If you look for something to admire in Donald Trump…

10 November 2024, 04:28

Tumbleweed

You could accord the same attributes to Hitler and Mussolini. Tenacity and relentlessness are neither positive nor negative.

You could as easily praise his face makeup - it’s neither here nor there. He rallied and grifted and fleeced his cult members nonstop for four years, are those positives?

I guess that’s a matter of whether the man has you entranced or not. The most remarkable thing I can see about him is that he’s undoubtedly the most successful con artist of our time. When a convicted criminal who openly declares his intentions to abrogate the constitution can be elected head of state - that’s a masterful con!

10 November 2024, 04:42

ledvm

Those things are positives and any successful person knows it.

To the rest your post…I would roll my eye, call you a space cadet, nut, or just full of bullshit…but we are trying to heal so I won’t.

10 November 2024, 05:06

crbutler

I will admit I admire his tenacity.

I regret that is his biggest strength, but it certainly is his strength.

10 November 2024, 05:26

lavaca

Strength is a pretty important quality for a President to have. Maybe the most important.

10 November 2024, 07:04

M.Shy

Lane and Lavaca are right, Our President is one tough SOB and top of that he understands business inside out, which most politicians don’t know jack shit about except spending

10 November 2024, 07:29

ledvm

Not another living soul has more mental toughness and tenacity than this man. Not one other living soul could have lived his life the last 4 years and stayed focused to win the presidency. No one out works him. Not a perfect human being by any standard but definitely a man with executive skills and one I will take in a match against any other executive in the world. He also loves the same qualities of America as I love.

10 November 2024, 07:35

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by M.Shy:
Lane and Lavaca are right, Our President is one tough SOB and top of that he understands business inside out, which most politicians don’t know jack shit about except spending

He understands business alright. That’s why he managed to bankrupt so many. As for being a man of steel, I guess that’s why he was practicing masturbation techniques on a steel microphone. That should help him be ready to “handle” Putin too.

10 November 2024, 07:58

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
…admire his stamina, toughness, and tenacity.

They threw everything but the kitchen sink at the man.

Not another man alive that could have achieved what he did.

Truly a man of steel.

Who wouldn't if he had half the stupid population adoring him!

As I said earlier, the dims had absolutely the worse candidate against them.

But, the other half of the stupid American population supported a Bimbo just because of her gender and color.

Not a single redeeming factor!

10 November 2024, 08:17

tomahawker

Harris was polling "very well among illegal immigrant inmates who want sex change operations,"

Bill Maher

10 November 2024, 08:29

4WD

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Not another living soul has more mental toughness and tenacity than this man. Not one other living soul could have lived his life the last 4 years and stayed focused to win the presidency. No one out works him. Not a perfect human being by any standard but definitely a man with executive skills and one I will take in a match against any other executive in the world. He also loves the same qualities of America as I love.

Couldn’t agree with you more Lane

The group of woke liberal democrats who respond on here to anything that doesn’t fit their parties woke agendas get their panties in a wad immediately. The woke democrats who have been in power haven’t had the experience to ever run a business or responsible making a payroll from the Clintons, Obama, to Biden, now Harris. All the woke democrats know is
How to feed off the government tit. The Jeffyfives, Headass, Enima , MJines,and all the other woke Dems who are relentless insulting anyone who is not woke on here . Just reading their comments shows their lack of business acumen. The wokes on here don’t have a clue on the risks of business cycles in running a commercial real estate business at a mega scale. Real estate runs in cycles and anyone who plays as a subcontractor or vendor runs the same risks as the developer. These dumb ass democrat wokes responding on here just show more of their woke ignorance.

10 November 2024, 09:20

RolandtheHeadless

He's like dogshit on your shoe all right.

10 November 2024, 09:51

4WD

quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
He's like dogshit on your shoe all right.

He’s going to be dog shit on your shoe Rolandthedumbass and fortunately you will not be able to wipe it off, the smell is going to linger on your woke dumbass for at least four more years and you will never be able to remove it. The rest of us non wokes never had the problems you now have, we never stepped in the pile of dog shit your wokes left on the ground during and after your defeat

10 November 2024, 13:50

Saeed

Let us not jump to conclusions.

He well and truly fucked up last time.

That was why he lost to a geriatric nut!

The opposition offered fuck all so he got back in.

10 November 2024, 15:15

Steve Bertram

Trump is the same lying, cheating, philandering, fraud that he always has been. A total POS as a human. He does have tenacity but not much else, certainly no morals.

10 November 2024, 15:33

ledvm

quote:
He well and truly fucked up last time

Baloney.

10 November 2024, 15:35

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
He well and truly fucked up last time

Baloney.

I would believe you if you were not one of those worshippers of party politics

10 November 2024, 15:39

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
He well and truly fucked up last time

Baloney.

I would believe you if you were not one of those worshippers of party politics

And I might believe you if there was any merit in your claim — like naming something he f***ed up.

10 November 2024, 16:06

Steve Bertram

Foreign policy and our international alliances immediately comes to mind, the Doha accord, fawning over Putin, his buddy Kim, record budget deficits....on and on and on.

The worst POTUS of my lifetime. He was fairly elected this year, but a bigger failure is hard to fathom.

10 November 2024, 16:40

Saeed

Joe Biden 2021-present $28,428,918,570,048.60 $33,167,334,044,723.10 16.67% $4,738,415,474,674.50
Donald J. Trump 2017-2021 $20,244,900,016,053.50 $28,428,918,570,048.60 40.43% $8,184,018,553,995.10
Barack Obama 2009–2017 $11,909,829,003,511.70 $20,244,900,016,053.50 69.98% $8,335,071,012,541.80
George W. Bush 2001–2009 $5,807,463,412,200.06 $11,909,829,003,511.70 105.08% $6,102,365,591,311.64
William J. Clinton 1993–2001 $4,411,488,883,139.38 $5,807,463,412,200.06 31.64% $1,395,974,529,060.68
George H. W. Bush 1989–1993 $2,857,430,960,187.32 $4,411,488,883,139.38 54.39% $1,554,057,922,952.06
Ronald Reagan 1981–1989 $997,855,000,000.00 $2,857,430,960,187.32 186.36% $1,859,575,960,187.32
Jimmy Carter 1977–1981 $698,840,000,000.00 997,855,000,000.00 42.79% $299,015,000,000.00
Gerald Ford 1974–1977 $475,059,815,731.55 698,840,000,000.00 47.11% $223,780,184,268.45
Richard Nixon 1969–1974 $353,720,253,841.41 $475,059,815,731.55 34.30%

10 November 2024, 17:06

Bobster

One of the left's tactics is to place operatives in general media, social media and political discussion forums. Like tiny ministers of propaganda. This is comically apparent when they simultaneously bark out identical talking points on command. Our local talk radio station has two callers who obviously get their marching orders from the same source. Everyone has seen dozens of legacy media talking heads mouthing the same words. No different here and other forums I visit.

Our shooting club recently elected a new president who got the job because no knowlegeable, long time members wanted it. He was a noob to the shooting sports with big ideas. I went to the range a month ago and discovered the dumb bastard had disc harrowed the shooting range disturbing 50 years of lead dust and making the walk to the targets either a mudhole or a dust bowl depending on weather. He did this on his own, without consulting the other board members. Kinda like an executive order. I confronted him with this and he said he didn't like getting dew on his shoes from the grass and weeds. Now we are stuck with this crap until next spring until seeds can germinate. Every time the wind blows you are breathing contaminated dust instead of having it stabilized with roots.

Moral of the story is pay attention when you vote. Vote for people with appropriate experience. The Presidency of the United States is defined as the Chief Executive. It should be occupied with people having executive experience. None of the left wing candidates had any meaningful executive experience. They also professed bad ideas. We weren't voting for a pastor, rabbi, or social worker. I wasn't interviewing someone to date my daughter. Easy choice for me.

10 November 2024, 17:08

LHeym500

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
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Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
He well and truly fucked up last time

Baloney.

I would believe you if you were not one of those worshippers of party politics

And I might believe you if there was any merit in your claim — like naming something he f***ed up.

The peaceful transition of power.

10 November 2024, 18:00

Magine Enigam

quote:
Now we are stuck with this crap until next spring until seeds can germinate. Every time the wind blows you are breathing contaminated dust instead of having it stabilized with roots.

An analogy to that would be easy.

But first, plant a winter cover crop, like rye grass or fescue. There ought to be some grass or cover that grows in winter in SC. Ask a farmer, or ask a deer hunter about food plots.

But all you want to do is bitch.

Unlike the scenario with your newly elected shooting range president and his stupid and toxic trick, the toxicity of Trump(ism) can't be fixed with a little grass seed and fertilizer and will last for years. All the Trump shock troops, apologists, true believers, cult guppies, sycophants, loyalists are like a massive worm army eating the national roots.

And "appropriate experience" --- yea, Trump has appropriate experience alright. He is a contestant if not the greatest con artist of all time.

Does anyone know of a demagogue toxic narcissist who wasn't relentless?

*************
“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus

10 November 2024, 18:09

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
He well and truly fucked up last time

Baloney.

I would believe you if you were not one of those worshippers of party politics

And I might believe you if there was any merit in your claim — like naming something he f***ed up.

The peaceful transition of power.

Of course, this is expected of Trump, the relentless one, the mortal savior, the man who knows more about everything than anyone:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...17f9dc4e884e3&ei=139

"Consequences are severe": Trump's lack of ethics pledge delays transition process
Story by Griffin Eckstein • 16h • 2 min read

10 November 2024, 18:10

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Foreign policy and our international alliances immediately comes to mind,

Baloney, he strengthened NATO, Iran fears him, and Xi can’t bully him.

the Doha accord,

No, Biden f***ed up the implementation.

fawning over Putin, his buddy Kim,

In your mind

record budget deficits

Only because of COVID.

....on and on and on.

Next?

The worst POTUS of my lifetime. He was fairly elected this year, but a bigger failure is hard to fathom.

Have you done your meltdown video yet?

10 November 2024, 18:12

Bobster

Maggie, he's the club president and won't allow overseeding. Refuses to accept it is a problem. Kinda like the border huh? You can't accept that your side is a total suck fest.

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Now we are stuck with this crap until next spring until seeds can germinate. Every time the wind blows you are breathing contaminated dust instead of having it stabilized with roots.

An analogy to that would be easy.

But first, plant a winter cover crop, like rye grass or fescue. There ought to be some grass or cover that grows in winter in SC. Ask a farmer, or ask a deer hunter about food plots.

But all you want to do is bitch.

Unlike the scenario with your newly elected shooting range president and his stupid and toxic trick, the toxicity of Trump(ism) can't be fixed with a little grass seed and fertilizer and will last for years. All the Trump shock troops, apologists, true believers, cult guppies, sycophants, loyalists are like a massive worm army eating the national roots.

And "appropriate experience" --- yea, Trump has appropriate experience alright. He is a contestant if not the greatest con artist of all time.

Does anyone know of a demagogue toxic narcissist who wasn't relentless?

10 November 2024, 18:13

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
He well and truly fucked up last time

Baloney.

I would believe you if you were not one of those worshippers of party politics

And I might believe you if there was any merit in your claim — like naming something he f***ed up.

The peaceful transition of power.

It occurred. Had Pelosi beefed up security like any sane person…there wouldn’t have even been a riot of nuts.

10 November 2024, 18:15

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Bobster:
One of the left's tactics is to place operatives in general media, social media and political discussion forums. Like tiny ministers of propaganda. This is comically apparent when they simultaneously bark out identical talking points on command. Our local talk radio station has two callers who obviously get their marching orders from the same source. Everyone has seen dozens of legacy media talking heads mouthing the same words. No different here and other forums I visit.

Our shooting club recently elected a new president who got the job because no knowlegeable, long time members wanted it. He was a noob to the shooting sports with big ideas. I went to the range a month ago and discovered the dumb bastard had disc harrowed the shooting range disturbing 50 years of lead dust and making the walk to the targets either a mudhole or a dust bowl depending on weather. He did this on his own, without consulting the other board members. Kinda like an executive order. I confronted him with this and he said he didn't like getting dew on his shoes from the grass and weeds. Now we are stuck with this crap until next spring until seeds can germinate. Every time the wind blows you are breathing contaminated dust instead of having it stabilized with roots.

Moral of the story is pay attention when you vote. Vote for people with appropriate experience. The Presidency of the United States is defined as the Chief Executive. It should be occupied with people having executive experience. None of the left wing candidates had any meaningful executive experience. They also professed bad ideas. We weren't voting for a pastor, rabbi, or social worker. I wasn't interviewing someone to date my daughter. Easy choice for me.

Guaranteed Jefffive is the hired gun for ARPF.

10 November 2024, 18:20

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Bobster:
One of the left's tactics is to place operatives in general media, social media and political discussion forums. Like tiny ministers of propaganda. This is comically apparent when they simultaneously bark out identical talking points on command. Our local talk radio station has two callers who obviously get their marching orders from the same source. Everyone has seen dozens of legacy media talking heads mouthing the same words. No different here and other forums I visit.

Our shooting club recently elected a new president who got the job because no knowlegeable, long time members wanted it. He was a noob to the shooting sports with big ideas. I went to the range a month ago and discovered the dumb bastard had disc harrowed the shooting range disturbing 50 years of lead dust and making the walk to the targets either a mudhole or a dust bowl depending on weather. He did this on his own, without consulting the other board members. Kinda like an executive order. I confronted him with this and he said he didn't like getting dew on his shoes from the grass and weeds. Now we are stuck with this crap until next spring until seeds can germinate. Every time the wind blows you are breathing contaminated dust instead of having it stabilized with roots.

Moral of the story is pay attention when you vote. Vote for people with appropriate experience. The Presidency of the United States is defined as the Chief Executive. It should be occupied with people having executive experience. None of the left wing candidates had any meaningful executive experience. They also professed bad ideas. We weren't voting for a pastor, rabbi, or social worker. I wasn't interviewing someone to date my daughter. Easy choice for me.

Guaranteed Jefffive is the hired gun for ARPF.

Everything said above, can equally be a—lied to the GOP zombies!

Do you actually think Trump would have won if the dims had a half decent candidate??

10 November 2024, 18:32

ledvm

There is no such thing as a half-decent Democrat.

10 November 2024, 18:34

Bill Leeper

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
…admire his stamina, toughness, and tenacity.

They threw everything but the kitchen sink at the man.

Not another man alive that could have achieved what he did.

Truly a man of steel.

Tenacity, I can go along with. From whence that tenacity comes, is difficult to say. Could be a genuine sense of duty or it could be a sense of entitlement. The rest of this post is sycophantic fawning. Give your head a shake.
I'm glad Trump won. The alternative would have been a disaster. Nonetheless, he is no hero unless he proves himself to be such. Will he be able to rein in government spending? He didn't do a great job of it last time around (I know, covid, a weak excuse). Will he find a workable solution to the immigration issue? He says he will. I do believe he may be capable of ending the Russia/Ukraine conflict.
Will he be able to stop telling lies? Not a chance in the world! He may do OK but it's not certain. Regards, Bill.

10 November 2024, 18:40

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:

Not a perfect human being by any standard . . . .

+1, looking for common ground during this period of calls for unity.

10 November 2024, 18:44

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

Tenacity, I can go along with. From whence that tenacity comes, is difficult to say. Could be a genuine sense of duty or it could be a sense of entitlement. The rest of this post is sycophantic fawning. Give your head a shake. I'm glad Trump won. The alternative would have been a disaster. Nonetheless, he is no hero unless he proves himself to be such. Will he be able to rein in government spending? He didn't do a great job of it last time around (I know, covid, a weak excuse). Will he find a workable solution to the immigration issue? He says he will. I do believe he may be capable of ending the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Will he be able to stop telling lies? Not a chance in the world! He may do OK but it's not certain. Regards, Bill.

We hope for the best but with tempered realism based on past performance. Should be an interesting next two years. The GOP controls the process. If they are serious about addressing vexing issues like deficit spending, immigration, infrastructure, healthcare, etc., now is their moment in the sun. If not, they own it.

10 November 2024, 18:45

ledvm

10 November 2024, 18:52

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
…admire his stamina, toughness, and tenacity.

They threw everything but the kitchen sink at the man.

Not another man alive that could have achieved what he did.

Truly a man of steel.

IMO "Admire" is a very bad word relating to Trump. It's like admiration, perhaps worship. There's no way for me. Recognize is a more appropriate word for me.

It could have been different. Garland fucked up. He is just too nice and too cautious and didn't recognize the threat level. He overestimated the power of the rule of law and underestimated Trump. No, "they" didn't throw "everything". The actions that were taken were all too little and too late or too slow.

Trump clearly outmaneuvered "them" and practically everything in the Founder's trajectory of the nation. In the context of demagogue, the attributes you mentioned are outstanding; stamina, toughness (or at least the pretense or act), tenacity, man of steel. He did a good job with his act in reality TV with all that, before he got cancelled. IOW, he's the perfect demagogue. They always project an alt-reality and Trump is a master.

As far as "Not another man alive that could have achieved what he did."

The reality is that no one could have achieved what he did without lots of help. The degree of help he got is astounding, and it's not just his followers; the "swamp", establishment, the machine machinations, the plotting and planning, the media such as Fox and Newsmax and Bannon, etc. Then add to that people like Flynn and many preachers talking God's will. It all was no conspiracy theory. Instead, it was a massive conspiracy to transform the nation into something it has never been and unhealthy. To call it patriotic is blaspheme.

It's gonna require a big nasty swamp and lots of snapping turtles, water moccasins, and gators to administer a fascist regime.

The evidence suggests that not only was Trump elected because of his demagoguery, but his supporters wanted whatever he has to offer, and most importantly they are not duped - they know exactly what they are getting. He said so in advance. Also, importantly, Trump supporters just want him to succeed in what he and all the GOP organizations behind him have planned for many years, including the Heritage Foundation and GOPers in congress and all the Christian groups who want to settle the Church and State separation argument forever. In supporting Trump, the evidence is clear that it doesn't matter how he succeeds, it's the End or outcome that matters.

And this is just the beginning. There's a lot more where that came from. I think it's impossible for Trump to have been elected because of ignorance. He was elected due to something far more sinister than ignorance.

The MAGA movement has morphed.

The new GOPer motto:

Assimilate - resistance is futile:

https://youtu.be/rtEaR1JU-ps?si=nW0pC7XAxGJ9cJh6

10 November 2024, 19:39

ledvm

quote:
Garland fucked up.

At least you got one sentence correct.

To all the rest.

space

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He is just too nice

He sent the FBI to raid places at gun point in the middle of the night that were zero threat.

Garland is a loser.

10 November 2024, 19:45

Magine Enigam

You see, the lies will never cease. There is a vast amount of already lies to parrot and embellish. But that vastness is exceeded by the untapped resource of new and creative lies.

It's a mind-set, a worldview, a curse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...lassified%20material.

On August 8, 2022, at 8:39 am,[131][132] FBI agents searched Trump's residence at Mar-a-Lago for the material specified in a warrant, including classified material. The material pertained to special access programs according to The New York Times[62] and – according to The Washington Post – nuclear weapons.[16][133][59][134] The FBI notified the Secret Service of the search a few hours in advance. The Secret Service facilitated the FBI's access to Mar-a-Lago,[53][57] but did not participate in the search.[53]

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I read that the agents wore polo shirts for a more non-threatening appearance. And Trump wasn't there.

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You might as well have said Biden instead of Garland sent them. A lie is a lie.

Federal magistrate judge Bruce Reinhart of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida approved the warrant on August 5, 2022.[126][127] Reinhart, who had previously been a federal prosecutor for a decade, was misidentified by some sources as being a Trump appointee, but the position in fact is one filled by the courts themselves.[126]

Reviewing and approving search warrants is a typical duty of federal magistrate judges.[126] Legal experts noted that, given the high profile of the operation, the application for a search warrant (granted on probable cause) would have been first scrupulously scrutinized by federal authorities.[128][129] Will Hurd, a former CIA agent and former Texas Republican congressman, said: "Trump and his lawyers admitted to and then handed over presidential documents improperly taken from and stored outside the White House. Of course the FBI had probable cause to go in looking for more".[130]