CBS and other outlets reporting he has Stage 4 (mets to bone) Gleason class 9 aggressive prostate cancer. That's damn odd for a guy who got a complete full cavity search physical every year for the last 12 years or even before. Hard to fathom a PSA test didn't pick that up earlier. I guess it is possible.

Two of my best friends are fighting metastatic prostate cancer of the bone as we speak. Not fun. In one of the cases, it flew under the radar of the PSA test.

sorry to hear that, wouldn't wish it on anyone

I hear ya. I was diagnosed with a Gleason 7 prostate cancer in 2006 at age 50. I had been getting accelerations in my PSA's for over 5 years and my internist finally said something was up and he referred me to a urologist. After 2 rounds of antibiotics and no joy, he biopsied me and I had cancer in 2/12 needles. Due to my age, he said it would probably get me if I did anything but have surgery. So, he referred me to John's Hopkins in Baltimore where they cut it out. So far so good.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Two of my best friends are fighting metastatic prostate cancer of the bone as we speak. Not fun. In one of the cases, it flew under the radar of the PSA test.

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Originally posted by Bobster:
CBS and other outlets reporting he has Stage 4 (mets to bone) Gleason class 9 aggressive prostate cancer. That's damn odd for a guy who got a complete full cavity search physical every year for the last 12 years or even before. Hard to fathom a PSA test didn't pick that up earlier. I guess it is possible.

American health care is supposedly the best in the world we are told.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
sorry to hear that, wouldn't wish it on anyone

Me too.

But for the rest of us it could be worse.

We could have someone involved in the health care of the Nation who had part of his brain eaten by worms.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone either.

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

quote:

Originally posted by Bobster:
CBS and other outlets reporting he has Stage 4 (mets to bone) Gleason class 9 aggressive prostate cancer. That's damn odd for a guy who got a complete full cavity search physical every year for the last 12 years or even before. Hard to fathom a PSA test didn't pick that up earlier. I guess it is possible.

American health care is supposedly the best in the world we are told.

It certainly isn't perfect; not even close. When they take samples from a VIP I wonder if the techs now who the specimens/samples belong to.

I hope Bidens time is painless and full of joy.

Sorry to hear that. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Guess I need to get to the doctor for a physical. Haven't had one in a dozen years or so.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I hope Bidens time is painless and full of joy.

Same. I suspect his time is short. I bet we'll be seeing a state funeral before the end of the summer.

Biden had a supposedly thorough physical each year as President. A PSA test in a part of any annual physical and prostate cancer is generally slow growing. To reach stage 4 with no PSA rise beggars belief. Something strange here….

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Biden had a supposedly thorough physical each year as President. A PSA test in a part of any annual physical and prostate cancer is generally slow growing. To reach stage 4 with no PSA rise beggars belief. Something strange here….

Maybe he didn't have the PSA. Who knows? Who cares?I see dumb Don, Jr. is posting up the same thing and blaming Jill Biden for the failure to get an early diagnosis. Despicable.

The dr jill posts are just stupid... and, frankly, highlight the (willfull?) Ignorance of the poster.. there's far more non-MD Dr's than the obverse

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Biden had a supposedly thorough physical each year as President. A PSA test in a part of any annual physical and prostate cancer is generally slow growing. To reach stage 4 with no PSA rise beggars belief. Something strange here….

Maybe he didn't have the PSA. Who knows? Who cares?I see dumb Don, Jr. is posting up the same thing and blaming Jill Biden for the failure to get an early diagnosis. Despicable.

Would a digital exam detect anything?

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Biden had a supposedly thorough physical each year as President. A PSA test in a part of any annual physical and prostate cancer is generally slow growing. To reach stage 4 with no PSA rise beggars belief. Something strange here….

Maybe he didn't have the PSA. Who knows? Who cares?I see dumb Don, Jr. is posting up the same thing and blaming Jill Biden for the failure to get an early diagnosis. Despicable.

Would a digital exam detect anything?

No idea. Dr. Dollar is correct about the PSA testing. I think that is the gold standard on early detection. Maybe Biden skipped it.

Having had and been treated for prostate cancer, I’m pretty conversant with diagnosis and treatment. The PSA blood test is simply the gold standard, followed by the digital rectal exam. No elderly man should ever skip a PSA during an annual physical exam and I HIGHLY doubt a Whitehouse physician would overlook it. This has fuckall to do with Jill Biden but the timeline here makes no sense as far as late stage cancer diagnosis with a slow growing cancer like prostate.

Digital exam is usually positive way too late as far as detecting early, and has actually been listed as not recommended by the USPSTF (the group that decides what screening is recommended) due to the high number of false positives with it.

Some do it to assess prostate size still.

At President Biden’s age, it’s not really unusual for things to proceed very quickly.

I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

That they stated it was hormone receptor positive it is treatable and at his age it is not unusual to “die with cancer” as opposed to die of cancer.

The part that is hard is knowing you have cancer and you can’t do much about treating it.

PSA is the standard for prostate screening now.

However, screening isn’t supposed to be universal. It’s a choice that the patient makes.

I would be very surprised if the WH physician didn’t do one.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Biden had a supposedly thorough physical each year as President. A PSA test in a part of any annual physical and prostate cancer is generally slow growing. To reach stage 4 with no PSA rise beggars belief. Something strange here….

Maybe he didn't have the PSA. Who knows? Who cares?I see dumb Don, Jr. is posting up the same thing and blaming Jill Biden for the failure to get an early diagnosis. Despicable.

Would a digital exam detect anything?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Digital exam is usually positive way too late as far as detecting early, and has actually been listed as not recommended by the USPSTF (the group that decides what screening is recommended) due to the high number of false positives with it.

Some do it to assess prostate size still.

At President Biden’s age, it’s not really unusual for things to proceed very quickly.

I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

That they stated it was hormone receptor positive it is treatable and at his age it is not unusual to “die with cancer” as opposed to die of cancer.

The part that is hard is knowing you have cancer and you can’t do much about treating it.

PSA is the standard for prostate screening now.

However, screening isn’t supposed to be universal. It’s a choice that the patient makes.

I would be very surprised if the WH physician didn’t do one.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Biden had a supposedly thorough physical each year as President. A PSA test in a part of any annual physical and prostate cancer is generally slow growing. To reach stage 4 with no PSA rise beggars belief. Something strange here….

Maybe he didn't have the PSA. Who knows? Who cares?I see dumb Don, Jr. is posting up the same thing and blaming Jill Biden for the failure to get an early diagnosis. Despicable.

Would a digital exam detect anything?

I assed about the digit since AFAIK Medicare won't pay for it as part of their annual physical.

Disclosure and diagnosis aren't necessarily the same timing

Well, heads should roll if this was diagnosed while he was still POTUS and covered up.

It is very difficult to believe that it could have metastasized into his bones before it was discovered.

IDK, who would put off doing something about it when it's first found? Just to appear healthy?
It might have been missed, but covered up?

Hard to say what happens in another man's situation. I did know a man in the 80s whose wife died of a brain tumor. He then developed prostate cancer about the same time his grown son developed a brain tumor. He was there for his son, and put his treatment on the back burner over the objections of his close friends. After his son died he got after his own problem. Too late; and we attended his funeral too. Just a complete cluster fuck. The man told his friends that he never regretted his decision. He was able to spend time with his son.

The PSA number is an interesting prognosticator. It's not so much the number as the change in the number. My PSA has never been under 7 for the last twenty years, and is rocking around 8.5 now. I've had two biopsies. The first one clear, and the second one, a year ago, showed an ASAP. No follow-up recommended. On the other hand my younger brother's PSA moved up, just over 4.0 and a biopsy showed he had cancer.

My fishing buddy just got out of the hospital. His prostatitis turned septic. He's now looking at aquablation or TURP. With antibiotics he is still having to urinate every 45 minutes.

The MRI for my MRI-guided prostate biopsy showed my prostate was three times larger than normal, by volume. That sounded crazy. That worked out to twice as large by diameter; yet I haven't needed aquablation or TURP, thank God.

A prostate is just a ticking time bomb.

I am calling BS on this. There was not a lot of truth told about 0biden during his tenure at all. He stayed in his basement instead of campaigning. His own party forced him out of re-election when it became clear the emperor's clothes were not visible. Hence the auto-pen frenzy.

You can't tell me someone in 0biden's medical cadre, while he was president, did not know about this. I am betting he had this diagnosis and also the dementia diagnosis a long time ago.

To me this is where politics goes very wrong. It's clearly a power issue. I am disgruntled for all of it. These people do everything and anything for re-elections, gloming votes and career wealth off the taxpayer's dime. Look at our congress, they can't get a damn thing done. None of them.

All lies. Sick of it.

Well, this one is ripe:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...c1da5570ef5e960&ei=6

Texas Rep. Responds To Biden Cancer Diagnosis With A Conspiracy Theory
Story by Ryan Grenoble • 9h •
2 min read

I sincerely hope President Biden’s retirement is painless and he can enjoy days of rest with his family.

I hate this, but if someone was going to tell me I had Prostate Cancer, I would want such news in my 80s then sooner.

Of course, the best, I wish it was so for President Biden, is never to hear such news.

Ronnie Jackson....the Texas Rep who lies about being a retired Navy Admiral....douchebag.

"But Jackson is no longer a retired admiral. The Navy demoted him in July 2022 following a damaging Pentagon inspector general’s report that substantiated allegations about his inappropriate behavior as a White House physician, a previously unreported decision confirmed by a current defense official and a former U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel move.

Jackson is now a retired Navy captain, those people said — a demotion that carries significant financial burden in addition to the social stigma of stripped rank in military circles."

https://www.texastribune.org/2...-house-navy-demoted/

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, this one is ripe:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...c1da5570ef5e960&ei=6

Texas Rep. Responds To Biden Cancer Diagnosis With A Conspiracy Theory
Story by Ryan Grenoble • 9h •
2 min read

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Ronnie Jackson....the Texas Rep who lies about being a retired Navy Admiral....douchebag.

"But Jackson is no longer a retired admiral. The Navy demoted him in July 2022 following a damaging Pentagon inspector general’s report that substantiated allegations about his inappropriate behavior as a White House physician, a previously unreported decision confirmed by a current defense official and a former U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel move.

Jackson is now a retired Navy captain, those people said — a demotion that carries significant financial burden in addition to the social stigma of stripped rank in military circles."

https://www.texastribune.org/2...-house-navy-demoted/

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, this one is ripe:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...c1da5570ef5e960&ei=6

Texas Rep. Responds To Biden Cancer Diagnosis With A Conspiracy Theory
Story by Ryan Grenoble • 9h •
2 min read

Well, maybe - but I hear he’s great at diagnosing and treating non-existent gunshot ear wounds! Kind of a specialist, apparently.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Ronnie Jackson....the Texas Rep who lies about being a retired Navy Admiral....douchebag.

"But Jackson is no longer a retired admiral. The Navy demoted him in July 2022 following a damaging Pentagon inspector general’s report that substantiated allegations about his inappropriate behavior as a White House physician, a previously unreported decision confirmed by a current defense official and a former U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel move.

Jackson is now a retired Navy captain, those people said — a demotion that carries significant financial burden in addition to the social stigma of stripped rank in military circles."

https://www.texastribune.org/2...-house-navy-demoted/

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, this one is ripe:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...c1da5570ef5e960&ei=6

Texas Rep. Responds To Biden Cancer Diagnosis With A Conspiracy Theory
Story by Ryan Grenoble • 9h •
2 min read

0 agree jackson did bad stuff and deserved reduction in rank
1 wow, the push back when I merely mentioned the truth that Walz did the same
2 he DID retire and admiral, and was then reduced in rank
3 Timmy was NEVER a command sergeant major, he was an acting csm, until he earned and finished the terms and conditions

Waltz was not demonstrates for misconduct. The misconduct is the damning and distinguishing fact.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Ronnie Jackson....the Texas Rep who lies about being a retired Navy Admiral....douchebag.

"But Jackson is no longer a retired admiral. The Navy demoted him in July 2022 following a damaging Pentagon inspector general’s report that substantiated allegations about his inappropriate behavior as a White House physician, a previously unreported decision confirmed by a current defense official and a former U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel move.

Jackson is now a retired Navy captain, those people said — a demotion that carries significant financial burden in addition to the social stigma of stripped rank in military circles."

https://www.texastribune.org/2...-house-navy-demoted/

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, this one is ripe:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...c1da5570ef5e960&ei=6

Texas Rep. Responds To Biden Cancer Diagnosis With A Conspiracy Theory
Story by Ryan Grenoble • 9h •
2 min read

0 agree jackson did bad stuff and deserved reduction in rank
1 wow, the push back when I merely mentioned the truth that Walz did the same
2 he DID retire and admiral, and was then reduced in rank
3 Timmy was NEVER a command sergeant major, he was an acting csm, until he earned and finished the terms and conditions

There's a big difference between retiring as a Navy Admiral and being a retired Navy Admiral. Apparently, he doesn't know that. He was busted all the way down to Captain, must have been pretty egregious misbehavior.

The reporting states he was reduced because he's a big drunk and apparently sexually harassed a number of female subordinates. In other words, a perfect complement to trumptards everywhere.

Thank goodness he wasn't sniffing children's heads.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Ronnie Jackson....the Texas Rep who lies about being a retired Navy Admiral....douchebag.

"But Jackson is no longer a retired admiral. The Navy demoted him in July 2022 following a damaging Pentagon inspector general’s report that substantiated allegations about his inappropriate behavior as a White House physician, a previously unreported decision confirmed by a current defense official and a former U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel move.

Jackson is now a retired Navy captain, those people said — a demotion that carries significant financial burden in addition to the social stigma of stripped rank in military circles."

https://www.texastribune.org/2...-house-navy-demoted/

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, this one is ripe:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...c1da5570ef5e960&ei=6

Texas Rep. Responds To Biden Cancer Diagnosis With A Conspiracy Theory
Story by Ryan Grenoble • 9h •
2 min read

0 agree jackson did bad stuff and deserved reduction in rank
1 wow, the push back when I merely mentioned the truth that Walz did the same
2 he DID retire and admiral, and was then reduced in rank
3 Timmy was NEVER a command sergeant major, he was an acting csm, until he earned and finished the terms and conditions

There's a big difference between retiring as a Navy Admiral and being a retired Navy Admiral. Apparently, he doesn't know that. He was busted all the way down to Captain, must have been pretty egregious misbehavior.

The reporting states he was reduced because he's a big drunk and apparently sexually harassed a number of female subordinates. In other words, a perfect complement to trumptards everywhere.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Ronnie Jackson....the Texas Rep who lies about being a retired Navy Admiral....douchebag.

"But Jackson is no longer a retired admiral. The Navy demoted him in July 2022 following a damaging Pentagon inspector general’s report that substantiated allegations about his inappropriate behavior as a White House physician, a previously unreported decision confirmed by a current defense official and a former U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel move.

Jackson is now a retired Navy captain, those people said — a demotion that carries significant financial burden in addition to the social stigma of stripped rank in military circles."

https://www.texastribune.org/2...-house-navy-demoted/

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Well, this one is ripe:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...c1da5570ef5e960&ei=6

Texas Rep. Responds To Biden Cancer Diagnosis With A Conspiracy Theory
Story by Ryan Grenoble • 9h •
2 min read

0 agree jackson did bad stuff and deserved reduction in rank
1 wow, the push back when I merely mentioned the truth that Walz did the same
2 he DID retire and admiral, and was then reduced in rank
3 Timmy was NEVER a command sergeant major, he was an acting csm, until he earned and finished the terms and conditions

There's a big difference between retiring as a Navy Admiral and being a retired Navy Admiral. Apparently, he doesn't know that. He was busted all the way down to Captain, must have been pretty egregious misbehavior.

The reporting states he was reduced because he's a big drunk and apparently sexually harassed a number of female subordinates. In other words, a perfect complement to trumptards everywhere.

Navy ranks
Lt commander
Commander
Captain
Admiral

One rank demotion. Apparently for being a 1 man pill mill.


I think you are confusing other branches officier grades
Don't let your emotions get ahead of your intellect

Admirals are like generals. A domination from rear admiral to captain would be one rank.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Admirals are like generals. A domination from rear admiral to captain would be one rank.

Yes and no. The 1 rank part is correct, see my explanation above for the Navy

As far asi know, no grade scale goes captain to general, as the service that use general have the following structure
Captain
Major
Lt colonel
Colonel
General

There are 1 step reduction in rank from general would be colonel, not captain

You are wrong. It does not go straight to Admiral from Captain. There are different ranks.

Caption then rear admiral lower. The next rank after rear admiral upper follows by vice admiral. Finally, we arrive at admiral.

A one rank demotion would be from rear admiral lower to caption. A demotion from admiral (4 stars) to captain would be 3 spots down.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/admiral

You are wrong.

https://www.defense.gov/resources/insignia/

There are different “admiral” ranks. A demotion from admiral to captain is not one rank. A demotion from rear admiral to cslti is a one rank demotion.

In addition, you need to stop trying to mitigate his fall with it was just a little punishment attempt.

Rear admiral is also a different lesser pay grade than admiral as you see from above. Now, pay grades do not necessarily correspond to ranks as the link explains. The example given is specialist and corporal. Corporal being the higher rank.

Turns out Biden hadn’t had a PSA done since 2014! That is simply ridiculous for a lot of reason. Apparently the “standard of care” now states you don’t need to check the PSA level after age 70. This case proves the foolishness of this standard, especially considering how cheap and effective this test is as a screening tool.

Hell, my country doctor does a PSA on me every year, even though I've had a prostatectomy. I turn 70 this year. PSA will still appear if the cancer starts up somewhere else. He said his experience is that this cancer will sneak up on you and bite you in the ass. IMHO the POTUS deserves the highest level of care possible considering their responsibiliities.

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:
Turns out Biden hadn’t had a PSA done since 2014! That is simply ridiculous for a lot of reason. Apparently the “standard of care” now states you don’t need to check the PSA level after age 70. This case proves the foolishness of this standard, especially considering how cheap and effective this test is as a screening tool.

I honestly believe that is because when a male reaches 70, it becomes kind of pointless. You are on your way out statically.

We had a family diagnosed w prostate cancer in his 70s. Doc said, “ You’re Something will kill before the cancer does.

Well, joke was on doc. He lived long enough for prostate cancer to kill him.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are wrong. It does not go straight to Admiral from Captain. There are different ranks.

Caption then rear admiral lower. The next rank after rear admiral upper follows by vice admiral. Finally, we arrive at admiral.

A one rank demotion would be from rear admiral lower to caption. A demotion from admiral (4 stars) to captain would be 3 spots down.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/admiral

You are wrong.

https://www.defense.gov/resources/insignia/

There are different “admiral” ranks. A demotion from admiral to captain is not one rank. A demotion from rear admiral to cslti is a one rank demotion.

In addition, you need to stop trying to mitigate his fall with it was just a little punishment attempt.

Rear admiral is also a different lesser pay grade than admiral as you see from above. Now, pay grades do not necessarily correspond to ranks as the link explains. The example given is specialist and corporal. Corporal being the higher rank.

Are you done with your temper tantrum?

Yes there are different grades of admiral and general. With different pay scales.

Read it as a progression Jr. The step after captain in the NAVY is admiral

The step after caption in a service that uses general is major


Mike was wrong in assuming admiral to captain ONE GRADE, by confusing it with the more well known general to captain, four grades

I take it there aren't many admiral or generals is small county Kentucky.. all generals and Admirals are referred to as admiral... brigader (1 star) and and rear lower admiral (eq of 1 star)


Go look up the O paygrades. How do I know? Mom worked for the corp of engineers for 35 years, I had rotc in high school and first 2 years of college

What's a "cslti"

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are wrong. It does not go straight to Admiral from Captain. There are different ranks.

Caption then rear admiral lower. The next rank after rear admiral upper follows by vice admiral. Finally, we arrive at admiral.

A one rank demotion would be from rear admiral lower to caption. A demotion from admiral (4 stars) to captain would be 3 spots down.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/admiral

You are wrong.

https://www.defense.gov/resources/insignia/

There are different “admiral” ranks. A demotion from admiral to captain is not one rank. A demotion from rear admiral to cslti is a one rank demotion.

In addition, you need to stop trying to mitigate his fall with it was just a little punishment attempt.

Rear admiral is also a different lesser pay grade than admiral as you see from above. Now, pay grades do not necessarily correspond to ranks as the link explains. The example given is specialist and corporal. Corporal being the higher rank.

Are you done with your temper tantrum?

Yes there are different grades of admiral and general. With different pay scales.

Read it as a progression Jr. The step after captain in the NAVY is admiral

The step after caption in a service that uses general is major


Mike was wrong in assuming admiral to captain ONE GRADE, by confusing it with the more well known general to captain, four grades

I take it there aren't many admiral or generals is small county Kentucky

Not a tantrum. Simple facts that you are incorrect with documentation.

The Texas State Rep is not just a low life. He was delisted due to malfeasance. Your attempt to minimize his fall is not becoming, but whatever.

A donation from admiral to captain one not be a one step demotion. I assume he was a rear admiral, and that would be a one step demotion.

In the army, yes one rank after captain is major. In the Navy one rank above caption is a rear admiral (lower). It is not admiral.

You were just incorrect. Tuck the chin, or don’t. The two branches are different and for their own reasons. The 0-7 for rear admiral lower equivalent in the army is brigadier general. Admiral is 4 star with its own insignia and pay rank 0-10. The point is a demotion from admiral to captain would not be one step down.

Yes, there are very few admirals. In civilian terms, it is like calling the an EVP of a department or division the CEO.

That is it.