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The Undisputed, Unified World Heavyweight Championship. Usky drops Fury hard in the 9th round. Fury never mounted any offense thereafter. Early it looked like Fury’s size and power was breaking Usky. This is the first Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion since Lennox Lewis 25 years ago. The IBF announced that Usky will be stripped of their title next week for failing to fight their mandatory challenger. Fury has a unilateral rematch clause he says he will invoke. Great bout. The whole card was great. Usky had formerly unified the Cruiserweight belts. He is also an Olympic Gold Medalist. | ||
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Somehow I think this was a political decision. I see it in many sports! By the way, how is it going on the battle field? Is the West's criminal war puppet achieving anything?  | |||
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You obviously did not watch the bout. Usky all bit knock out Fury in the 9th. Any other fight would have been stopped. Fury never mounted any offense thereon. Usky won the fight. Usky made an amazing adjustment moving laterally instead of coming straight in. That lateral movement allowed him to hit Fury solid w both hands in between Usky hands. How Usky stood up to the 5-7 of uppercuts and body hooks by a 262 pound Fury, I will never know. Great fight that was worthy to name an Undisputed Champion. | |||
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I don’t watch stupid so called sports. Real boxing died with Mohamed Ali! News is out that they are preparing a re-match! What a joke!  | |||
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You are very vocal about the Palestinians having their own homeland yet you seem to think Ukraine has no right to fight someone trying to take theirs away ...  | |||
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He conveniently forgets that RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE, not the other way around. Sounds like a case of having a double standard. And he conveniently forgets that Zelenskyy was elected with a huge majority when the people tossed the previous Moscow puppet.  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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You conveniently turn a blind eye to the West's Puppet not fulfilling his promise tp Russia! An invented senseless war to fill the coffers of the arms manufacturers! | |||
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Saeed, you need to go back to history class. Look up the Budapest Memorandum. This was an agreement signed by Russia to respect the independence and sovereignty of Ukraine When did Russia invade and annex Crimea? I'll help you, it was 2014. So who is breaking promises here? When as Zelensky elected (by a huge majority)? I'll help you again, it was 2019. Can you not see cause / effect? Russia takes part of Ukraine then Ukraine elects Zelenski. It wasn't the other way around as your skewed view of history would suggest. Edited to add, Zelenski was elected with 73% of the electorate voting for him. His approval rating went up to 90% after Russias invasion. Two and a bit years later it’s still circa 65% and Russia still only controls around 20% of the country. How long they can keep fending Russia off I don’t know, but they have every right to defend their country rather than just roll out a red carpet for Putin as you seem to want. I have no doubt that should Putin achieve control over Ukraine, anyone not bowing down to kiss his feet would accidentally fall out of a 6th floor window within a couple of weeks. | |||
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Back to the fight: Usyk won because Fury is simply not that good. He doesn't throw punches well, doesn't defend well and is often out of position. Usyk does these things well and should have won by KO. Usyk being able to take Fury's punches is no surprise because fury doesn't punch that hard for a man his size. Do you think Usyk would have been able to deal with those punches if George Foreman had been throwing them? Fury's jab was largely nullified by Usyk's southpaw stance, while Fury's hook was in effective because he doesn't throw it well. Usyk was right there for a straight right hand. This is another punch that Fury has never learned to throw well. Usyk one of the best ever? He won a split decision over an unept fighter. Bill. | |||
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Fury has knocked out a lot bigger dudes than Usky. He flips his jab and is wide, but I think there is a method to that. Fury had beaten every HW Title holder he had fought to date. He is also deceptively hard to hit. Now, for his size he may not hit that hard, but that is still confounded hard. Any other fight would have been stopped in the 9th. Usky looked a lot better than his last fight. A fight he lost in a body shot that was incorrectly ruled a low blow. A fight he did get up and win. Usky was and is just a machine. His professionalism in his training is always top tier. Usky has unified 2 divisions. He is a gold medalist. We cannot ignore everyone we think is better than Fury to this point lost to Fury. Usky may not be one of the best ever. He is one of the best curiserweights. He is the best HW we have seen in the last 10-15 years. | |||
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I don’t know that Usky is the best heavyweight in the last 10-15 years. A younger Fury might well have bested him decisively. He’s certainly the best now. Fury has not been maintaining well. He looks progressively more out of shape as time goes on. That being said, I don’t think Usky would have had a chance against either of the Klistshko brothers in their prime (bot also Ukrainian). I’m also not sure how this is “Ukraine wins”… A healthy young man is out professionally boxing during an existential war for his nation. Admittedly I did not watch the fight live. I did watch it on the computer later… I don’t know that it was a dominant win. The scores were close and it was a split decision. Sure the 9th was a 10-8 round, but I thought Fury was doing more damage consistently to that point, and he did survive the round (which is a bigger man’s big advantage). It wasn’t a one sided butt kicking. | |||
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I agree w that, but it has been 2015 since Wladimir Klitschko lost to Fury. That is the better part of 10 years. You can only beat who you have. Usky won, and won decisively. Yes, Wladimir Kilitschko circa 2010 probably carves him him. We are long past those days. 24 years to be exact. From the 9 on it was very dominant. Ukraine does not have a problem w Usky. Why should I that he is fighting. Joe Louis was a traveling moral show in the Arjt. He did not fight, and was not put in a position to be in conflict. Yeap, bf the 9th it was Fury’s fight. In the 9th, Usky did not just knock him down. Usky put him down. Fury never mounted any offense again. Usky bled Fury literally and figuratively. The fight was very good. The whole card was, for lack of a better word, entertaining. Before the 9th, I had it 7 rounds Fury w 10 points per round. Usky winning one round and losing the other rounds 9 points each. Funny, the Brits, this card was contested under the BBBC(British Boxing Board of Control), are save by the bell rules. The “ Unified Rules” in the U.S. does not permit a contestant to be saved by the bell. Any other fight, would have been stopped in the 9th. Fury was not defending himself, and could not walk. The Kilitschkos when they first came to the Inter States were in Some part of the Ukraine military. I remember them wearing their uniforms. Fury has a unilateral rematch clause. I say unilateral bc only he can invoke it. I assume he will. The rematch can happen as early as October. I expect Fury would actually use his size in that fight. | |||
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Fury is 35 years old. Usyk is 37 years old. "Early in the morning, at break of day, in all the freshness and dawn of one's strength, to read a book - I call that vicious!"- Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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Umm, by the rules you just said you had it a tie. 7 for Fury 1 1 knockdown (10-8 round) 3 for Usky. In my mind, it was close because of the rules. Fury would have been KO’d in the 9th here, but he probably wouldn’t agree to the non-British rules. He was champ, he gets the lions share of the concessions. I’m not sure how you consider it so dominant? A KO that wasn’t a KO by the rules the fight was fought under? I don’t have an issue with the decision, but it was a closer fight than you seem to be saying. | |||
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Except since winning the belt, Fury has been sliding… he looks like not the dominant man he was. No doubt about it that Usyk was in better shape, and was boxing much better. Even so, that much size counts a lot. | |||
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Fury looked just plain fat and out of shape. The way his belly fat rolls showed above his “padded “ belt was blatantly obvious. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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For Fury, he came in light at 262. Just in the eye test, he looked about what he looked when he beat Wilder and dropped Anthony Joshua. In honesty, Fury was leaner when he bested Joshua. That is just how Fury is put together. It is a boxing bout not Mr. Universe. Fury has an 85 inch reach. That was 10 inches of reach over Usky. Fury could have done a lot to take Usky out of the fight just by putting his weight on Usky. It is indescribably exhausting having the other guy put his weight on you no less 262 pounds. Fury’s legs were much smaller than Usky’s legs. | |||
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That is my card. It was a close fight until Usky put him down. Actually, my score is Fury won. 113 Usky to Fury 114 Usk: Round 1-10; Rounds 2-8-9 each for 63 points; Round 9-10 points that brings the score to 73; Round 10-12-10 points each for 113 Fury: Round 1-9 points, Rounds 2-8-10 each for a score of 70; Round 9-8 for a score of 87 points Round 10-12 9 points each for 27 points for a total 114 points. Fury did not do much in rounds 2-4. He surrender the ring, and gave the impression Usky was controlling the fight being more aggressive. It is not hard to see Usky winning another round. That is the scorecard. The point is from Round 9-12, the fight was not close. | |||
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Usky becomes 1 of 3 mean to win major world titles at Curiserweight and Heavyweight. The other is Evander Holyfield and David Haye. No matter how you slice it Usky accomplishments in boxing are matched only by the best. Olympic Gold Middle Unified and Undisputed the Curiserweight Division (undefeated) Unified the Heavyweight Division (Undefeated). First Undisputed Heavyweight Champion since Lennox Lewis 25 years ago. That was a 3 belt accomplishment. No one can call Anthony Joshua out of shape. An unified champion holds 2 of the 4 major sanctioning body’s belts. An Undisputed champion holds all 4 major sanctioning body’s belts. Unified and Undisputed are not the same. I do not think Holyfield was Undisputed. He was considered lineal champion. | |||
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When the only disputing is by some self-proclaimed sanctioning body, the term "undisputed" becomes pretty meaningless. Now, Mike Tyson became the real heavyweight champion, when he beat Micheal Spinks. This because Spinks was the man who won the title in the ring. Tyson lost to Douglas, Douglas lost to Holyfield. There was no disputing that, but one or the other of the alphabet guys might have disputed it. Meaningless. Holyfield lost the title to Micheal Moorer who was knocked out by George Foreman. This is how the title is passed from man to man. The cruiserweight division, like most of the split-weight divisions, doesn't mean a hell of a lot either. Usyk is, at least, a skilled boxer, but he is a long way from being in the running as one of the greats. Bill | |||
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What you described is the “lineal champion.” Fury is the guy since 2015 that beat the man and beat everyone in his path. Then he ran into Usky, who beat the Man last weekend. Fury had beat every title holder he fought until he found Usky in the 9th round. When you beat all the guys who held all the belts, there is no one left. Except, we can book the rematches. Fury was the lineal champion. Usky held the most belts. Now, Usky obtained all the belts and has beaten the lineal champion in Fury. Anthony Joshua awaits the winner of the rematch. Joshua has done lost to Fury and lost to Usky. Wilder is fighting that big Chinese dude June 1. Wilde has done lost to Fury. The division that started Holyfield means something when only 3 men have made the jump. An Olympic Gold Medal means something. Being the first man since Lewis (who did it beating Holyfield) to unify every major belt means something. You know who was criticized for throwing sloppy punches. That was Rocky Marciano. One look at the still of Wilcox face and his surrender in the rematch showed Marciano’s power. Funny enough, Marciano was losing that Wilcott fight until the 13 round. We can debate the quality of modern heavyweights. It cannot be disputed that since 2014 with the dethroning of Fury. The man who had best the man and everyone else. Usky has made himself the best heavyweight since 2015 to the present. Why? All the facts, not opinion, stated above. | |||
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"Just in the eye test, he looked about what he looked when he beat Wilder and dropped Anthony Joshua. In honesty, Fury was leaner when he bested Joshua." When did Fury fight Joshua? | |||
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You are correct. It was the charitable flabby Andy Ruiz Jr. who TKO Joshua in the 7th taking WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight titles. I got my “flaby” heavyweights mixed up. Now, Joshua won the rematch with Ruiz. Joshua would lose to Usky. Thank you. Fury beat Wladimir Klitschko on Nov 28, 2015. Klitschko was the lineal champ from Lewis (Vitali fought Lewis. Lewis won that fight in the 6th with a TKO stoppage and retired) Vitali never fought his brother. Wladimir Klitschko would be the last standing holding the unified WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO, and Ring Magazine belts. The only belt missing was the WBC belt. Fury then went away for a while. The belts were split up. Wilder claimed the WBC. Fury took the WBC from Wilder. Joshua goes on his campaign unifying the WBA, IBF, WBO, and IBO. Ruiz had his day of glory. Joshua reclaims the belts from Ruiz. Usky comes up to Heavyweight and beats Joshua on September 25, 2021. That is how we got to Fury v Usky for the Undisputed World Heavyweight Championship after Kenox did it 25 years ago. Fury was the lineal champion having beaten the man, Klitschko in 2015. Klitschko having ascended from Lewis. There is no slicing it that since 2015 to the present of the the 4 Fury, Joshua, Wilde, and Usky, Usky has accomplished more. Usky with this win becomes the lineal champion, was already a unified champion, and now the Undisputed Champion. Fury, Joshua, and Wilder cannot make that claim. Usky is also an Olympic Gold Medalists, Undisputed Curiserweight, and did what only 2 other Curiserweights were ever able to do bring win a major Heavyweight Championship. One of those men being Holyfield. All the above is rare air. Oh, and Douglas did not beat the count against a poorly trained Tyson. The ref let Douglas off the hook. Douglas made it pay. That is the sport. You can only fight who is in the division in your era. A count or a round changes the history. It is impossible to compare eras. Rahman beat Lewis. Would Usky beat Lewis or either Klitschko, I say probably not. However, Fury got his Klitschko, the lineal championship, and most of the belts. I do not compare boxers out of era. Maybe, Usky could get a Lewis. We cannot know. The sport is filled with when you fight someone. In this ten year time period being 2015-to the present Usky is the most dominant of the major, long reigning title holders. That is his place. Joshua has a chance to go over if he can get the rematch win w Usky and a win over Fury. Lewis was the best in that tenish period following Holyfield. From 2006-2015 the Klitschkos were king. We can go back like this pre Holyfield. When we look at it, the Heavyweight Division has been very healthy the last 10 years with Fury, Joshua, Wilder, and Usky. Ali stayed so long. He eclipsed Frazier, Foreman, Norton, to Spinx. It is not until Holmes that Ali is surpassed in the moment (not over all legacy). Holmes gives way to Tyson who gives way to Holyfield. There are dozens of great fights that are the wire running to those fence post. All I am saying, for his time 2015-present, Usky with this win has become this decade’s fence post. In addition, he took that away from Fury w that amazing, put you down knock down, in the 9th. Fury was not able to combat Usky after that. That win kept Fury from being the fence post. | |||
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Meanwhile, on the battle front, they are being handed their arse back! The increase in military spending in the West is all the military industry wants! Endless wars. | |||
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Maybe the Ukrainians should just roll over and let Russia take their country. You're hard to figure out sometimes; the causes you take up don't have merit. | |||
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I don't pay much attention to boxing anymore, not since my best friend, a former pro boxer, developed Parkinson's disease. Like Ali. Kind of turned me off to the sport. | |||
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I have always heard, 2nd and 3rd hand, they Ali suffered a partially detached brain stem. I cannot gave anything but respect for position. I cannot help it, I love it. I am willing to be told I should not. Ali’s corner man always said Ali after the “exhibition” that turned into a shoot with Anoki developed bills clots and could not touch his finger to his nose. Holyfield’s speech has deteriorated. | |||
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Don’t compare past boxers like Ali to the stupid idiots knocking each other over today! | |||
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I saw a video last night of some woman leading Larry Holmes around like he was a small child. It's a tough way to make a living. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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The only reason guys like Ali (also a gold medalist) didn't win the cruiserweight title was because it didn't exist. It was another of the made-up split divisions which served as a repository for Light heavies too lazy to make weight and heavies who hadn't reached full growth yet. It's kind of like Tommy Hearns as a five time champion. When he'd lose one, he'd find another one he'd have a shot at. He was welterweight champion, period. There are few boxers who make it through life without some cognitive impairment. Some that have are a little surprising. Archie Moore, Carmen Basilio, Henry Cooper. George Chuvalo! His technique often seemed to be to break the opponent's hands with his face. George Foreman seems OK. He took quite a bit of punishment in the second career. I can't help but compare fighters from different eras. I've been watching boxing since 1955. When other kids were reading comics, I was reading Ring and Boxing illustrated. When I was hitting the bags, I was a white Ray Robinson (only in my mind though. I was never more than a talented but largely untested amateur). I believe the very best of heavyweight boxing was seen during the era of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, and Norton. Ali, in the first part of his career, was probably well above the rest. Even so, he would have had trouble with Frazier at any time. He had lost confidence, especially after his loss to Frazier, and he never completely got it back. Now, back to politics, I guess. There are no champions there! Regards, Bill. | |||
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Tommy Hearns was a badass. Round 1 from the Hagler fight....one of the greatest rounds in boxing history. Literally trying to kill each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL2a2-8OHdg -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Tommy Hearns was a badass. Unfortunately, he was not a good tactician. So it was that he got knocked out by Iran Barkley. Tommy landed a vicious left hook to the body. This had the effect of nrealy dropping Barkley and did cause him to drop his hands so that he was wide open for Hearns' best punch, a straight right hand. Hearns never threw it. Instead, enamored with the effect of that hook, he threw another, and another, and another. I was waiting for the right hand but, when it came, it was Barkley who threw it, and Hearns was out. I believe this fight was for one of the alphabet titles. Hagler was the real middleweight champion. In the end, Hearns was a good middleweight but never champion. Of course, the ABC's made up the junior middleweight class just for those welterweights who struggled to make weight but couldn't quite make the grade as middleweights. Imagine the talent and strength of a guy like Henry Armstrong. He held titles in featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight, simultaneously, and against real competition. Different times, different circumstances, different men. Bill. | |||
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Hearns certainly was. His Jab and how he through it were special. Hearns turned his lead foot in shifting weight to throw his jab for power. | |||
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Now, I see we have a "bridgerweight" class. This class will give heavyweights another chance to be an undisputed, multi-weight, super duper, champion. Wow. Bill. | |||
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Lewis lost twice, avenged both. | |||
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