in the military or law enforcement, but I've had the rules of gun safety drilled into me from the time I was twelve, and I've taught them to my son and other young people.
The muzzle of her rifle is pointed unacceptably close to that officer's head. Photos I've seen of officers carrying rifles this way show the barrels aimed well above the head of the guy next to them.
Part of the problem is she's much shorter than the male officer, which lowers the muzzle to be in line, or closely in line with his head. And that's a short-barreled AR.
Dr. Butler, you surprise me. It doesn't matter that the gun is unloaded, that the safety is engaged, or that her finger isn't in the trigger guard. All of that is irrelevant, no defense to an accident.
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As I said before, take a rifle/shotgun, stand in a doorway lined up in the middle. Hold the gun in the same position she is, buttstock against her thigh, elbow bent to her side. That barrel will be a foot or better in front of the agent beside her. It's SOP for formation. You dont like it, fine, but your full of shit to say it's in line with his head. Stick to writing fiction.
