The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Guns, Politics, Gunsmithing & Reloading The Political Forum Dobbs draft leakGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
One of Us |
Supreme Court says it cannot determine who leaked draft Dobbs opinion What are the chances it was one of the liberal Justices themselves? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | ||
|
| One of Us |
There is a lot of reporting, you can Google it, that the conservative judges have been very looses lopes about opinions with folks. My money is someone’s law clerk. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I assume you are referencing Thomas? I certainly don’t know one way or the other. But, there is a difference talk and an actual draft copy - which was shared. I can’t imagine one of the conservatives actually handing someone a draft. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
One of Us |
Chances are 6-3 it was a conservative. | |||
|
| One of Us |
What motive would they have for leaking a draft? That makes zero sense. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
The way and to whom it was leaked indicates that it was a liberal. I would like to think that the justices would not do so themselves. I can’t say they wouldn’t if they felt it was that big of a deal, but frankly, they were involved in the discussion and knew that it would come out sooner or later, and I would like to think all the justices know each other well enough to know that they are not amenable to outside pressure (I hope…) This strikes me as a liberal clerk or staff member’s doing. Whether or not it was one of the clerks for an affirming or dissenting justice, I suspect a conservative justice’s staff as the liberals would be discussing it and the justice themself would be role modeling how to properly behave. The conservative would be assuming their clerks and staff are supportive and not be trying to make sure no one is behaving badly in this case more than any other. | |||
|
| One of Us |
In the alternative, the conservative camp did the leaking to keep a conservative justice from flipping at the 11th hour which is what happened in Casey. It showed they were in record for overturning. The leak tainted any further debate of the opinion as political motivated if a Justice switched their vote. Justice Scilla went to bed thinking he had the votes to kill a federal right to an abortion. He woke up in the minority because a Justice flipped in the twilight hours. Since we have documentation of conservative justices getting loose, the money is even. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Your point makes perfect sense. I can see that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
https://twitter.com/jonathantu...tIkpb_NJhPxs7KzlX2HQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Joshua, Is there one particular Justice or office that you suspect the leak from? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I would just be speculating on past questionable behavior. I expect it was a law clerk. I do not believe it came from one of the 3 consecutive concurrences. It is possible a conservative justice law clerk did it to burn the Dobbs majority. I have a problem calling this conservative because overturning 50 years of individual right is not conservatism when the opinion is based on nothing more than subjectivity. That is judicial activism. I would be surprised if it came from. Justice Gorsuch, CJ Roberts, or Justice Sotomayor. This is a severe breach of ethical rules. I do not know if there are confidential laws regarding S. Ct. deliberations-draft opinions. I doubt it because such breach is so repulsive, the ethics so obvious no one would think necessary. There would need to be a breach of criminal law for me to green light FBI. Assuming, such a criminal law exists, Yes, the FBI and not the Court should conduct the investigation. Let us make such a law. I am all for criminalizing this behavior as a Fed Crime. The shame of it is we obviously need such a law. | |||
|
| One of Us |
From what I have seen…Sotomayor remains on my suspect list. As to law…is leak of court documents not a violation of law? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I do not think there is a Federal law covering leak and duplication of S. Ct. draft opinions. I am prepared to be wrong. This is because Courts do not like legislature telling them how to huddle Court business. These are supposed to be our best and ethic rule such as this being breached is not something that anyone would think about to underpin with a law. Let us pass a law making the leaking of S. Cr draft opinions, work product, or copying on personal devices a Federal Crime and Felony. Happens again, release the dogs of the FBI. The leak prevented the Justices from any debate of the opinion free of the taint of political pressure. That is beyond unacceptable. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Just wow! The "right" was based upon subjectivity. And the subjectivity that the "right" was based upon was judicial activism. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Just wow. No, Roe itself applied science as to the trimester system. Casey applied an analytical test to guide Courts on how to decide if a state action violated the right or was Constitutional. Justice Alito just spewed false history from his point of view. His majority opinion contains little legal analysis. Given the Concurrences are written, it is not even a majority opinion. The effect is the same; even if no majority reasoning exist. Ultimately, the law is what the Court does. Heller and it prodigy was Judicial Activism overturning over 100 years of precedent. However, in the contexts of the Incorporation Doctrine and Fundamental Rights analysis those cases rely upon Judicial rules from over 50 years of case law were applied. That is the difference. Go read the Supreme Court case of Dickerson. It is attached below. Courts do not just make up things in a case. They apply judicial rules from similar cases to build an analysis. That is stare decisis and precedent matter. That is why a Justice saying my , flawed, reading of history is not legal analysis. It takes more than saying wrong from the day it was decided. Here is Dickerson, so you can see how it is done correctly. https://supreme.justia.com/cas.../us/530/428/case.pdf | |||
|
| One of Us |
If we are going to have a law that allows the killing of human life…it needs to go through the legislative process THEN pass SCOTUS muster. Not shoved down our throats by a crafty lawyer that only has to sway 5 minds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Legislators have no business in this realm except for the safe guards provided fir by Casey. That prevented what you originally objected too. A Federal Right to an abortion is older than. Federal Right to possess a firearm. Yet, you do not say that about guns. Even the Originalist Scilla ignored the original intent of the Bill of Rights, 200 years of case law on point, and used the Bench Made Incorporation Doctrine to create a right that guy just happen to agree with. You cannot get around that. Scilla had it both ways. So, I guess you can as well. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I'd be astonished if this leak came from a Justice. Possible, I guess but I doubt it. I'd bet money the leak came from a clerk. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Scalia was a smidge too liberal in my view. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Yep, Justice Scalia, the liberal justice.  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
|
| One of Us |
If Justice Scalia is too liberal for you, then you are way off the reservation of American Politics and the laws we have structured this society. Scalia was a fine historian. Alito not so much. You can see in Justice Alito’s writings he is trying to do Justice Scalia’s history lessons. He just is not very good at it. Justice Scalia embraced the Incorporation Doctrine when it satisfied his world view of politics. When it did not he see a line. Make no mistake as I have proven on here with his own quotes Justice Scalia beloved on the Incorporation Doctrine and loved finding privacy rights to trigger and Incorporate protections against search and seizure. Like I said, he took it both ways. I never heard him answer the challenge. I did hear it ask if him about the issues we are discussing here. His response was non responsive. I suggest he believed the Incorporation Doctrine should only apply to the Bill of Rights, but he never said that. In fact, he often writes post it I’ve of “found rights” such as Miranda. Now, since his death, Miranda has been held not to be a Right but I quote, “ A mandatory protractive that protects the Incorporated Right against self-incrimination.” | |||
|
| One of Us |
Justices fully complied and were not implicated in the Leak. https://www.reuters.com/legal/...ak-probe-2023-01-20/ | |||
|
| One of Us |
Joshua, I was born in 1964. But, my best friends until I went off to college were old time cowboys — some of which were born in the 30’s. My Dad’s oldest brother (still alive btw) was born in a one room house with dirt floors and only a sandstone fireplace from which to heat and cook. I realize I look at the world through a different lens but I am OK with that. Scalia was to the left of my political beliefs on many issues — even Heller. Anyway, I don't really want to argue with you. I recognize you are smart and feel your thought processes are correct. I am happy with mine and am unlikely to change. I like politics however and I put my money and energy where I believe it is deserved and feel you should as well. I have lived in times I liked better than today and I employed many 20 something’s 20 years ago just as I do today. I see the differences and they are not for the better — IMHO. But that is just what it is — “my” humble opinion (some of my real personal friends give me grief when I say that — Lane, you have never seen a humble day — jokingly). I make a difference in my community, I serve my Lord and Savior to my best understanding of His word, and I sleep well at night. I wish nothing but the same blessed happiness for you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
My gist was that he was quite a bit left of me — fact. FWIW. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Dr. Easter; Justify your positions and advise as you se fit. It does not equate to superior works view. Like I inquired a while ago now, and you never responded, if you would donate to Hershel Walker, you are not a political serious person and an example of why the Rs are loosing. As for God and blessings, listen I do not doubt it question your devotion to God. Never had never will. I do question your theology as it is the destruction of free will and the destruction of Separation of Church and State. The separation that Jesus supported, God is a spurt and must be worshipped in spirit, God gave domain of Earth to man, no prohibition against abortion in New Testament while Divorce, Taxation, and Marriage are prescribed, a rejection of marriage and gender in Heaven. Your belief in God is no stronger and no more correct, in the eyes of law, than a Muslim. You desire to regulate with the force of the states folks relationships between adults, their bed rooms, and legal status based on your reading of scripture is not how not the best to structure a society. I warned you after Dobbs contraception was next. You said that was not going to happen. A Judge in Texas already has. You are mo more American than the people you kick against. This system is big enough for all to live in peace fully protected and with all enjoyment in the public sphere as anyone else. There are no true American. We are all Americans. Pray all you want. No, the state is not permitted to endorse and have others do so. Whatever blessing is to come to me, may you and yours may receive it. That is the most I can offer. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I am happy to hear that. But in today’s world you really don’t know the truth…even if you read it from a generally reliable source. Still, I pray the report is correct. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I know you were going to say that. It takes more faith to question the report, than not believe it as the report is based on information; not assumptions. I will give you this: Pray for the Best expect the Worst. You will never be surprised. | |||
|
| One of Us |
All information comes with some assumption. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Assumption without any data or facts is just guessing; ie faith. For someone who is so distrustful of Government, you sure want a lot of Government in our private lives. Who we can marry, when or how we pray, what adults can have sex, how we identify for ourselves gender, government directing a woman and her doctor to bring a fetus to term. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Those ^^^ are your words and thoughts — not mine. Thousands of years of precedence for marriage being between a man and a woman. The word marriage has sanctity. The precedence and sanctity should have been preserved for the word. The contractual union between whoever is fine with me. Call it by another name. An unborn baby is a human…they deserve an advocate. Abortion is killing a human — a fact that needs recognition. I want the government totally hands off with respect to prayer — totally. The rest is “your” supposition. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Your opposition to same-sex marriage goes only to use of the term "marriage"? A semantic argument? They could call it a "Holy Union," and that would be fine with you? I wonder how honest you're being. I suspect some of your opposition at least rests on Biblical prohibitions against homosexual acts. You've said already that you csn't divorce your views from the influence of the Bible. Your views on abortion are the same. Abortion involves the killing of a human fetus. Here too your position is determined by the Bible, isn't it? At least with the strained interpretation of the Book that you choose to apply. I think your Bible is at war with your libertarianism. | |||
|
| One of Us |
That makes you sim gong more than a libertarian. It is clear you want to be the bedroom Czar. Slavery is a thousand year old institution. We got rid of that just like we got rid of marriage inequality. You have no rational against marriage inequality that is not grounded in your view of scripture. That underscores how important it is to keep the state out of the evangelical, church business. Anyone who would send money to someone like Walker (let us assume you did not give money to Walker, you would if he were running in the state he actually is a resident of) is not a politically serious person and just helps Dems win. | |||
|
| One of Us |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I've just never heard anybody use the words liberal and Scalia in the same sentence.
-Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
|
| One of Us |
You should come to some of the Dallas County Republican Party meetings. It is mostly lawyers. I went to quite a few in 2016 primary when Cruz was running. Scalia being a tad too liberal was voiced regularly among your peers. He is slightly to the left of my views.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
|
| Powered by Social Strata |
 | Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
|
Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia
Since January 8 1998 you are visitor #: