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Originally posted by ledvm:
A summary of the horse health events today at Churchill Downs to assist with any local media requests or questions you may receive from your clients. The following information has been reported in the media and is primarily intended to provide a convenient reference for you:

Derby favorite Forte was diagnosed with a right front foot bruise and was scratched from the race by Kentucky Horse Racing Commission veterinarians.

In the second race, Chloe's Dream sustained a severe injury to the right carpus and was euthanized following evaluation at the Churchill Downs Equine Medical Center.

Freezing Point fractured both sesamoids of the left front fetlock while competing in the 8th race. Following evaluation at the Churchill Downs Equine Medical Center, Freezing Point was euthanized.

Here Mi Song appeared lame in the left front while jogging back following the 9th race and was transported by equine ambulance to the Churchill Downs Equine Medical Center for evaluation. Radiographs were negative; the horse cooled out and walked back to the barn.

With seven total equine fatalities related to training or racing at Churchill Downs since April 27, this is truly a challenging series of events for horse racing.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I know they have changed the dirt surface.

A dirty piece of business on horse racing is horses are drugged to run through pain which results in severe injury that requires euthanasia. That has happened in the past. It is suspected what happened to the KY Derby winner that had to be put down a few years ago. That Trainer is the winningest trainer in Derby History. That trainer’s ban is only 2 years long and expires this year.

That trainer actually had a horse in this Derby he was banned from. He trained a horse, and transferred it to another trainer to enter the horse.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And like getting rid of horse abattoirs, getting rid of horse racing is likely to cause a significant increase in the problems for horses.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And like getting rid of horse abattoirs, getting rid of horse racing is likely to cause a significant increase in the problems for horses.

Leave it to Dr. Butler to almost always come to the correct conclusion. He is 100% spot on correct here.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
And like getting rid of horse abattoirs, getting rid of horse racing is likely to cause a significant increase in the problems for horses.

Leave it to Dr. Butler to almost always come to the correct conclusion. He is 100% spot on correct here.

So, a significant number of horses have to die while racing or getting ready to race for our pleasure in order to save the rest of the horses?

What the fuck?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I know they have changed the dirt surface.

A dirty piece of business on horse racing is horses are drugged to run through pain which results in severe injury that requires euthanasia. That has happened in the past. It is suspected what happened to the KY Derby winner that had to be put down a few years ago. That Trainer is the winningest trainer in Derby History. That trainer’s ban is only 2 years long and expires this year.

That trainer actually had a horse in this Derby he was banned from. He trained a horse, and transferred it to another trainer to enter the horse.

The above is a significant misstatement in today’s racing industry. There are strict medication governance rules in place today and security and testing are very rigid and very difficult to get around. If you medicate…you will get caught. In Baffert’s case Medina’s Spirit had a trace of betamethasone (synthetic cortisone) on race day. Not enough to mask pain to any degree. It is a commonly used medication and every once in a while horses will hang on to non-therapeutic traces well past recommended withdrawal periods.

You would find many many human professional athletes getting injected with it (a recognized joint therapy) routinely around competitions.

The 2 cases of the sudden deaths after races will be thoroughly investigated and cause attributed. If it was nefarious…that will come out and discipline will be handed out.

The 2 breakdown injuries that occurred can be influenced by the surface. Extensive research has gone into finding the safest surface.

But 2 in a week period of racing, while sad…is not out of the norm.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I know they have changed the dirt surface.

A dirty piece of business on horse racing is horses are drugged to run through pain which results in severe injury that requires euthanasia. That has happened in the past. It is suspected what happened to the KY Derby winner that had to be put down a few years ago. That Trainer is the winningest trainer in Derby History. That trainer’s ban is only 2 years long and expires this year.

That trainer actually had a horse in this Derby he was banned from. He trained a horse, and transferred it to another trainer to enter the horse.

The above is a significant misstatement in today’s racing industry. There are strict medication governance rules in place today and security and testing are very rigid and very difficult to get around. If you medicate…you will get caught. In Baffert’s case Medina’s Spirit had a trace of betamethasone (synthetic cortisone) on race day. Not enough to mask pain to any degree. It is a commonly used medication and every once in a while horses will hang on to non-therapeutic traces well past recommended withdrawal periods.

You would find many many human professional athletes getting injected with it (a recognized joint therapy) routinely around competitions.

The 2 cases of the sudden deaths after races will be thoroughly investigated and cause attributed. If it was nefarious…that will come out and discipline will be handed out.

The 2 breakdown injuries that occurred can be influenced by the surface. Extensive research has gone into finding the safest surface.

But 2 in a week period of racing, while sad…is not out of the norm.

It is not a mistake r when the KY Derby winner is euthanized because his trainer, the most successful Derby Trainer, dopes him.

I have no idea what you are referring to here. If you are speaking about Medina Spirit…this horse died months after the Derby of natural causes — heart failure. Further, betamethasone is a commonly used anti-inflammatory medication in humans and horses and has no direct effects on the heart.

Bob Baffert should be permanently banned from all tracks, and no horse associated with him allowed to be entered.

Wow! No one is perfect and Bob Baffert has done NOTHING horribly wrong.

Horse racing is an expensive game for owners. Thoroughbred race horses who compete at the highest levels are finely tuned machines. They like human athletes require cutting edge healthcare. Veterinarians and trainer walk a thin line daily ensuring the health of the horse but also making deadlines for competitions. Huge amount of money is expended and at stake. Medications like betamethasone are normal medications. Trainer HAVE to push the envelope to get those horses back based on known general withdrawals. Sometimes individuals hang on to traces. Nothing more than this occurred with Medina Spirit.


I like horse racing, but it has been and continues to dirty business practices dirty at the highest levels.

That^^^is such an over the top statement.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
It is undisputed that horse tan tge KY Derby doped.

You know what I am talking about. You just do not want to put your toes to the line.

Bob Baffert is the most successful Trainer in Derby history. He won Seven Derbies. He was doping horses.

Like baseball, he is not the only one. He is just one of the few who got caught.

The violations Baffert has had have all been from small residues of legitimate therapeutics. No illicit drugs are on his violation list. It is hard to keep horses healthy and also meet deadlines. And there are no hard and fast guidelines that hold true for ALL individuals. Baffert trains 100’s of horses.

I really do not know what your angle is, but when you refuse to admit horse racing has a drug problem, a trainer problem; you loose credibility.

You have lost total credibility as you keep stating untruths or partial truths.

Again, when the most successful horse trainer is caught doping the KY Derby winner,

The horse had a very small residue of an anti-inflammatory in his system at the time he raced. The amount precludes athletic enhancement. It is a drug that probably 100% of athletic horses receive and some point and has legitimate therapeutic use. In fact it is a main stay drug to keep joints healthy in athletes who constantly sustain trauma from the nature of sports.

that horse dies under his care (drugs were an issue), and that trainer is banned, hordes racing still has a problem.

The horse did die months later — a fact. (The horse died from heart failure.) But the rest of your statement is TOTALLY unsubstantiated. Quit lying about Baffert and I will stop refuting.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Those drugs do not affect heart?

You know they do.

The horse was doped by the most successful trainer. You cannot get around that.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
We do not know what all this horse was on do we.

It had a necropsy and toxicology study? What more could you ask?

Yes, I am speculating.

I am fine a that seeing the trainer was banned.

I am not. He was among the better practice group of trainers. And, I don't believe he has a lifetime ban...just a suspension period. Which I agree is appropriate. I welcome him back. He advanced life quality for race horses as a whole from learning from science.

I will go ahead and state my Angle;

Feds should pass a law allowing the Department of Ag to regulate the industry including creating a schedule of banned drugs, testing policies prior to running races, Already being done. and one strike lifetime bans with total removal from the industry. This is why you should be in charge of NOTHING. It is obvious from this thread that you have little understanding of the topic. It is difficult for trainers/veterinarians to keep these horses healthy and meet their needed goals. Minor mistakes happen and YES...a betamethasone overage is a MINOR mistake.

Oh look, race horses given anti bleeding meds to run on.

Is it not a veterinarian's charge to help horses with medical conditions? Furosemide is a fairly benign drug in horses. It is recognized efficacious medication for exercise-induced pulmonary hemorrhage. Horses will suffer/die without it. The vast majority of experts don't believe it has athletic enhancing properties. Horses that have the condition (a significant percentage) will get euthanized because they have no value -- fact.

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This is why you should be in charge of NOTHING. It is obvious from this thread that you have little understanding of the topic.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Those feud are being given as performance enhancers to the determent of the horse.

You know it.
Churchill Downs knows it.
We all know it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9673965/


Despite your position horse racing does not have a problem. You cannot get around the fact the trainer, who is most successful, got busted doping.

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I don’t think Lane went into veterinary medicine just to enable someone to make money off horses. Most vets actually care about animals and treating them right.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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This is why you should be in charge of NOTHING. It is obvious from this thread that you have little understanding of the topic.

Well said Doc!

He will make a great politician one day ( we know that's where he's headed ) he can pontificate extremely about things he has zero knowledge of..... He'll make a great democrat!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Those feud are being given as performance enhancers to the determent of the horse.

You know it.

As I told Steve…quit saying this. It is a lie on your part. Quit lying! If I knew it I would say. I don’t know or believe that to be true.

Churchill Downs knows it.

We all know it. If you think you know that…it just reveals you are a blithering idiot. Because it is simply not completely understood by anyone and the drug is efficacious.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9673965/


Despite your position horse racing does not have a problem. You cannot get around the fact the trainer, who is most successful, got busted doping.

He got in trouble by pushing the limit on withdrawal time on a good medication used for a legit medical issue and that is it. It was not intentional and at the concentration in the horse had zero effects on performance.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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This is why you should be in charge of NOTHING. It is obvious from this thread that you have little understanding of the topic.

Well said Doc!

He will make a great politician one day ( we know that's where he's headed ) he can pontificate extremely about things he has zero knowledge of..... He'll make a great democrat!

Just an easy and recent example of his youthful ignorance I was thinking.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Funny that you claim doping is not a problem when Baffert got busted for doping.

Too bad he is getting by the current rules, and will be back next year.

As you say funny we have had 7 deaths at Churchill after asserting “ only” four.

The sport is not clean.

The fact you will not admit it is not clean is evidence enough of who you are.

Go vote for another insurrectionist.

Tell me again, how is the sport clean when the most successful trainer is setting under a ban because he drugged a horse to the Derby? A horse who died under his care.

It is not a lie. The only lier between you and me is you.


Your self declared greatest president proves that.

You know and Churchill knows these drugs need to be banned. That is why Churchill agrees.

I have lost all respect for you. He drugged the horse. Every major track and state commission has said so.

He should be banned for life.

Anything that does not conform to your preconceived agenda you call out of context and half truths.

The truth is you are an ideological hack.

As I said long ago. You are not welcome to drink w me or my table.