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Originally posted by Kensco:
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last...esponds-221955141607

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Here are some quotes from the article linked in the OP: https://thehill.com/homenews/m...0-election-coverage/

“I had no problem with conservative opinion any more than I do with liberal opinion,” Wallace said during a podcast appearance with Mediaite Editor-in-Chief Aidan McLaughlin. “But what I do have a problem with is conspiracy and lies. The truth is nonnegotiable.”

Wallace, the former host of “Fox News Sunday” who moderated presidential debates and anchored political coverage on the network for years, left the top-rated cable channel in 2021.

He has previously criticized Fox over its controversial but highly-rated opinion programming.

Wallace months after leaving Fox told The New York Times working at the outlet had become untenable for him, saying, “When people start to question the truth — Who won the 2020 election? Was Jan. 6 an insurrection? — I found that unsustainable.”

Wallace went a step further to say he was “glad” the network agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems millions of dollars to settle its defamation case. Dominion sued Fox in 2021 for airing false claims about its software that were being promoted by former President Trump and his allies after the 2020 election.

“To the degree that Fox was scared by the cost of calling Arizona correctly and people going to other more conservative outlets, there’s also a cost to lying and misrepresenting,” he said. “And I was happy to see that cost was being exacted.”

Trump, again the Republican nominee for president, has refused to concede defeat in the 2020 election and regularly singles out Wallace as part of his broader attacks on the media.

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Here's another article with more details:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry...59fde4b00a4f9829be9e

Chris Wallace Gives Unvarnished Brutal Truth About Why He Left Fox News

The veteran anchor didn't hold back this time in discussing his days at the conservative network.
By Ron Dicker
Oct 8, 2024, 02:31 PM EDT

(excerpt)

Wallace said a “firewall” between Fox News anchors and its opinionated personalities crumbled during the 2020 presidential election. The network’s calling of Arizona, a swing state, in Joe Biden’s favor and the subsequent backlash and viewer defection it suffered changed the culture, he said.

The erosion continued as Fox News downplayed the Jan. 6 Capitol attack after amplifying Donald Trump and his allies’ false claims that the election was stolen.

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The "firewall" comment is most interesting, re Wallace's role at Fox.

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28...-2020-election-fraud

Rupert Murdoch says Fox stars 'endorsed' lies about 2020. He chose not to stop them
February 28, 20235:00 AM ET

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16...-trump-election-2020

Off the air, Fox News stars blasted the election fraud claims they peddled
February 16, 20237:28 PM ET

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/0...Futl2&smid=url-share

Inside the Panic at Fox News After the 2020 Election
“If we hadn’t called Arizona,” said Suzanne Scott, the network’s chief executive, according to a recording reviewed by The New York Times, “our ratings would have been bigger.”

Here's the last four paragraphs from the article:

Mr. Murdoch was not keen on waiting. On Nov. 20, four days after the Zoom meeting, according to documents filed by Dominion, he told Ms. Scott, “Maybe best to let Bill go right away,” which would “be a big message with Trump people.”

Mr. Sammon, who had called every election correctly over 12 years at Fox and had just been offered a new three-year contract, was told that same day that his contract would not be renewed after all. He heard not from Fox but from his lawyer, Robert Barnett. Mr. Stirewalt was out too.

Fox would, in the end, wait until after Georgia to announce the purge, without attributing it to the Arizona call. Mr. Sammon, who negotiated a severance package, would call his departure a “retirement,” while Stirewalt’s dismissal was characterized as a “restructuring.”

Three weeks later, Fox announced a new multiyear contract extension for Ms. Scott.

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OKAY , with a little research I finally found what I was looking for:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...inion-suit-rcna72693

'I hate him passionately': Tucker Carlson was fed up with Trump after the 2020 election
Hundreds of pages of exhibits were the latest documents to be unsealed as part of Dominion Voting Systems' $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News.

The whole article is worth reading, but I will excerpt the part I was specifically looking for:

The private comments were a far cry from what Carlson's viewers were used to hearing from the stalwart conservative host on his prime-time show every night.

“We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest,” he wrote in another text message, referring to the "last four years." “But come on. There isn’t really an upside to Trump.”

The revelation is in hundreds of pages of testimony, private text messages and emails from top Fox News journalists and executives that were made public Tuesday, adding to the trove of documents that show a network in crisis after it alienated core viewers by reporting accurately on the results of the 2020 presidential election.

A judge unsealed the documents, along with parts of some employee depositions, as part of Dominion Voting Systems’ $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News.

The messages are blunt and, at times, profane, as hosts and top executives panicked about how to boost their ratings as Trump refused to acknowledge his defeat. The depositions, meanwhile, offer the broadest picture yet of how executives including Fox Corp. Chairman Rupert Murdoch allowed baseless conspiracy theories to flourish on air.

Dominion's briefs previously revealed that top figures at Fox News privately blasted election fraud claims as "crazy" and "insane," even as the network aired them on television, and that top boss Murdoch considered some of Trump's voter fraud claims to be “bulls--- and damaging” yet acknowledged in a deposition that he did nothing to rein in hosts who were promoting the bogus claims in the days after the 2020 election.

“The emails, texts, and deposition testimony speak for themselves. We welcome all scrutiny of our evidence because it all leads to the same place — Fox knowingly spread lies causing enormous damage to an American company," a Dominion spokesman told NBC News.

Fox News has said it was "proud of our 2020 election coverage, which stands in the highest tradition of American journalism," and it argued that the Dominion lawsuit is designed only to garner headlines. Dominion argues that the First Amendment does not allow media outlets to broadcast conspiracy theories they know are false.

“As the dominant media company among those viewers dissatisfied with the election results, Fox gave these fictions a prominence they otherwise would never have achieved. With Fox’s global platform, an audience of hundreds of millions, and the inevitable and extensive republication and dissemination of the falsehoods through social media, these lies deeply damaged Dominion’s once-thriving business,” the 441-page lawsuit says. “Fox took a small flame and turned it into a forest fire.”

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Murdoch worried Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham 'went too far'
In his email to Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott on Jan. 21, 2021, the day after Biden was inaugurated, Murdoch discussed the heat he was getting from GOP senators for stories suggesting the election had been stolen.

“Still getting mud thrown at us!” Murdoch wrote. “Maybe Sean and Laura went too far,” he continued, referring to prime-time hosts Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham.

He also asked Scott whether it was “unarguable that high profile Fox voices fed the story that the election was stolen and that January 6th an important chance to have the result overturned.”

Scott punted the request to a group of executives, noting “please send specifics.”

Six hours later, Irena Briganti, the Fox News executive in charge of communications, responded with more than 15 pages of transcripts of examples.

Prime-time hosts were furious at the news division for its accurate election call
In a group text chain from mid-November, Hannity, Ingraham and Carlson complained about their news colleagues and the network’s decision to call Arizona in favor of Biden. Fox News was the first network to do so, and the call was accurate.

“Why would anyone defend that call,” Hannity asked.

“My anger at the news channel is pronounced,” Ingraham said later in the exchange.

Carlson piped in, saying: “It should be. We devote our lives to building an audience and they let Chris Wallace and Leland [expletive] Vittert wreck it. Too much.”

Wallace and Vittert were Fox News hosts and anchors at the time.

Maria Bartiromo said she would not refer to Biden as the president-elect on air
In text messages with Bannon on Nov. 10, 2020, Fox News host Maria Bartiromo said, "Omg I'm so depressed. I can't take this," and lamented how upsetting it was to watch the "world move forward."

"I want to see massive fraud exposed. Will he be able to turn this around," she added, referring to Trump. "I told my team we are not allowed to say pres elect at all. Not in scripts or in banners on air. Until this moves through the courts."

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Here's the exact quote I was looking for:

Carlson piped in, saying: “It should be. We devote our lives to building an audience (by radicalizing, amplifying lies and lying and exploiting with no concern for our harm to the nation) and they let Chris Wallace and Leland [expletive] Vittert wreck it. Too much.”

Carlson was whining and indignant about the ratings. He didn't own his dishonesty or the real harm. I inserted the words which explain what Carlson really should have owned.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The thing is, Lane, it is alternate to yours. We don't dwell in the alt-reality that you do.

For the sake of "fair and balanced", here's Fox Spin on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aTH?ocid=socialshare

Regardless of all else it's easy to see how Baier wasn't just asking questions, he was pushing a narrative, and he repeatedly interrupted her to make his point.

Fox spin was that he was appropriately aggressive.

There is no way to legit claim that this was a soft-ball interview. He pushed it beyond ridiculous. That's his and Fox's plot.

And Harris had the balls to face the AH.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The thing is, Lane, it is alternate to yours. We don't dwell in the alt-reality that you do.

For the sake of "fair and balanced", here's Fox Spin on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aTH?ocid=socialshare

Regardless of all else it's easy to see how Baier wasn't just asking questions, he was pushing a narrative, and he repeatedly interrupted her to make his point.

Fox spin was that he was appropriately aggressive.

There is no way to legit claim that this was a soft-ball interview. He pushed it beyond ridiculous. That's his and Fox's plot.

And Harris had the balls to face the AH.

No…100% y’all are fruitcakes and understand zero reality of any shape or form. I only read y’all’s posts for a chuckle. Sometimes they are so far out there I do respond out of amazement.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
I’ll bet she was just trying to hold back a “Will you shut the fuck up and let me finish speaking?”

He wasn’t conducting an interview, he was trying for a MAGAtty propaganda event wherein he thought he could browbeat and belittle her. I think she held her own just fine in the face of a rude and ignorant MAGAt prick on his own turf.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Beta Males look up to women.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://youtu.be/Bmn9Iq_W-_4?si=WotUdBxpOzjhixo8

Fox host CONCEDES DEFEAT after interview with Kamala

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The thing is, Lane, it is alternate to yours. We don't dwell in the alt-reality that you do.

For the sake of "fair and balanced", here's Fox Spin on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aTH?ocid=socialshare

Regardless of all else it's easy to see how Baier wasn't just asking questions, he was pushing a narrative, and he repeatedly interrupted her to make his point.

Fox spin was that he was appropriately aggressive.

There is no way to legit claim that this was a soft-ball interview. He pushed it beyond ridiculous. That's his and Fox's plot.

And Harris had the balls to face the AH.

No…100% y’all are fruitcakes and understand zero reality of any shape or form. I only read y’all’s posts for a chuckle. Sometimes they are so far out there I do respond out of amazement.

You're the fruitcake, you turd. You accuse us of being terrorists and worse than the Taliban while you prepare to vote for a seditionist who engaged in extensive efforts to overturn a presidential election through aritifice, lies and fraud and is preparing to do it again.

You need to have your head x-rayed.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The thing is, Lane, it is alternate to yours. We don't dwell in the alt-reality that you do.

For the sake of "fair and balanced", here's Fox Spin on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aTH?ocid=socialshare

Regardless of all else it's easy to see how Baier wasn't just asking questions, he was pushing a narrative, and he repeatedly interrupted her to make his point.

Fox spin was that he was appropriately aggressive.

There is no way to legit claim that this was a soft-ball interview. He pushed it beyond ridiculous. That's his and Fox's plot.

And Harris had the balls to face the AH.

No…100% y’all are fruitcakes and understand zero reality of any shape or form. I only read y’all’s posts for a chuckle. Sometimes they are so far out there I do respond out of amazement.

You're the fruitcake, you turd. You accuse us of being terrorists and worse than the Taliban while you prepare to vote for a seditionist who engaged in extensive efforts to overturn a presidential election through aritifice, lies and fraud and is preparing to do it again.

You need to have your head x-rayed.

That’s just it…my head working fine.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The thing is, Lane, it is alternate to yours. We don't dwell in the alt-reality that you do.

For the sake of "fair and balanced", here's Fox Spin on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aTH?ocid=socialshare

Regardless of all else it's easy to see how Baier wasn't just asking questions, he was pushing a narrative, and he repeatedly interrupted her to make his point.

Fox spin was that he was appropriately aggressive.

There is no way to legit claim that this was a soft-ball interview. He pushed it beyond ridiculous. That's his and Fox's plot.

And Harris had the balls to face the AH.

No…100% y’all are fruitcakes and understand zero reality of any shape or form. I only read y’all’s posts for a chuckle. Sometimes they are so far out there I do respond out of amazement.

You're the fruitcake, you turd. You accuse us of being terrorists and worse than the Taliban while you prepare to vote for a seditionist who engaged in extensive efforts to overturn a presidential election through aritifice, lies and fraud and is preparing to do it again.

You need to have your head x-rayed.

That’s just it…my head working fine.

That's just it: if your head isn't working fine, you'd be the last to know.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The thing is, Lane, it is alternate to yours. We don't dwell in the alt-reality that you do.

For the sake of "fair and balanced", here's Fox Spin on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aTH?ocid=socialshare

Regardless of all else it's easy to see how Baier wasn't just asking questions, he was pushing a narrative, and he repeatedly interrupted her to make his point.

Fox spin was that he was appropriately aggressive.

There is no way to legit claim that this was a soft-ball interview. He pushed it beyond ridiculous. That's his and Fox's plot.

And Harris had the balls to face the AH.

No…100% y’all are fruitcakes and understand zero reality of any shape or form. I only read y’all’s posts for a chuckle. Sometimes they are so far out there I do respond out of amazement.

You're the fruitcake, you turd. You accuse us of being terrorists and worse than the Taliban while you prepare to vote for a seditionist who engaged in extensive efforts to overturn a presidential election through aritifice, lies and fraud and is preparing to do it again.

You need to have your head x-rayed.

That’s just it…my head working fine.

That's just it: if your head isn't working fine, you'd be the last to know.

No sir…I would be the first to know. Why? Because I still do intricate surgeries every week, I handle the difficult orthopedic and neurologic diagnostics for the hospital, manage 3 veterinary medical companies, manage the monetary investments for those companies, and help my elderly Dad manage the ranches and oil and gas holdings. All going well due to head functioning at a 100%. What does your head get done these days Roland?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Watch Commie Kamala prove beyond any doubt what a stupid, ignorant BIMBO she is!

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Well, I tried. How anyone could sit through all of that bullshit is beyond me. Bret Baier was annoying with his slanted, gotcha, questioning. Kamala Harris was annoying with her determined avoidance of anything resembling an answer to even an unloaded question.
If I was asking a question regarding the number of illegal immigrants released, I would preface the question by saying that there were two potentially valid responses. One would be a number, the other would be "I don't know". In the absence of either response, I would note the refusal to answer and move on.
The truth is, Harris has no problem with illegal immigrants. She has said so publicly, on numerous occasions. As for Trump, he has no problem with them either but sees them as a valuable pawn.
I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here.
I am in full agreement with the concept of a path to citizenship for people who have been residing in the US illegally, as well as for those who enter the country legally and illegally.
In each case, the price of admission should be two years of indebted servitude to the nation. In the case of illegal residents, it should be two years plus one month for each year of illegal residency. There should be no exceptions and no exemptions. In the cases of those caught entering the country illegally, servitude would begin after they had served their prison term for the illegal entry. If the resident/immigrant is unable to serve as anything but a doorstop, they should get to spend two years as a doorstop.
Anyway, I may try to watch the rest of that interview, but after 12 minutes, I was struggling to keep from calling the suicide hotline. Regards, Bill.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The thing is, Lane, it is alternate to yours. We don't dwell in the alt-reality that you do.

For the sake of "fair and balanced", here's Fox Spin on it:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...aTH?ocid=socialshare

Regardless of all else it's easy to see how Baier wasn't just asking questions, he was pushing a narrative, and he repeatedly interrupted her to make his point.

Fox spin was that he was appropriately aggressive.

There is no way to legit claim that this was a soft-ball interview. He pushed it beyond ridiculous. That's his and Fox's plot.

And Harris had the balls to face the AH.

No…100% y’all are fruitcakes and understand zero reality of any shape or form. I only read y’all’s posts for a chuckle. Sometimes they are so far out there I do respond out of amazement.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Beta Males look up to women.

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No sir…I would be the first to know. Why? Because I still do intricate surgeries every week, I handle the difficult orthopedic and neurologic diagnostics for the hospital, manage 3 veterinary medical companies, manage the monetary investments for those companies, and help my elderly Dad manage the ranches and oil and gas holdings. All going well due to head functioning at a 100%. What does your head get done these days Roland?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Beta Males look up to women.

Snort!!!! even idiot women!

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Really devious how Baier didn't play Trump's inflammatory comments about using the military on American citizens that disagree with him, just showed Trump justifying those comments.

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Originally posted by ledvm:



No sir…I would be the first to know. Why? Because I still do intricate surgeries every week, I handle the difficult orthopedic and neurologic diagnostics for the hospital, manage 3 veterinary medical companies, manage the monetary investments for those companies, and help my elderly Dad manage the ranches and oil and gas holdings. All going well due to head functioning at a 100%. What does your head get done these days Roland?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:



No sir…I would be the first to know. Why? Because I still do intricate surgeries every week, I handle the difficult orthopedic and neurologic diagnostics for the hospital, manage 3 veterinary medical companies, manage the monetary investments for those companies, and help my elderly Dad manage the ranches and oil and gas holdings. All going well due to head functioning at a 100%. What does your head get done these days Roland?

I thought you said you were sorta retired. With all your travels, shitting on several boards and your conservationist activities, you sure are busy.

I'm retired too, and really get along well as long as I get my afternoon nap.

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Originally posted by Kensco:

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Really devious how Baier didn't play Trump's inflammatory comments about using the military on American citizens that disagree with him, just showed Trump justifying those comments.

Now Baier says it was a "mistake". That excuse is straight out of the MAGA Playbook. Tell the lie first so you know it is out there on the Internet, in the media, and absorbed into the ignorant minds of MAGA.....then later come back and admit the "mistake" hoping the correction doesn't get near as much attention. https://www.thedailybeast.com/...s-interview-mistake/

That is why you don't need to worry in the future about what is fake AI generated news, or real news. As soon as you can determine the individual is MAGA, you can disregard the rest of the message. You can rest assured it's a lie.

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Before long you have otherwise intelligent people on Internet forums swearing that the lie IS the truth.