Lots of noise today

13 June 2025, 01:43

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
That Israel is about to hit Iran.

Like it or not we are on the verge of a world war. Because if that happens, The US will not sit on the sidelines.

Sure seems that way. This has been a long time coming.

Nothing scares me more than a full Nuclear capable Iran, blustering and sword rattling.

Perhaps Israel can eliminate the threat and Iran won't retaliate in the USA. I'm hoping there are no dirty bombs hidden somewhere in the US.

13 June 2025, 01:53

Steve Ahrenberg

And a reminder...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50a2wAGVBM

13 June 2025, 02:08

medved

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
That Israel is about to hit Iran.

Like it or not we are on the verge of a world war. Because if that happens, The US will not sit on the sidelines.

Sure seems that way. This has been a long time coming.

Nothing scares me more than a full Nuclear capable Iran, blustering and sword rattling.

Perhaps Israel can eliminate the threat and Iran won't retaliate in the USA. I'm hoping there are no dirty bombs hidden somewhere in the US.

using israel for doing your dirty job ... steve you know better ...

13 June 2025, 02:16

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
That Israel is about to hit Iran.

Like it or not we are on the verge of a world war. Because if that happens, The US will not sit on the sidelines.

Sure seems that way. This has been a long time coming.

Nothing scares me more than a full Nuclear capable Iran, blustering and sword rattling.

Perhaps Israel can eliminate the threat and Iran won't retaliate in the USA. I'm hoping there are no dirty bombs hidden somewhere in the US.

using israel for doing your dirty job ... steve you know better ...

Pot, meet kettle. NATO 1.37%.

https://www.heritage.org/defen...o-has-canada-problem

13 June 2025, 02:38

medved

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
That Israel is about to hit Iran.

Like it or not we are on the verge of a world war. Because if that happens, The US will not sit on the sidelines.

Sure seems that way. This has been a long time coming.

Nothing scares me more than a full Nuclear capable Iran, blustering and sword rattling.

Perhaps Israel can eliminate the threat and Iran won't retaliate in the USA. I'm hoping there are no dirty bombs hidden somewhere in the US.

using israel for doing your dirty job ... steve you know better ...

Pot, meet kettle. NATO 1.37%.

https://www.heritage.org/defen...o-has-canada-problem

oh yes we have problem for sure but in the mean time we are not making the laughters all over the world ... but steve deflecting your own issues will not save the situation.

new testament matthew 7:3-5

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but udo not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

we can all agree Steve that is exactly what it s about but as a follower of the cult of the supreme leader you do not see it yet ...

13 June 2025, 03:06

shankspony

Dont go quoting the bible. Its religion that's created this situation.

13 June 2025, 03:38

jeffeosso

i don't care what your invisible friend said in your rule book

13 June 2025, 05:40

MFH

Looks like it just started.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-857575

13 June 2025, 05:50

shankspony

Wishing everyone with family and friends in the ME the best. I truely hope this docent get as bad as it potentially could.

13 June 2025, 06:02

Aspen Hill Adventures

Just heard that nuclear sites in Iran are being bombed by Israel.

13 June 2025, 06:22

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Wishing everyone with family and friends in the ME the best. I truely hope this docent get as bad as it potentially could.

Are the Royalty headed to London yet????

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13 June 2025, 10:00

shankspony

Iranian Military chiefs and nuclear scientists are gone.
To be fair, it's what I would do too. But having family who have spent time In Iran, and come back saying they were amazed at the hospitality and friendliness of the population, I really wish the best for the nations people, who were very quick to express their dislike of their own regime.

13 June 2025, 10:20

Saeed

With the Wests adventurism, every country should have a nuclear deterrents.

13 June 2025, 11:54

shankspony

quote:
Houman David Hemmati, MD, PhD
@houmanhemmati
·
5h
I fled Iran as a child, carrying in my heart the memories of women beaten in the streets for daring to wear makeup, of girls whose only crime was letting a strand of hair escape their scarves, and of neighbors dragged off to prison for refusing to bend to the regime’s cruelty. Tonight, as I watched the news of Israeli strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites, I felt a surge of hope: not for the destruction itself, but for the first glimmer of freedom for the people trapped under a government that gouges out women’s eyes for their clothes and tortures dissidents for daring to think differently. This regime has forced every schoolchild to chant “Death to America,” has backed the October 7 terror on Israel, has sent suicide drones against our troops at sea, and has spent decades sharpening its tools of oppression.

I do not celebrate the loss of life, but I rejoice that these subterranean breeding grounds of tyranny—those uranium enrichment halls and shadowy military bases—have been struck. For too long, the world stood by as the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps brutalized minorities, silenced journalists, and exported terror. Tonight’s operation is more than a military maneuver; it is a message that no regime which tortures its own citizens and plots mass murder abroad can be allowed to finish the path to a weapon of genocide.

To the brave Iranian people, I pray you find strength in this moment. May you rise up from the ashes of fear and reclaim the stolen streets and schools of your homeland. My heart is with you as you whisper prayers of liberation—may your courage ignite a revolution of compassion, equality, and secular rule, banishing the mullahs’ darkness once and for all.

And let the world hear this clearly: Iran must never, under any circumstance, be allowed to hold a nuclear arsenal. A regime that flogs teenage girls for posting a dance video would not hesitate to unleash devastation on its neighbors. Stand with Israel tonight, stand with the oppressed in Iran.

13 June 2025, 12:32

shankspony

She makes a good point.
https://x.com/gghamari/status/1933311233194598451

quote:
How many anti-west demonstrations have you seen by Iranians?

The answer: ZERO

Ask yourself why.

13 June 2025, 15:05

nute

There is quite a lot of discontent with the Iranian government amongst Iranians. There is also quite a lot of low grade civil disobedience by various groups amongst the general populace. Some makes the news headlines here, notably the young girl who died n police custody after arrest for not wearing her hijab correctly, but many don't, including protests against the restrictions on dog ownership amongst others.

Most Iranians seem to be very open and friendly to western visitors, there isn't pathological hatred of us by most people.

To me the best way to topple the zealots in charge in Iran is by gently fanning those embers of discontent. It may take years, but invading the place and inserting our choice of leader doesn't work. I would also think just bombing the place back into the Stone Age will just unite feelings against us.

13 June 2025, 16:36

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by nute:
There is quite a lot of discontent with the Iranian government amongst Iranians. There is also quite a lot of low grade civil disobedience by various groups amongst the general populace. Some makes the news headlines here, notably the young girl who died n police custody after arrest for not wearing her hijab correctly, but many don't, including protests against the restrictions on dog ownership amongst others.

Most Iranians seem to be very open and friendly to western visitors, there isn't pathological hatred of us by most people.

To me the best way to topple the zealots in charge in Iran is by gently fanning those embers of discontent. It may take years, but invading the place and inserting our choice of leader doesn't work. I would also think just bombing the place back into the Stone Age will just unite feelings against us.

It is non of your business!

How would you like for someone to interfere in your affairs?

Starmer and his Bimbo in charge of the dis ruining the country!

Why don’t you do something about it?

All the problems in the world today were started by the West!

Giving Palestine to the Zionists??

What right have you to do that?

The CIA removed Musadeq when he won the election in Iran!

I suppose non of you wish to remember any of this?

13 June 2025, 19:07

nute

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by nute:
There is quite a lot of discontent with the Iranian government amongst Iranians. There is also quite a lot of low grade civil disobedience by various groups amongst the general populace. Some makes the news headlines here, notably the young girl who died n police custody after arrest for not wearing her hijab correctly, but many don't, including protests against the restrictions on dog ownership amongst others.

Most Iranians seem to be very open and friendly to western visitors, there isn't pathological hatred of us by most people.

To me the best way to topple the zealots in charge in Iran is by gently fanning those embers of discontent. It may take years, but invading the place and inserting our choice of leader doesn't work. I would also think just bombing the place back into the Stone Age will just unite feelings against us.

It is non of your business!

How would you like for someone to interfere in your affairs?

Starmer and his Bimbo in charge of the dis ruining the country!

Why don’t you do something about it?

All the problems in the world today were started by the West!

Giving Palestine to the Zionists??

What right have you to do that?

The CIA removed Musadeq when he won the election in Iran!

I suppose non of you wish to remember any of this?

It's my business in as much as Iran has nukes and is supplying Russia with weapons and drones with which to invade Ukraine. Russia already does interfere in our affairs in case you hadn't noticed.

Im not in favour of, or arguing in favour of replacing the government of Iran with one of our choosing - read what I wrote. Im in favour of enabling the discontented majority in Iran to replace the religious nutters with an alternative of their own choosing, should they so wish

13 June 2025, 19:23

nute

quote:
Giving Palestine to the Zionists??

What right have you to do that?

Yet again you need to brush up on your history. I didn't give Palestine to the zionists. The UN voted to partition Palestine after the zionists had fought a campaign for statehood - look us resolution 181.

And before you trot out your favourite quote for the millionth time, lord Rothschild was the leader of the Jewish community in the UK, in 1917. All that meant is that the British govt of the time would look favourably on the establishment of a Jewish state, it conferred no rights whatsoever. And the bit you so often miss-

"nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"

Israel didn't gain independence until 20 years later.

I have great sympathy for the Palestinians who want to live peacefully in an independent homeland. Hamas is not helping this occur and nor historically have your neighbouring states who seem to be obsessed with invading the state of Israel, which, like it or not, is not going away.

13 June 2025, 19:25

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:

All the problems in the world today were started by the West!

That's like something Osama bin Laden would say.

Well, the West took care of that problem, eventually but probably not finally.

I've been watching the documentary on Netflix about the hunt for Osama bin Laden. It's definitely something you can't make up, so I figure it's all true.

Towards the end of his "career" as a terrorist, he wanted nukes to upscale 911.

If Iran had nukes to give, surly Bin Laden, or his clone, would have a source and means to use them, with God's blessings.

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13 June 2025, 22:53

Magine Enigam

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...t6U?ocid=socialshare

Iran will not participate in nuclear negotiations with U.S. scheduled for Sunday

13 June 2025, 22:57

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by nute:
quote:
Giving Palestine to the Zionists??

What right have you to do that?

Yet again you need to brush up on your history. I didn't give Palestine to the zionists. The UN voted to partition Palestine after the zionists had fought a campaign for statehood - look us resolution 181.

And before you trot out your favourite quote for the millionth time, lord Rothschild was the leader of the Jewish community in the UK, in 1917. All that meant is that the British govt of the time would look favourably on the establishment of a Jewish state, it conferred no rights whatsoever. And the bit you so often miss-

"nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"

Israel didn't gain independence until 20 years later.

I have great sympathy for the Palestinians who want to live peacefully in an independent homeland. Hamas is not helping this occur and nor historically have your neighbouring states who seem to be obsessed with invading the state of Israel, which, like it or not, is not going away.

This was well said. I concur.

13 June 2025, 23:12

shankspony

1300 Iranians inside Iran with anti tank ordinance taking out Irans ballistic missiles and air defences as they appear. Wow! never saw that coming.

13 June 2025, 23:19

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by nute:
There is quite a lot of discontent with the Iranian government amongst Iranians. There is also quite a lot of low grade civil disobedience by various groups amongst the general populace. Some makes the news headlines here, notably the young girl who died n police custody after arrest for not wearing her hijab correctly, but many don't, including protests against the restrictions on dog ownership amongst others.

Most Iranians seem to be very open and friendly to western visitors, there isn't pathological hatred of us by most people.

To me the best way to topple the zealots in charge in Iran is by gently fanning those embers of discontent. It may take years, but invading the place and inserting our choice of leader doesn't work. I would also think just bombing the place back into the Stone Age will just unite feelings against us.

It is non of your business!

How would you like for someone to interfere in your affairs?

Starmer and his Bimbo in charge of the dis ruining the country!

Why don’t you do something about it?

All the problems in the world today were started by the West!

Giving Palestine to the Zionists??

What right have you to do that?

The CIA removed Musadeq when he won the election in Iran!

I suppose non of you wish to remember any of this?

Ahh but it is the west business. Iran is actively aiding attacks on sovereign European countries.

The thing is also, the British people do do something about their leadership. They vote them in or out. No need for an uprising. That's peaceful democracy.

Yes you are correct that the rise of the mullahs in Iran is the direct responsibility of the UK and USA. However that would not be the issue it is if the leaders of the past 60 years of Iran behaved as decent world citizens and refrained from causing turmoil and threatening its neighbours so emphatically.

14 June 2025, 00:22

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by nute:
There is quite a lot of discontent with the Iranian government amongst Iranians. There is also quite a lot of low grade civil disobedience by various groups amongst the general populace. Some makes the news headlines here, notably the young girl who died n police custody after arrest for not wearing her hijab correctly, but many don't, including protests against the restrictions on dog ownership amongst others.

Most Iranians seem to be very open and friendly to western visitors, there isn't pathological hatred of us by most people.

To me the best way to topple the zealots in charge in Iran is by gently fanning those embers of discontent. It may take years, but invading the place and inserting our choice of leader doesn't work. I would also think just bombing the place back into the Stone Age will just unite feelings against us.

It is non of your business!

How would you like for someone to interfere in your affairs?

Starmer and his Bimbo in charge of the dis ruining the country!

Why don’t you do something about it?

All the problems in the world today were started by the West!

Giving Palestine to the Zionists??

What right have you to do that?

The CIA removed Musadeq when he won the election in Iran!

I suppose non of you wish to remember any of this?

If some rouge country kept screaming, "Death to UAE" and was on the threshold of nuclear weapons, I would expect your leadership to act to protect its citizenry.

14 June 2025, 04:17

Saeed

quote:
Ahh but it is the west business. Iran is actively aiding attacks on sovereign European countries.

The thing is also, the British people do do something about their leadership. They vote them in or out. No need for an uprising. That's peaceful democracy.

Yes you are correct that the rise of the mullahs in Iran is the direct responsibility of the UK and USA. However that would not be the issue it is if the leaders of the past 60 years of Iran behaved as decent world citizens and refrained from causing turmoil and threatening its neighbours so emphatically.

Non of this violence was started by Iran, or anyone one else.

EXCEPT THE WEST!

14 June 2025, 04:31

Magine Enigam

So, Trump is playing the who is "holding the cards" game again.

And he's underestimating religious extremists, projecting his own transactional/leverage make a deal thing.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/13...srael-iran-war-trump

Why did Israel strike Iran? An Israeli politician and a US-Iran expert weigh in
June 13, 20258:04 AM ET

Excerpt - last five paragraphs:

Parsi: Well, also, based on what Trump is now currently saying, because he's essentially trying to take advantage of these strikes in order to get the Iranians to capitulate in the negotiations, because there has been an opportunity to strike a deal, one that would limit Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

But Trump shifted his position a couple of weeks ago and was no longer content with just limiting the program. He wants to essentially eliminate the program. And that led nowhere, predictably. And now instead, it appears that he has shifted towards allowing the Israelis to conduct these strikes in order to see whether that will change the Iranian position or not.

Martin: As Iranian state media says, Tehran will respond decisively to the Israeli strikes. You and other analysts have suggested this actually makes it more likely that Iran will continue to pursue a nuclear program.

Parsi: Well, nothing really strengthens your desire for nuclear deterrence than actually being attacked. And you have now several heads of the Atomic Energy Agency who have been warning that any attack on Iran will increase the likelihood that the Iranians will leave the Non-Proliferation Treaty and move towards a bomb. And that risk is now very significant.

So, Trump is making a major gamble here, thinking that this actually will soften the Iranian position and make them capitulate. If they don't, what are his options? And this is where I think the Israelis are hoping that the Iranians will not capitulate and that will force the United States into the war.

14 June 2025, 04:53

medved

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by nute:
There is quite a lot of discontent with the Iranian government amongst Iranians. There is also quite a lot of low grade civil disobedience by various groups amongst the general populace. Some makes the news headlines here, notably the young girl who died n police custody after arrest for not wearing her hijab correctly, but many don't, including protests against the restrictions on dog ownership amongst others.

Most Iranians seem to be very open and friendly to western visitors, there isn't pathological hatred of us by most people.

To me the best way to topple the zealots in charge in Iran is by gently fanning those embers of discontent. It may take years, but invading the place and inserting our choice of leader doesn't work. I would also think just bombing the place back into the Stone Age will just unite feelings against us.

It is non of your business!

How would you like for someone to interfere in your affairs?

Starmer and his Bimbo in charge of the dis ruining the country!

Why don’t you do something about it?

All the problems in the world today were started by the West!

Giving Palestine to the Zionists??

What right have you to do that?

The CIA removed Musadeq when he won the election in Iran!

I suppose non of you wish to remember any of this?

If some rouge country kept screaming, "Death to UAE" and was on the threshold of nuclear weapons, I would expect your leadership to act to protect its citizenry.

always justify the worst to do the dirty jobs by others ...

as a matter of fact you should think that trying to rule the world did not work very well for the last 2 wars despite countries not organised ...

iran was one of the best allies of the usa up to the time people decided something different. even if it is not right who are you to decide what others want for themselves ...

hilarious to think as of today all the right winggers fan of israel ... during the war usa did not welcome that much the jews that excaped by boats ...

14 June 2025, 07:22

Bill Leeper

A great deal of the fault does lie right at the feet of the West. It was the West that drilled all those wells and built those refineries. My own father managed projects in Iran, Iraq, Algeria, UAE, and Kuwait. The culture wrecking swine! The West destroyed a lifestyle and corrupted a culture. The right thing to do would be to cap those wells and decommission those refineries. Then leave those people alone. Of course, if Israel appreciates western help and Western trade, I guess that would be OK. Just let those other guys be. Bill

14 June 2025, 07:57

crbutler

Your persian cousins were exporting violence when the best the british could do was cut dirt (peat) to burn in a hovel to live through a winter.

Has the west done things they shouldn't have? Certainly.

But to assume that any group of people has a stranglehold on violence is willful ignorance.

Iran is run by a group of, in your words, a bunch of religious crazys.

Give them a nuclear bomb and they will try and use it for their interpretation of their religion.

I don't at all see the Israeli desire to not have those kooks having WMD's as being at all unreasonable.

I honestly see the mullahs as being willing to hand over an A bomb to a group of "freedom fighters" and knowing it will be used on some "infidel" target it would be fine by them.

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Ahh but it is the west business. Iran is actively aiding attacks on sovereign European countries.

The thing is also, the British people do do something about their leadership. They vote them in or out. No need for an uprising. That's peaceful democracy.

Yes you are correct that the rise of the mullahs in Iran is the direct responsibility of the UK and USA. However that would not be the issue it is if the leaders of the past 60 years of Iran behaved as decent world citizens and refrained from causing turmoil and threatening its neighbours so emphatically.

Non of this violence was started by Iran, or anyone one else.

EXCEPT THE WEST!

18 June 2025, 01:58

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Non of this violence was started by Iran, or anyone one else.

EXCEPT THE WEST!

I do not remember who started the Iran/Iraq war during the time of Khomeni's and Hussein's reigns. Do I remember Israel smuggling F-14 parts to Iran at the time? If not allies, they were at least not shooting at each other.

Israel has air dominance for the time being, I'd guess that they'll take advantage of it while it lasts.
On the other hand, they do not appear to have a good way to stop ballistic missiles...