But the most grievous error you make is claiming that character is way less important than policy. Kind of a “rational, pragmatic man” and a “scientific thinker” approach that you try to drape around your skinny shoulders.

Hitler, Stalin Idi Amin, Poi Pot and many others should have taught you that lesson. And you are a Christian?

“Character matters; leadership descends from character.

Rush Limbaugh

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Originally posted by MJines:
“Character matters; leadership descends from character.

Rush Limbaugh

So says a drug addict!

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
You lot are like a man waiting for execution!

Would you rather pick a firing squad or the gallows!

Oh, I keep forgetting ‘

You are a FREE people!

You live in a country where people that criticize the regime are detained and imprisoned in some cases. You can't freely assemble without government permission. You're subject to arrest and imprisonment for political protest or labor organization.

The idea that you criticize our country for it's supposed lack of freedom is laughable.

Hit a raw nerve here I see!


Please explain to me why do you have such a knack of picking utter idiots to rule you then!

Please explain to me how anybody could ever live under a system of government where you don't get to pick your own leaders? Or where you run the risk of being arrested and detained if you criticize your monarch or system of government? Or where if you engage in political protest, you can be arrested and detained. Or if you try to organize some sort of labor movement, you can be arrested and detained?

It's not close. You only accept it because you are wealthy and free from any of the aforementioned dangers. Ruling elite.

As I have stated many times before, democracy is almost certainly the worst form of government....except for all the others.

I can see it. I can see "rule" for a lot of folks. Safety with The King. Security and continuity under The Queen. Rome grew under an emperor, when, "the sun never set on The British Empire" some folks had it pretty good.

China chooses to live under the authoritarian Communist government and Japan still has an Emperor. There's a whole lotta Asia that considers itself Enlightened and thinks the USA is a bit nutty. The Vietnamese people date back to 2000BC and don't vote, not ever and I gather don't want to. And there's 82 million of em living there. Seems like 82 million folks could root for democracy or representative government if they valued it.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Sorry, Lane, but you’re still crawfishing.

Fact, early on, you defended Trump when aspersions were made. “Show me one lie” is a great example. The clear implication you were trying to make by that question was that he wasn’t a liar. When even you could no longer deny the man’s lack of character, then it was all “policy.”

Nobody said that you called him a saint.

Trump speaks in hyperbole and stretches the truth to fit his narrative as all politicians do.

The point I was trying to make back then were two:
1) most of the lie count thing was hyperbole. “I’ve done that a million times.” These kind of things. I read the articles listing them. All politicians would have a high lie count if held to the same standard. Same for indictments…he has been held to a different standard.

2) As has been spoken about recently, all of his so-called factual lies had truths within and the lie part was debatable. My initial point with your quoted question was to spark debate on “the lies.” And, none of y’all could ever do that. No one ever really wanted to debate a lie. Y’all just wanted to scream LIAR — like the pussy-hat wearing protesters.

All ancient history (for politics) now. Even though leading…I don’t see him as the GOP nominee.

President Trump is a lier who betrayed you w the Big Lie and Jan 6 by refusing to defend you Government, your Constitution, and your Election.

Oh, President Trump was always a lier.

For some of us, the costs of his lies became too harmful, too damning to support.

You hate others so much, you will ride with this devil.

Make no mistake the more the GOP engages in MAGA/Christian Nationalism the more Dems will win elections.

I never have met a politician that did not lie, as well as,
quite seriously doubting anyone else has either.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Sorry, Lane, but you’re still crawfishing.

Fact, early on, you defended Trump when aspersions were made. “Show me one lie” is a great example. The clear implication you were trying to make by that question was that he wasn’t a liar. When even you could no longer deny the man’s lack of character, then it was all “policy.”

Nobody said that you called him a saint.

Trump speaks in hyperbole and stretches the truth to fit his narrative as all politicians do.

The point I was trying to make back then were two:
1) most of the lie count thing was hyperbole. “I’ve done that a million times.” These kind of things. I read the articles listing them. All politicians would have a high lie count if held to the same standard. Same for indictments…he has been held to a different standard.

2) As has been spoken about recently, all of his so-called factual lies had truths within and the lie part was debatable. My initial point with your quoted question was to spark debate on “the lies.” And, none of y’all could ever do that. No one ever really wanted to debate a lie. Y’all just wanted to scream LIAR — like the pussy-hat wearing protesters.

All ancient history (for politics) now. Even though leading…I don’t see him as the GOP nominee.

Massive rationalization so you can ease your own mind about voting for a psychotic, narcissistic liar who attempted to overturn the result of a general election and who fomented a riot at the US Capital on J6.

Interesting method of argument in the article. There’s not much analysis of what makes the statements false, it seems, just conclusions. Is it a lie if your platform includes “I will do xyz” but the later-elected executive unsuccessfully butts his head against an entrenched legislative branch? Or a war breaks out or a pandemic ensues or Russia invades Ukraine. What about the sources of statistical analysis (reduction of deficit or new jobs ‘created”). The reliability of sources used by the politician can create a lie in the critics mind if the critic has a different set of assumptions. Was the politician misinformed or lied to by manipulating bureaucrats. Is the politician just stupid or is he/she evil?

Politicians do lie. They modify the truth to pander to the populace using a willing media which has lost all objectivity.

Blame the politicians.
Blame the media.
Most importantly, blame the consumers of the lies who read, uncritically, articles like the above cited and don’t do so critically.

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
I never have met a politician that did not lie, as well as,
quite seriously doubting anyone else has either.

I never thought I would see an outgoing President refuse as Commander in Chief refuse to defend our Government, our Constitution, and our Election from violence designed to keep him in power. Never thought I would see a President muse about hanging his VP for failing to illegally overthrow the election.

Never did I think I would see people defend such actions.