Conservative?

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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus

21 March 2025, 20:51

Magine Enigam

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...fe8266a5bebb6d&ei=19

Trump Issues Firm Directive to Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts
Story by Gabe Whisnant • 16h • 3 min read

21 March 2025, 20:59

Magine Enigam

GOPer Jesus:
https://youtu.be/SZ2L-R8NgrA?si=siRCoyXh_h7HntkD

21 March 2025, 21:27

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Another point.

If you find yourself in opposition to the deportation of those gang thugs to El Salvador…you are likely NOT a conservative.

Donald Trump is not a traditional conservative, maybe not a conservative at all.
He checks a few boxes with the proverbial purple crayon, not with aforethought or lack of malice.
The whole point is that we are squabbling amongst ourselves while what is going on in the background?

21 March 2025, 21:43

M.Shy

Good question…if you put them in our prisons then you are putting American citizens while incarcerated in mortal danger dealing with those gang bangers
Any takes on this?

21 March 2025, 23:25

ledvm

They are not Americans. They got more due process than they deserved. A rifle ball is what they needed…along with those who facilitated their entrance.

Yes, a conservative would be for sending them to an El Salvadorian prison for pennies on the dollar. DJT

And yes those whining about it are enemies of the State.

21 March 2025, 23:56

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
They are not Americans. They got more due process than they deserved. A rifle ball is what they needed…along with those who facilitated their entrance.

Yes, a conservative would be for sending them to an El Salvadorian prison for pennies on the dollar. DJT

And yes those whining about it are enemies of the State.

Emotionally, I agree. However, our Constitution limits what our government is allowed to do.
It does not grant rights, it acknowledges them. When those limits are breached, it's wrong.

22 March 2025, 00:57

RolandtheHeadless

quote:
And yes those whining about it are enemies of the State.

Wow. You have really gone into an abyss. You've changed from the traditional conservative you used to be.

Declaring political dissidents "enemies of the state" like Putin does in Russia! You're both sad while also dangerous to our republic.

22 March 2025, 00:59

RolandtheHeadless

And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

22 March 2025, 03:52

M.Shy

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
They are not Americans. They got more due process than they deserved. A rifle ball is what they needed…along with those who facilitated their entrance.

Yes, a conservative would be for sending them to an El Salvadorian prison for pennies on the dollar. DJT

And yes those whining about it are enemies of the State.

The only right they “Gangsters” have here is to be alive, everything else is crime
Good for admin to send them away as they have no right to be here period

22 March 2025, 04:45

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

good old whiny jim -- always good for a laugh

i recall you said, in a group you seem to attach some prestige to, that you are the "conservative curmudgeon" -- baby jim, if YOU ever find yourself in a room where they think you are a "conservative curmudgeon", you need to leave that antifa cell IMMEDIATELY -- is "conservative curmudgeon" possible code for something else?

22 March 2025, 04:47

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
They are not Americans. They got more due process than they deserved. A rifle ball is what they needed…along with those who facilitated their entrance.

Yes, a conservative would be for sending them to an El Salvadorian prison for pennies on the dollar. DJT

And yes those whining about it are enemies of the State.

Nah, Lane, there's no need for violence -- if they are here illegally, and can't prove a right to be here, immediate deportation is ALREADY on the books ... deport em - oh, since DHS is 100% an executive branch function, and "plaintiff (with no standing)" isn't accusing of BREAKING EXISTING LAW, they have no standing-- none ..

amicus curi MAYBE

22 March 2025, 17:56

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
And yes those whining about it are enemies of the State.

Wow. You have really gone into an abyss. You've changed from the traditional conservative you used to be.

Declaring political dissidents "enemies of the state" like Putin does in Russia! You're both sad while also dangerous to our republic.

Have you watched the news lately about your fellow Democrats? If the shoe fits…wear it. The Democratic Party supports domestic terrorism.

22 March 2025, 18:01

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
They are not Americans. They got more due process than they deserved. A rifle ball is what they needed…along with those who facilitated their entrance.

Yes, a conservative would be for sending them to an El Salvadorian prison for pennies on the dollar. DJT

And yes those whining about it are enemies of the State.

Nah, Lane, there's no need for violence -- if they are here illegally, and can't prove a right to be here, immediate deportation is ALREADY on the books ... deport em - oh, since DHS is 100% an executive branch function, and "plaintiff (with no standing)" isn't accusing of BREAKING EXISTING LAW, they have no standing-- none ..

amicus curi MAYBE

You are just a nicer person than I. Some people (using the term loosely) deserve violence. I would personally volunteer to trip the lever on the gallows suspending Laken Riley’s murderer.

22 March 2025, 18:49

fulvio

quote:
However, our Constitution limits what our government is allowed to do.

Your Constitution which dates back to 1787 was drawn up in different times when there was no drug trafficking or organized crime and what crime there was got handled without too much fanfare as the Human Rights & Freedom of Speech brigades were unheard of.

Fast forward to 2025: You are really of the opinion that the American Constitution should stand as it is and not be reviewed and updated to reflect current times?

Just asking

22 March 2025, 19:07

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by fulvio:
quote:
However, our Constitution limits what our government is allowed to do.

Your Constitution which dates back to 1787 was drawn up in different times when there was no drug trafficking or organized crime and what crime there was got handled without too much fanfare as the Human Rights & Freedom of Speech brigades were unheard of.

Fast forward to 2025: You are really of the opinion that the American Constitution should stand as it is and not be reviewed and updated to reflect current times?

Just asking

I believe the Constitution should stand as it is until it is lawfully changed. You know....the rule of law, something the GOP stood for before Trump came along.

It is not something to be followed when convenient and ignored as you please.

22 March 2025, 20:44

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
I have noticed zero ill-effects to day-to-day life. Have you?

Yes.

Trust in family members and friends is ill-effected on a daily basis.

Perhaps it's reciprocal, but IMO Trump supporters can't be trusted. Wherever they are coming from and how they sort out right and wrong is so messed up the line can't be identified.

Of course they have always been that way, but Trump amplifies it.

It's just like old uncle Bob gets fixated on a cult, preaches it, lives it, and everyone else just doesn't get it. Bob has made himself untrustworthy because his reality is just in his head and no telling how deep the rabbit hole is.

How Trump has divided families:

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

22 March 2025, 21:02

Scott King

quote:
Originally posted by fulvio:
quote:
However, our Constitution limits what our government is allowed to do.

Your Constitution which dates back to 1787 was drawn up in different times when there was no drug trafficking or organized crime and what crime there was got handled without too much fanfare as the Human Rights & Freedom of Speech brigades were unheard of.

Fast forward to 2025: You are really of the opinion that the American Constitution should stand as it is and not be reviewed and updated to reflect current times?

Just asking

When asked as a father or man or citizen if we should change our habit, routine, custom, law, etc,......the fist answer should always be "no".

If later it can be demonstrated that the new friend or restaurant, duck pond, gun, car, school or law is some kind of positive or good, then maybe the answer should be changed to "yes".

So, Hey! Do you wanna start a new war?!?!?!?!
No.
Wanna just let illegal immigrants into the country?
No.
Wanna try a new narcotic?
No.
Wanna pass a new law, change the makeup of the SCOTUS, change the Constitution, change term limits or who is eligible for elected office?
No.

It seems to me that every time we run off half cocked, (especially a nation as big as ours,) it's a mistake, so the answer to everything should be "no" and then let the person with the new fangled idea change our mind.

23 March 2025, 02:09

ledvm

I don’t think there is anything unconstitutional about deporting criminals.

The President had the power to deport those TDA members just as did. Thank God we have a President to do it.

23 March 2025, 02:11

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by fulvio:
quote:
However, our Constitution limits what our government is allowed to do.

Your Constitution which dates back to 1787 was drawn up in different times when there was no drug trafficking or organized crime and what crime there was got handled without too much fanfare as the Human Rights & Freedom of Speech brigades were unheard of.

Fast forward to 2025: You are really of the opinion that the American Constitution should stand as it is and not be reviewed and updated to reflect current times?

Just asking

When asked as a father or man or citizen if we should change our habit, routine, custom, law, etc,......the fist answer should always be "no".

If later it can be demonstrated that the new friend or restaurant, duck pond, gun, car, school or law is some kind of positive or good, then maybe the answer should be changed to "yes".

So, Hey! Do you wanna start a new war?!?!?!?!
No.
Wanna just let illegal immigrants into the country?
No.
Wanna try a new narcotic?
No.
Wanna pass a new law, change the makeup of the SCOTUS, change the Constitution, change term limits or who is eligible for elected office?
No.

It seems to me that every time we run off half cocked, (especially a nation as big as ours,) it's a mistake, so the answer to everything should be "no" and then let the person with the new fangled idea change our mind.

Problem is Scott…we have been going against that trend since the 1960s.

23 March 2025, 02:18

wymple

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

good old whiny jim -- always good for a laugh

i recall you said, in a group you seem to attach some prestige to, that you are the "conservative curmudgeon" -- baby jim, if YOU ever find yourself in a room where they think you are a "conservative curmudgeon", you need to leave that antifa cell IMMEDIATELY -- is "conservative curmudgeon" possible code for something else?

Answer the damned question.

23 March 2025, 02:29

RolandtheHeadless

Lane won't answer that one, I guess.

23 March 2025, 03:41

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Lane won't answer that one, I guess.

oh, jimbo, you have so many questions stacked up to "answer to" let's just start with you saying there's FORTY days more growing season in alaska than in 1985 -- HHAHAHAHAHAHH

.. oh, but you have people on ignore? Perhaps Lane has decided not to be bothered by your petty snarky comments --

23 March 2025, 03:42

Scott King

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by fulvio:
quote:
However, our Constitution limits what our government is allowed to do.

Your Constitution which dates back to 1787 was drawn up in different times when there was no drug trafficking or organized crime and what crime there was got handled without too much fanfare as the Human Rights & Freedom of Speech brigades were unheard of.

Fast forward to 2025: You are really of the opinion that the American Constitution should stand as it is and not be reviewed and updated to reflect current times?

Just asking

When asked as a father or man or citizen if we should change our habit, routine, custom, law, etc,......the fist answer should always be "no".

If later it can be demonstrated that the new friend or restaurant, duck pond, gun, car, school or law is some kind of positive or good, then maybe the answer should be changed to "yes".

So, Hey! Do you wanna start a new war?!?!?!?!
No.
Wanna just let illegal immigrants into the country?
No.
Wanna try a new narcotic?
No.
Wanna pass a new law, change the makeup of the SCOTUS, change the Constitution, change term limits or who is eligible for elected office?
No.

It seems to me that every time we run off half cocked, (especially a nation as big as ours,) it's a mistake, so the answer to everything should be "no" and then let the person with the new fangled idea change our mind.

Problem is Scott…we have been going against that trend since the 1960s.

I've tried to learn as I go and I seem to have mostly gotten pretty good at saying no and using it as an operating mode.
Id hope that the rest of my fellow citizens might follow along in one way shape or form.

"No" is independent, a sole proprietorship , unilateral. One of the biggest hurdles for "no" is the juvenile refrain so often heard here, "but mommy, mommy, they dit it too!". It's said here weekly if not daily. "no" is a personal standard. "no" can be unique, maybe rebellious, certainly un popular.

We the People need to heed Nancy's advice and just say no.

No new departments, bureaus, offices, laws, czars, advisory committees.

No new wars, no new taxes, no new agendas or holidays.

Just say no.

23 March 2025, 16:13

ledvm

I am with you Scott…right after we say yes to getting rid of a bunch of stuff that the toddlers got us to say yes to…when we should have said no.

23 March 2025, 16:25

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

Groveling? Haven’t seen it.

In this shrinking globe…there is a power struggle though, for who will one day govern the one-world-nation. There will be a WWIII at some point. Strategically, I think he puts us in better position for that power play. China is not interested in co-governance.

23 March 2025, 17:54

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

Groveling? Haven’t seen it.

In this shrinking globe…there is a power struggle though, for who will one day govern the one-world-nation. There will be a WWIII at some point. Strategically, I think he puts us in better position for that power play. China is not interested in co-governance.

You have not seen it because your head is up Trump's ass. Witkoff sounds like the Russians gave him his talking points. It's disgusting and you are right there defending it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

Turning on our allies and embracing Putin is not a strategic improvement

23 March 2025, 18:06

Jefffive

quote:
Originally posted by fulvio:
quote:
However, our Constitution limits what our government is allowed to do.

Your Constitution which dates back to 1787 was drawn up in different times when there was no drug trafficking or organized crime and what crime there was got handled without too much fanfare as the Human Rights & Freedom of Speech brigades were unheard of.

Fast forward to 2025: You are really of the opinion that the American Constitution should stand as it is and not be reviewed and updated to reflect current times?

Just asking

The British East Indian Company was acting as a drug cartel when the Constitution was drafted, supported by the British Navy a few decades later; perhaps you've heard of the "Opium Wars"?

23 March 2025, 19:31

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

Groveling? Haven’t seen it.

In this shrinking globe…there is a power struggle though, for who will one day govern the one-world-nation. There will be a WWIII at some point. Strategically, I think he puts us in better position for that power play. China is not interested in co-governance.

You have not seen it because your head is up Trump's ass. Witkoff sounds like the Russians gave him his talking points. It's disgusting and you are right there defending it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

Turning on our allies and embracing Putin is not a strategic improvement

For the record…can you name an ally that we have turned on and describe in detail how we have hurt them?

23 March 2025, 19:40

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

Groveling? Haven’t seen it.

In this shrinking globe…there is a power struggle though, for who will one day govern the one-world-nation. There will be a WWIII at some point. Strategically, I think he puts us in better position for that power play. China is not interested in co-governance.

You have not seen it because your head is up Trump's ass. Witkoff sounds like the Russians gave him his talking points. It's disgusting and you are right there defending it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

Turning on our allies and embracing Putin is not a strategic improvement

For the record…can you name an ally that we have turned on and describe in detail how we have hurt them?

You could start with the Canadians and the trade war. Nato and undermining its effectiveness. All of the EU by justifying Russia's war in Ukraine. You have to wonder what the five eyes think as well as the Philippine's with whom we have a mutual defense pact.

But America stands strongly with Putin

You MAGAts make me sick to my stomach. Fucking traitors.

23 March 2025, 19:57

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

Groveling? Haven’t seen it.

In this shrinking globe…there is a power struggle though, for who will one day govern the one-world-nation. There will be a WWIII at some point. Strategically, I think he puts us in better position for that power play. China is not interested in co-governance.

So the US and Russia are going to co-govern the world? You truly do get nuttier by the day.

Let's focus on the issue at hand though. Do you perceive Russia or Ukraine to be the bigger threat to the US historically and prospectively? Do you seriously desire to see a peaceful resolution in the region that not only addresses the Ukraine situation but the broader Eastern European situation? If you believe Russia is the greater historical and prospective threat and you want a lasting regional peace, then why would go into discussions of a long-term solution by belittling and disempowering the non-aggressor country that had been your ally in the fight as well as your historic European allies? Groveling might not be the right term, but stupid sure fits.

23 March 2025, 20:08

450 Fuller

History is an excellent teacher, as those failing to observe it are condemned to repeat its errors.

A recent example was Benghazi, where a US Ambassador was lost along with two US Navy former SEALS
providing CIA safe house security.(An available reaction force in USAF fighters and the 10th Special Forces Gp ready reaction force ordered to stand down.)

Then there is the loss of US Marines in Afghanistan in an action reminiscent of Vietnam in 1975. As a former member of the 10th Special Forces Group, this would not have happened had I been the officer commanding. So-the Ammbassador and the SEALS would have been rescued, and I would have been relieved of command. A small price to pay for doing the correct task at the time.
H. Clinton and Obama are excellent examples of progressive leadership sans transparency, patriotism, honesty, and protection of our interests in foreign countries. A lost Ambassador
gives the US a black eye. That would not have happened under either Reagan or Trump.

Dr. Easter- LEDVM, I have Morgans and Arabians..you
can attend to my horses anytime you want.
Have ridden one into Mexico in the 1980s. The Mexican people are a noble group, and I am proud to speak Spanish there.

23 March 2025, 20:11

Steve Bertram

quote:
Originally posted by 450 Fuller:
History is an excellent teacher, as those failing to observe it are condemned to repeat its errors.

A recent example was Benghazi, where a US Ambassador was lost along with two US Navy former SEALS
providing CIA safe house security.(No available reaction force USAF fighters and the 10th Special Forces Gp ready reaction force ordered stand down.

Then there is the loss of US Marines in Afghanistan in an action reminiscent of Vietnam in 1975. As a former member of the 10th Special Forces Group, this would not have happened had I been the officer commanding. So-the Ammbassador and the SEALS would have been rescued, and I would have been relieved of command. A small price to pay for doing the correct task at the time.
H. Clinton and Obama are excellent examples of progressive leadership sans transparency, patriotism, honesty, and protection of our interests in foreign countries. A lost Ambassador
gives the US a black eye. That would not have happened under either Reagan or Trump.

Dr. LEDVM, I have Morgans and Arabians..you
can attend to my horses anytime you want.
Have ridden one into Mexico in the 1980s. The Mexican people are a noble group, and I am proud to speak Spanish there.

You know what really gives America a black eye?

The Felon in chief aligning himself with Putin. That black eye is being seen around the world.

23 March 2025, 20:18

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by 450 Fuller:
History is an excellent teacher, as those failing to observe it are condemned to repeat its errors.

A recent example was Benghazi, where a US Ambassador was lost along with two US Navy former SEALS
providing CIA safe house security.(An available reaction force in USAF fighters and the 10th Special Forces Gp ready reaction force ordered to stand down.)

Then there is the loss of US Marines in Afghanistan in an action reminiscent of Vietnam in 1975. As a former member of the 10th Special Forces Group, this would not have happened had I been the officer commanding. So-the Ammbassador and the SEALS would have been rescued, and I would have been relieved of command. A small price to pay for doing the correct task at the time.
H. Clinton and Obama are excellent examples of progressive leadership sans transparency, patriotism, honesty, and protection of our interests in foreign countries. A lost Ambassador
gives the US a black eye. That would not have happened under either Reagan or Trump.

Dr. Easter- LEDVM, I have Morgans and Arabians..you
can attend to my horses anytime you want.
Have ridden one into Mexico in the 1980s. The Mexican people are a noble group, and I am proud to speak Spanish there.

. . . and Reagan never would have turned on our allies nor would he have made the mistake of believing you can reason with someone like Putin. He knew Russia was a threat and did what he could to minimize that threat. Trump's actions with regard to Ukraine and Putin would nauseate Reagan.

24 March 2025, 04:12

medved

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by 450 Fuller:
History is an excellent teacher, as those failing to observe it are condemned to repeat its errors.

A recent example was Benghazi, where a US Ambassador was lost along with two US Navy former SEALS
providing CIA safe house security.(An available reaction force in USAF fighters and the 10th Special Forces Gp ready reaction force ordered to stand down.)

Then there is the loss of US Marines in Afghanistan in an action reminiscent of Vietnam in 1975. As a former member of the 10th Special Forces Group, this would not have happened had I been the officer commanding. So-the Ammbassador and the SEALS would have been rescued, and I would have been relieved of command. A small price to pay for doing the correct task at the time.
H. Clinton and Obama are excellent examples of progressive leadership sans transparency, patriotism, honesty, and protection of our interests in foreign countries. A lost Ambassador
gives the US a black eye. That would not have happened under either Reagan or Trump.

Dr. Easter- LEDVM, I have Morgans and Arabians..you
can attend to my horses anytime you want.
Have ridden one into Mexico in the 1980s. The Mexican people are a noble group, and I am proud to speak Spanish there.

. . . and Reagan never would have turned on our allies nor would he have made the mistake of believing you can reason with someone like Putin. He knew Russia was a threat and did what he could to minimize that threat. Trump's actions with regard to Ukraine and Putin would nauseate Reagan.

most trump and trumpets will never accepted to be compared to reagan: they are way better. of course we know they are not ...

24 March 2025, 06:40

crbutler

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
quote:
Originally posted by 450 Fuller:
History is an excellent teacher, as those failing to observe it are condemned to repeat its errors.

A recent example was Benghazi, where a US Ambassador was lost along with two US Navy former SEALS
providing CIA safe house security.(An available reaction force in USAF fighters and the 10th Special Forces Gp ready reaction force ordered to stand down.)

Then there is the loss of US Marines in Afghanistan in an action reminiscent of Vietnam in 1975. As a former member of the 10th Special Forces Group, this would not have happened had I been the officer commanding. So-the Ammbassador and the SEALS would have been rescued, and I would have been relieved of command. A small price to pay for doing the correct task at the time.
H. Clinton and Obama are excellent examples of progressive leadership sans transparency, patriotism, honesty, and protection of our interests in foreign countries. A lost Ambassador
gives the US a black eye. That would not have happened under either Reagan or Trump.

Dr. Easter- LEDVM, I have Morgans and Arabians..you
can attend to my horses anytime you want.
Have ridden one into Mexico in the 1980s. The Mexican people are a noble group, and I am proud to speak Spanish there.

. . . and Reagan never would have turned on our allies nor would he have made the mistake of believing you can reason with someone like Putin. He knew Russia was a threat and did what he could to minimize that threat. Trump's actions with regard to Ukraine and Putin would nauseate Reagan.

One little problem...

Regan was against the Soviets, not Russia.

Putin was a hard core soviet communist. I doubt he's changed his beliefs much at all.

Regan would have been all in on Ukrainian independence because it would reduce Soviet hegemony.

Regan was anticommunist more than anti Russia... because Russia didn't exist at the time.

I do agree that Trump's attempts to appease Putin would make Regan ill.

24 March 2025, 06:55

TomP

MAGAs think they are doing what Reagan would have, if he were not such a sissy about the Constitution.
But he raised taxes and offered amnesty for illegals.

24 March 2025, 14:56

ledvm

quote:
So the US and Russia are going to co-govern the world? You truly do get nuttier by the day

Only the obtuse could derive that from my post.

24 March 2025, 14:59

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
And speaking of Putin, Lane, what is your explanation for why Trump is always groveling to him?

What power does Putin have over Trump?

Groveling? Haven’t seen it.

In this shrinking globe…there is a power struggle though, for who will one day govern the one-world-nation. There will be a WWIII at some point. Strategically, I think he puts us in better position for that power play. China is not interested in co-governance.

You have not seen it because your head is up Trump's ass. Witkoff sounds like the Russians gave him his talking points. It's disgusting and you are right there defending it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

Turning on our allies and embracing Putin is not a strategic improvement

For the record…can you name an ally that we have turned on and describe in detail how we have hurt them?

You could start with the Canadians and the trade war. Nato and undermining its effectiveness. All of the EU by justifying Russia's war in Ukraine. You have to wonder what the five eyes think as well as the Philippine's with whom we have a mutual defense pact.

But America stands strongly with Putin

You MAGAts make me sick to my stomach. Fucking traitors.

Like I said: “ can you name an ally that we have turned on and describe in detail how we have hurt them?”