Air Force general predicts war with China in 2025

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A four-star Air Force general sent a memo on Friday to the officers he commands that predicts the U.S. will be at war with China in two years and tells them to get ready to prep by firing "a clip" at a target, and "aim for the head."

In the memo sent Friday and obtained by NBC News, Gen. Mike Minihan, head of Air Mobility Command, said, “I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me will fight in 2025.”

Where do they find these kook generals, like Flynn and this guy?

Actually, its not a bad thing to say in his place.

He states "I hope I am wrong."

His real point is that he thinks that his command will need to be better in order to prevail if we have a war. I find his statements that our next election will cause internal chaos and dissension to be highly probable. It would make sense for the PRC if they feel the need to invade Taiwan to do so at such a time.

It gives structure to his training goals, and also a sense of urgency (as in a timeframe.)

Having us prepared for such an eventuality is actually the best deterrence to having it start. If instead of spinning our wheels and standing down after Afghanistan (which is more a GOP issue than Democrat... the GOP was much more the driver of starting the war, how it was prosecuted, and our (lack of) exit strategy) we had avoided a lot of the involvement and built up our forces for a peer/near peer war, I really doubt we would have seen Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's saber rattling.

Yes, I think these folks see Biden as a weak reed that they can manipulate geopolitically, but our current strategic weakness can be laid at the feet of Bush Jr and Trump.

America has been at war with other countries non stop!

Does anyone remember when there was a time America was NOT involved in some conflict around the world?

Right now, basically World War III is simmering.

The West installed an idiot to rule the Ukraine.

Used him to start a war with Russia.

The military industry is reporting paying out 40% dividends!

I think that you might have a point in that the military-industrial complex is certainly happy to use the Ukraine situation to get more money...

But the Ukrainians elected Zelensky, not the west.

You want to blame someone, blame the Russians for treating their neighbors as dirt, and only fit to serve Russia by being speed bumps.

If I was Ukrainian patriot, I sure would look to anyone besides those guys. Hell, the Ukrainians thought the Nazis of all people were a lesser evil...

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Originally posted by Saeed:
America has been at war with other countries non stop!

Does anyone remember when there was a time America was NOT involved in some conflict around the world?

Right now, basically World War III is simmering.

The West installed an idiot to rule the Ukraine.

Used him to start a war with Russia.

The military industry is reporting paying out 40% dividends!

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Actually, its not a bad thing to say in his place.

He states "I hope I am wrong."

His real point is that he thinks that his command will need to be better in order to prevail if we have a war. I find his statements that our next election will cause internal chaos and dissension to be highly probable. It would make sense for the PRC if they feel the need to invade Taiwan to do so at such a time.

It gives structure to his training goals, and also a sense of urgency (as in a timeframe.)

Having us prepared for such an eventuality is actually the best deterrence to having it start. If instead of spinning our wheels and standing down after Afghanistan (which is more a GOP issue than Democrat... the GOP was much more the driver of starting the war, how it was prosecuted, and our (lack of) exit strategy) we had avoided a lot of the involvement and built up our forces for a peer/near peer war, I really doubt we would have seen Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's saber rattling.

Yes, I think these folks see Biden as a weak reed that they can manipulate geopolitically, but our current strategic weakness can be laid at the feet of Bush Jr and Trump.

I agree with an overwhelming majority of this. I agree Afghan withdrawal made President Biden appear, thus; be weak geopolitically. I disagree that image is permanent given the US lead of NATO handling of Ukraine Crisis (Illegal Russian Invasion).

I also agree with s life view of, “ Oray fir the best expect the worst. You will never be surprised.”

I wonder about the logic/reasoning to make these statements. Also, any civil unrest at elections can be laid at the feet of President Strunk and the Republican Party who mitigated and even endorsed those lies and violence. I do expect it to play out again. However, I find myself head shaking at a serious contender for GOP National Committee Chair taking about a national strategy to contest elections in the Courts in the personhood of Dhillon.

The true and sad fact is President Biden is seen as being a Life Time Achievement Award President who is on borrowed time, and feeble. The opponents to the US like Jinping do Ky have those issues. Jinping does have other problems.

The above observation will create heat with our more Left if me members. I understand that, but that is the impression I got talking to folks in England of President Biden from their pint of view. Let us be honest, President Biden has not commented the highest political sin as President Trump, but just like any of us at his age, waking up is an accomplishment.

I guess I think we need a POTUS that will make China understand and believe that a war with the USA will immediately be lost. I'm not sure I see the downside of destroying China.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

I agree with an overwhelming majority of this. I agree Afghan withdrawal made President Biden appear, thus; be weak geopolitically.

"Thus;"?

"Thus;"?

You and Biden reaaaaaaally need to be relegated to the dust bin of foreign entanglement failure history.

So War rattling with China is good, but drawing a line with Putin’s threats of nuclear war and aggression in Europe is not?

I agree destroy China if the cost benefit analysis works for your goals. Destroy them anyway if need be.

Is it a good idea to threaten them into action that makes us have ti destroy them?

Tell them where the line is, work ti stay off it. If the line is crossed by them, The die is cast, blood be on China’s hands and our graves as such has become necessary.

Entanglements, you are the one advocating for destroying China.

Anyone who thinks the withdrawal of Afghanistan was executed properly is in the minority.

As has been demonstrated many times, what we on the backs of Afghans created was not a failed state you claim.

In geo-politics, if you look weak, you are weak. Even Dems believe President Biden’s handling of the withdrawal was poor and made him weak in that moment.

And what Foreign Entanglement had President Biden got us in? The current crisis is the creation of one man, and one man alone being Putin.

Arguably, one could claim President Obama brought us to this day by not doing anything in Crimea.

Of course, we could take your position. Continue to ignore Russian Aggression until he dies start WWIII by attacking a NATIONAL alliance member like Poland.

Strictly, Biden has gotten us into a bunch more foreign entanglements. I personally don’t disagree with them, to me they are the legacy of WWI/WWII. Our disengagement and isolation resulted in worse wars.

The slippery slope is how far to go.

I don’t know that the US is actually leading the NATO response- spending the most, sure, but I think Poland is actually the intellectual leadership here. Biden couldn’t think his way past an ice cream cone.

Biden has gotten us in with Ukraine

He has gotten us in a situation where we will be expected to help in other invasions.

He flat out stated we will get involved with China invading Taiwan.

He’s gotten us in a pissing match with Iran sending naval assets everywhere.

There’s the issue with Mexico and corn imports

Then the whole southern border/illegal issue.

Scott is right that there are issues he’s created… but I’m not personally against all of them.

I don't see that happening, the US and China (and Europe) are too dependent on each other. China depends on the export, the US and Europe on the import from and export to China.
And that China has access to far more natural resoures (in China, Russia and Africa).
Add to that that both can hurt each other considerably. China has hypersonic missile which they can fire from anywhere in China and target anywhere in the US, and the US has no defense against those yet. They're not very precise, but that's not needed with nuclear heads.
I think this general is mainly lobbying for more funding, which shouldn't be necessary under the current circumstances, there are plenty of reasons to increase the defense budget.

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Originally posted by BushPeter:
I don't see that happening, the US and China (and Europe) are too dependent on each other. China depends on the export, the US and Europe on the import from and export to China.
And that China has access to far more natural resoures (in China, Russia and Africa).
Add to that that both can hurt each other considerably. China has hypersonic missile which they can fire from anywhere in China and target anywhere in the US, and the US has no defense against those yet. They're not very precise, but that's not needed with nuclear heads.
I think this general is mainly lobbying for more funding, which shouldn't be necessary under the current circumstances, there are plenty of reasons to increase the defense budget.

. . . a voice of reason in the wilderness.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Strictly, Biden has gotten us into a bunch more foreign entanglements. I personally don’t disagree with them, to me they are the legacy of WWI/WWII. Our disengagement and isolation resulted in worse wars.

The slippery slope is how far to go.

I don’t know that the US is actually leading the NATO response- spending the most, sure, but I think Poland is actually the intellectual leadership here. Biden couldn’t think his way past an ice cream cone.

Biden has gotten us in with Ukraine

He has gotten us in a situation where we will be expected to help in other invasions.

He flat out stated we will get involved with China invading Taiwan.

He’s gotten us in a pissing match with Iran sending naval assets everywhere.

There’s the issue with Mexico and corn imports

Then the whole southern border/illegal issue.

Scott is right that there are issues he’s created… but I’m not personally against all of them.

Russia has created the Ukraine crisis. Your observations are not false. Yet, we know that in the context of this discussion “Foreign Entanglements” mean war/military intervention. Yes, President Biden could have done as President Obama done with Crimea. The rest of the West would have followed. He did not. That was a correct action. I infer from all of King’s post on the issue, he would prefer US not have intervened in leading the West now in Crimea.

This creates incentive for more Russian aggression.

The border is more a domestic issue that all Presidents and Congress face.

Congress could tie the President’s hand tomorrow on the border if they would pass some legislation, and override a veto.

Your comments on President Biden and ice cream are your own observations. As soon with Germany, without US commitment the support fails.

I have stayed before, if Russia were to withdraw, recognize pre invasion territory, Ukraine does not join NATO, neutral defense pack with US for that neutrality if attacked by Russia, Russia gets Crimea, I would tell Ukraine take the deal or no more aid.

However, how far this goes is really not up to us. Putin has to be persuaded and agree to stop his agression. If he refuses peace, there can be no peace.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

Scott is right that there are issues he’s created… but I’m not personally against all of them.

I infer from all of King’s post on the issue, he would prefer US not have intervened in leading the West now in Crimea.

Nor am I and Heyms inference is correct. I believe we lead each and every time with gusto and I believe it has been demonstrated to be foolish.

Was it last week another round of Ukrainian rulers were ousted for corruption? How many American $billions did they walk out the door with?
And every time no matter what corner of the globe they're in, we're absolutely in a sweaty panic to give it to em.

Ive said several times that some measure of foreign involvement and diplomacy is appropriate, but rushing to be the first and the lead isn't appropriate. We are far to quick to say "yes!!!! " As with much of the rest of our governments ventures I firmly believe the first dozen answers to requests for services should be NO. Maybe yes later.

It's the chickenhawks here and other with no skin in the game that always blow the bugle to charge first and the loudest.

You would have preferred the US had not lead the West in blocking Putin in Ukraine as we took a do not care approach in Crimea.

Of course, Crimea got us here today.

Would you permit Russian aggression until he attacks a NATO ally and WWIII is triggered?

The US had committed no troops to Ukraine. Putin is blowing the bugle of Nuclear War.

To have cheered the bugle for the destruction of China in this thread.

No one seeing China's expanding military and territorial aggression would discount the possibility of a war with the US. It's naïve to think otherwise.

Grizz

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:
No one seeing China's expanding military and territorial aggression would discount the possibility of a war with the US. It's naïve to think otherwise.

Grizz

War is already happening, new cold war. Hope it doesn't go hot....with Biden and half of congress already on China's payroll I don't think it will go hot just yet.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:
No one seeing China's expanding military and territorial aggression would discount the possibility of a war with the US. It's naïve to think otherwise.

Grizz

War is already happening, new cold war. Hope it doesn't go hot....with Biden and half of congress already on China's payroll I don't think it will go hot just yet.

It doesn't look like Russia has been a hostile threat to the USA for decades. I say remain engaged, get the nukes, neutralize the threat.

Obviously China is different, they have the economy, they have the technology. From the word go draw a hard line, no negotiation; do not cross this line,......we don't give a fuck.

The drunk oligarchs may have some pickled bluster in them but I don't believe the Chinks do. Communist China understands and believes obliteration. Extermination.

Scott,
You are 100% correct.

The more I am reading now from experts speaking out since these airspace incursions…the more I worry. I think the General in the OP might be right.

When dealing with retards, midgets, drunks and other less than capable folks in conflict, I dunno, say Vlad,.... were I a cop, it seems reasonable to try to talk them out of it for a while, offer a peaceful solution, if needed let the K9 out of the patrol car or thump them a couple times with the night stick. Emptying two magazines into their torso at the outset seems overkill.

On the other hand, if faced with an intelligent and capable cold blooded mass murderer two magazines into their torso at first moment seems prudent. Saeed frequently asks why these perpetrators aren't summarily shot?

If china was hostile to the US, I think the only reason they'd negotiate or engage diplomatically is to stall to gain further offensive strength.

Here is an inescapable fact.

When countries become big, they become obnoxious!

Spain.
Portugal.
Great Britain.
And America for a while.

Now it is China’s turn!

I think the new influx of fentanyl is part of their plan as well.

I have never been able to understand any human with one iota of intelligence taking drugs!

It is totally beyond me.

Yep was ahving that conversation with a mate yesterday. Dont want to have to quit drugs, then dont start taking them to begin with. its pretty easy.

Purge all the old military stuff in Ukraine.
All that stuff has a shelf life.
Javelins are +20 yr old technology.
The military wants new tech.
Giving away the old stuff makes a easy case to spend on the new.. If the old stuff still works curious what new tech may bring forth.
AL..

Shot another “thing” down today.

And I see canada has shot one down too.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
And I see canada has shot one down too.

No, we shot down one over Canada at their request.

Ahh ok, Just saw the heading in our news that canada shot down an object.

with what?
they don't make sling shots that big.

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Originally posted by eezridr:
Purge all the old military stuff in Ukraine.
All that stuff has a shelf life.
Javelins are +20 yr old technology.
The military wants new tech.
Giving away the old stuff makes a easy case to spend on the new.. If the old stuff still works curious what new tech may bring forth.
AL..

Handing a blank check to the "military industrial complex" cuz we got rid of all the old stuff seems a bummer.

Handing all the old stuff to Ukraine cuz it's old also seems not so good. Who else will Ukraine hand it to? Afghanistan is 2000 miles from Ukraine. Ain't much of a drive. Right, the same baboons that touted Afghanis as virtuous freedom fighters are the same baboons that see the corrupt Ukrainian oligarch freedom fighters as virtuous.

My strong preference is that we take an extreme conservative and pessimistic view of who we hand out guns to.

The exception being small arms to sectarian islamists, where in this we should supply all sides brimming over and wish all great success.

I bet there wouldn't be so many wars if the military industry had no control over the stupid politicians.

Why did America blow the gas pipeline from Russia to Europe?

Why did America create the Gulf of Tonkin Incident?

Why did they tell Biden to leave billions of military equipment in Afghanistan?

Why is the military industry paying 40% dividends right now?

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Why is the military industry paying 40% dividends right now?

What stocks are these? I need to move some assets!

Imagine what global economic collapse that will occur with a full scale chino american war..

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Why is the military industry paying 40% dividends right now?

What stocks are these? I need to move some assets!

Saw this in a report a couple of weeks ago.

No idea which ones.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Why is the military industry paying 40% dividends right now?

What stocks are these? I need to move some assets!

Saw this in a report a couple of weeks ago.

No idea which ones.

Damn, that’s a shame. I could use a 40% return on investment…

There is a difference between 40% profit and paying 40% dividends.

I wouldn’t be surprised that they are making 40% profit margin… I’d be very surprised if the general investor sees much if it. Probably going to “bonuses” for the execs.

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Originally posted by Pondoro:
Imagine what global economic collapse that will occur with a full scale chino american war..

When I was growing up, wisdom said not to do a land war in Asia...