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I dontsee what you do 4WD. I thought those vids ME posted were reasonable and fair. | |||
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Shanks , It’s CNN the most biased network in major media. Do you know that senator? He is just another one of the most weaponized Woke senators switching to the Democratic Party from one of the top 3 liberal states in the USA. Have you ever been to the South Suburbs of Chicago? Probably not. During summer months there are around 100 shootings a month in South Chicago. Shanks are you a American? | |||
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Yes agree about CNN. But that should not automatically stop you listening and thinking yourself. Adam Kinzinger. from all I can see, Is Republicn, but Who voiced discontent at the path of the party. Kind of similar in some ways to Gabbard. His statement here is reasonable, that he's not worried about being victimised By Trump. The other guy is saying that the Republicans need to step up and sow they can govern fairly. Again not much wrong with that. No Im not American. Yes I was in Chicago a few weeks ago. Not for long But I got some idea from what I saw. I, as do much of my country, and the rest of the world, follow American politics reasonably closely, as it affects us. Not enough to know everything, But Id wager a damn sight more than you know about ours. | |||
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Shanks , No disrespect but visiting Chicago for a day or two versus growing up there and visiting frequently is a huge difference . Obviously you didn’t visit the war zone in South Chicago, white people do not go there, they are not welcome. So not sure why you would be giving political advice on a very specific and woke liberal part of the USA that you have spent one or two days in . Sounds like you stayed in one of the safer zones of the city. You are correct I know very little about specific political aspects of your country especially finite cities or towns. That is why I do not comment on NZ political forums. | |||
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Yep. But I did take a drive under the city and see the homeless 'Settlements, Saw a buit of the fentanyl affected, and saw the centre of the city around the Bean with security guards at every corner and getting bags checked and wand waved over me so that I could proceed. Im actually also not sure what Chicago specifically has to do with the comments made in the vids, other than being a sidetrack on why anything said should be discounted. And finally. Im not on an American forum talking American politics. Im on a fucking international forum run from the Emirates as far a s I know, where any member here can add their politics for any other member to comment on. If you bring your politics here, expect to get commentary. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shankspony: Yep. But I did take a drive under the city and see the homeless 'Settlement Im actually also not sure what Chicago specifically has to do with the comments made in the vids, other than being a sidetrack on why anything said should be discounted. Shanks, You still don’t get it. Kinzinger sold out to Soros and his woke ultra liberal democrats for the money and joined up with the Communist News Network CNN, he became one of the main drama queens for the Soros backed Obama woke democrats regarding the January 6th riots and as said , now is one of the faces of CNN. Anyone who gets their information and uses CNN as their media source or even worse as their source of income has no credibility . By the way the “Bean” is no where near the epicenter of the Chicago war zone. I may email you in the next week or two before I leave for Chicago for Thanksgiving so you can give me an update on Chicago’s current state of affairs . | |||
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Dude, you just asked if Id been there. I gave you a truthful answer that showed I saw at least a little of what you are alluding too. Tell me what Kinzinger said that was wrong or indeed so bad? He said he didn't think the alarmist who said he should fear trump were correct. And that they should stop. Are you telling me that he's wrong and that Trump is going to exact retribution? Bt all means email me when You go. I'll only recommend you visit East Garfield park. It will be fine. | |||
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Shanks Dude, he defected his party to make money off trying to be the man who was going to impeach trump for George Soros /Obama for the Jan 6 riots and his 30 minutes of fame. Do you believe Trump incited a insurrection? Then he went on to work as a political anchor for the Communist News Network CNN primarily to defame president Trump.Do you get your news and opinions from CNN? | |||
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What did he say that was wrong? Now how is he so different from Tulsi Gabbard? After all she quite the democrats and went to work for Fox News and Rupert Murdoch. I take it you think anything she says should be disregarded as well? You haven't being paying attention enough to know where I get my news from. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shankspony: What did he say that was wrong? Now how is he so different from Tulsi Gabbard? After all she quite the democrats and went to work for Fox News and Rupert Murdoch. I take it you think anything she says should be disregarded as well? You haven't being paying attention enough to know where I get my news from.[/QUOT SP I don’t know what your point is . I am totally against the woke liberal Soros/Obama democrats. What does Gabard have to do with Illinois senator Kinzinger going after Trump and working for CNN? And personally don’t really care where someone outside of the US gets their US political news media or what people outside of he US cares about our politics. I would think you got enough to worry about in your country with that anti gun lunatic running your country. | |||
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The anti gun lunatic got voted out long ago, and is now residing in your country at Harvard university... which is why a bit of international political knowledge is worthwhile. My point is re Gabbard, that if you wish to discount anything Kingzinger says because of the reasons you gave, then surely anything Gabbard, who's now in the Trump camp, says, should be equally disregarded. And as for not caring about where I get my news from.... It was you that asked, and why I didn't bother to tell you. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shankspony: My point is re Gabbard, that if you wish to discount anything Kingzinger says because of the reasons you gave, then surely anything Gabbard, who's now in the Trump camp, says, should be equally disregarded. SP I am not discounting anything about Kitzinger. Gabbard was never even mentioned so you can start a separate conversation if that’s where you want to go. Your comments makes no sense whatsoever. Apples to oranges. Gabbard has never attacked Trump and lead a agenda to impeach him . Gabbard is not supporting the woke Soros/Obama liberal Democratic agenda. Kitzinger comes from the woke ultra liberal state of Illinois with Chicago (a democratic sanctuary city) as the Illinois democratic power base. What’s our point? You never answered the question about Jan 6 being a riot or insurrection. That’s the point about Kitzinger, he’s the guy who is one of the main people who pushed and pushed to impeach Trump over Jan 6. | |||
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And that POS SHOULD have been convicted in his impeachment, he most certainly deserved it. The idea that Trump is a victim is utter  He incited Jan the 6th and should have been held accountable. Kitzinger was one of the few in the GOP who acted with honor, something you fail to recognize. You are delusional. | |||
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************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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That's the attitude of a badger. Good boy. I figure that a significant portion of MAGA voted for Trump mostly for the satisfaction of the "I am your warrior, I am your retribution" demagogue spanking the liberals. Now that's a fine example of patriotism.  Or is that just loyalty to an authoritarian idea? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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It's the brain worms in 4WD's head doing what little thinking there is. Trump is gonna overreach, no doubt about it. He already is, well before inauguration. He's pushing for senate to let him appoint cabinet without senate confirmation under a recess rule, and more. While there is little hope remaining of holding Trump accountable, it is possible that he could be impeached again after next mid-terms for shit he's about to do or try. He's so pissed off now and thinks he's immune I'm sure he won't be so careful with plausible denial. And evidence and documents falls through the cracks of coverup, or he forgets to flush down the toilets, or somehow lost in transit to Mar-a-Lago. Anyway, it's gonna be obvious, but based on happenings in the last few years and recently "obvious" is of little value, obviously. There are no honorable GOPers left in congress. But, if Trump is removed, there's Vance, which IMO is worse. In such case, obviously it will take a dem majority in both houses, and several fed-up repugs. The blessing is, if it happens, dems can basically shut down Vance until he's voted out. That's a path. Democrats had better get their act together. That path is assuming that Trump and GOPers don't achieve their main goal, which is to go full fascist and thus our votes won't matter anymore. Can they do it in two years? I think the odds are favorable. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Yep. JD Vance will be the 48th President. He is an ideal candidate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Yea, and yawl bitched about Harris being appointed (or whatever word used). Vance is anointed, (by the GOP establishment???) despite or perhaps because he once said Trump is America's Hitler. The dots that connect between his saying that to the VP just don't seem plausible to me. But there it is. I think some "intervention" happened. The oligarchs of the kleptocracy can recognize their "man" which they have groomed. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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 ME~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Vance will actually go through a Primary. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The thing is, there is a better than fair chance that Trump will not finish the term, in which case Vance will ascend to the presidency. He is somewhat better qualified than Kamala, but that's about all I can say so far. He is somewhat dishonest, on the surface, but what politician is not? His vice presidential pick, in the event that he does become president, is less meaningful because it will be a dead end job. Bill | |||
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Scenario: Suppose Trump doesn't finish his term, and Vance ascends. Does Vance get to choose his VP in such case? I don't remember the answer but I'm gonna look it up now. Quick search result: https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment25.html I haven't read it all yet. Here's another: https://www.factcheck.org/2008...-the-vice-president/ Interestingly, this is a quote from the above linked article: The Constitution specifies that if the president dies or leaves office before finishing his or her term, the vice president takes the job. The only "official ceremony" required by the Constitution is that any president must take the oath of office : U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1: Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:– "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." I'm wondering how Trump(ism) is going to reconcile that oath with Trump's claim he can suspend the constitution? Another quote from the article: 25th Amendment: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress. This amendment has been invoked twice. In 1973, Vice President Spiro Agnew stepped down and was convicted of corruption charges after pleading "no contest." President Richard Nixon then appointed House Republican Leader Gerald Ford as vice president. When Nixon resigned and Ford became president, Ford named former New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller as his vice president. Interestingly, both times it was invoked was a direct result of GOPer corruption. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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There is no reason to think Trump won’t finish his term. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Now we know Musk's role. He can produce an AI holographic image of Trump and replicate his voice. Imagine the potential of that!!!!! I think it's a fact that Musk could animate/substitute himself in an animated hologram, to look like Trump, speak like Trump. I think the technology is there or almost. Think about that. In effect there would be zero difference compared to what we have now, except "they" could control the messaging/spin/lies far better. Trump is a prototype. Orwell didn't foresee that. 1984 - 2024 --- 40 years. Most tools of dystopia are the same as always, but some might be very different. Of course, I expect to see as a rebuttal. My reply is  My point is that what seems impossible may indeed be possible. Trump has proven it. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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And you haven't told me why any of that makes anything he said incorrect? rather than just spouting off some conspiracy theory BS as a reason to disregard anything. | |||
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Enima, What a mouth piece. Don’t you ever get tired or bored of spewing  your WOKE vitriol. You must have had a very unhappy childhood or role model issues with your father. It’s hard for us middle of the road republicans to put a handle on your condition. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like you have the ability to recover. Anyone with as much hate and negativity that you have will surely develop medical implications/disease/body malfunction if you have not already.Anyhow in the meantime Enima , just carry on with your  Glad I could get inside your WOKE head 4WD  | |||
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…then you need professional help. | |||
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My exterminator, bug mice and ant pest control service guy, just got done treating the house and surround. I asked him if he could recommend anything for brain worms, asking for an acquaintance of course. He said the one sure way to get rid of them was to drink about a quart of Clorox as Trump suggested some time ago. But Trump didn't give the quantity. I think a quart ought to cure whatever ails 4WD plus the brain worms. If not, add a little kerosene in the second dose. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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..there's nothing to admire about this worthless piece of dog shit !! Perfect role model for the children..fucking morons.. | |||
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No, I give professional help. 4WD | |||
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Vance represents a conquest. Like the one who said no, until she said yes... TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...617e7cf3372603&ei=47 Trump Takes Aim at Republicans Story by David A. Graham • 50m • 5 min read https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...39baf9cdd46d3f&ei=63 Why Trump is trying to outrage Washington with his controversial Cabinet picks Story by Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN • 14h • 6 min read https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...39baf9cdd46d3f&ei=39 President-elect Trump seeks to upend Senate confirmation process ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam: [url=https://www.msn.com/en- f3372603&ei=47]https://www.msn.com/ [url=https://www.msn.com/ /www.msn.com/en-us Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN • 14h • 6 min read [url=https://www.msn.com/en- //www.msn.com/en- Enima, More unbiased and informative news from you and MSN , CNN AND CCP news networks. Have you not been informed your sources have lost all credibility? Your party has tried to control freedom of speech at a level as bad as communist China. You have been completely exposed and American’s have called your B.S. | |||
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************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...39baf9cdd46d3f&ei=63 Why Trump is trying to outrage Washington with his controversial Cabinet picks Here's an excerpt from the article: The latest selections for Trump’s MAGA dream team caused such a stir that they almost overshadowed the pick of Fox News anchor Pete Hegseth to serve as defense secretary on Tuesday night. But they are perfectly in tune with Trump’s campaign trail promises and political project. The dismay engulfing establishment elites contrasted with the euphoria rocketing through conservative networks and social media among Trump fans. The president-elect draws political strength from his position as an outsider scourge of the establishment, and if his picks are confirmed by the Senate — a huge if in the case of Gaetz — they will be tasked with his mission of defenestrating government and driving out those Trump sees as enemies. =================================================================== IMO, this is consistent with a strategy. There is no down-side, whether his picks are confirmed or not. This is a test to sort out those with the right amount of fealty or not. He wants the chaos, and uses it as a tool. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam [url=https://www.msn.com/en- ocid=so://www.msn.com/en-us/] Why Trump is trying to outrage Washington with his controversial Cabinet picks Enima More MSN woke media sponsored one sided content. Any strong American with any type of fortitude would fight back with a vengeance if they had been viciously attacked like Trump has been since 2016 by a weaponized justice lawfare department. Now the woke Soros/Obama/Biden democrats don’t want to play by the same rules they imposed upon Trump. Paybacks will be a bitch for the woke democrats that started this weaponization of the justice department. | |||
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************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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It will magnify his successes if he implements them with second-class tools, and provides an excuse when his efforts fail. Trump maybe means to show us how much smarter he is than the rest of us, who look at these nominations askance. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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