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I believe this is the best course of action.

https://apple.news/AF4WJZkTlQayAW3X5VdhFwQ
 
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About time we, as a country stop electing fools and demented old men.
Maybe it's time we elected a woman, despite what Saeed thinks, but new blood. We dont need old crones like Hillary or Pelosi, but someone who has not been in DC, or even politics, their whole life.
 
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The White house ...... aren't enough hazmat suits for this mess: Sen. Kennedy
 
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I'm surprised that GOPers aren't whacking out over this perfect look-over-there narrative.

Maybe it's because they know it's a nothing burger. Smiler

It's certainly no defense for Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...47a4bfde1adcce94287e

Legal experts: New special counsel makes it 'much easier' and 'more likely' to indict Donald Trump
Story by David Badash, The New Civil Rights Movem

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...47a4bfde1adcce94287e

‘Let Me Unconfuse You’: Karine Jean-Pierre Hits Back at CNN Reporter Over Classified Docs Question
Story by Michael Luciano • Yesterday 4:52 PM


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Since the Trump scandal was under Garland’s watch to investigate, why not have an independent counsel do Trump as well?

As I recall, that was proposed.
 
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Independent Counsel is investigating President Trump’s handling of classified documents.
 
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Ahh, Kabob is going with the Ga congressman. The papers might have been planted. rotflmo
 
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Independent Counsel is investigating President Trump’s handling of classified documents.


Then why was Garland personally involved in the warrants?
 
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The warrants to recover the documents from Trump were issued before special counsel was appointed to investigate.
 
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Ok.

If they are getting treated the same.

That’s all that matters.
 
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Ahh, Kabob is going with the Ga congressman. The papers might have been planted. rotflmo


And Guam may flip over too......same!e congressman.... animal

Same type of IQ as old kabooby/mangina!
 
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Ahh, Kabob is going with the Ga congressman. The papers might have been planted. rotflmo


And Guam may flip over too......same!e congressman.... animal

Same type of IQ as old kabooby/mangina!


But not as low an IQ as yours, it seems.
 
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By now, SURELY, we can all see that this has been going on for a long time with little oversight or care. It had become precedent. I don’t condone it but it had become precedent nonetheless.

It only became a big deal when the establishment decided it wanted to crucify Trump.

And in true liberal establishment style, they overplayed their hand.

Worse, just like with the Russia Collusion Hoax, all you wishy-washy conservative-lite types played right into the narrative.


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Do Americans even FART without a bloody lawyer being involved??

Can’t these useless politicians do something useful for a change?

Oh, I forgot.

It is DEMOCRACY! rotflmo


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By now, SURELY, we can all see that this has been going on for a long time with little oversight or care. It had become precedent. I don’t condone it but it had become precedent nonetheless.

It only became a big deal when the establishment decided it wanted to crucify Trump.

And in true liberal establishment style, they overplayed their hand.

Worse, just like with the Russia Collusion Hoax, all you wishy-washy conservative-lite types played right into the narrative.


Except with trump it's pretty evident that it was willful and intentional on his part. Can it be proven the same for other cases? We'll see in the Joe case and let the chips fall where they may.


Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
 
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Keep on digging..... Goofy joe didn't mean to take the documents and leave them laying around.....it just sorta happened.... It wasn't will full its all just a mistake Roll Eyes

What am apologist.
 
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Drum roll please
Hilary Clinton is about to show up and announce her running for President after there kick creepy Joe out ! All part of the slimy Democrats master plan .
 
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If you want to try out a lady for president. Try Tulsi Gabbard. She seems inclined to call out bullshit on both sides. Bring in Jocko Willink as Secretary of defence Smiler

After Trump and Biden, what have you got to loose!
 
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I hope everyone's happy now that his house was thoroughly searched.


Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
 
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I doubt Biden is happy. DOJ found even more.
The drip,drip is the worst part for him.
 
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I hope everyone's happy now that his house was thoroughly searched.


Yeah......well... They found even more animal

I guess they are gonna have to search everywhere the old crook has ever been.....


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Where was the SWAT team!? Did they do it at 3AM!?

Of course NOT…cause none that shit was EVER necessary. Of course we all knew Garland was only seeking revenge.

Oh…BTW…they found classified docs going back to Senate years!!!

I don’t condone it…but it was the precedent for eons! Trump was persecuted by the f’ing liberal bureaucracy.

Guaranteed that if they searched 0bama’s home…there would be some there as well.


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Yes, is it true? I have heard there are more items found?

WTF? nilly


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Yes, is it true? I have heard there are more items found?

WTF? nilly



https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/21...documents/index.html
 
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Where was the SWAT team!? Did they do it at 3AM!?

Of course NOT…cause none that shit was EVER necessary. Of course we all knew Garland was only seeking revenge.

Oh…BTW…they found classified docs going back to Senate years!!!

I don’t condone it…but it was the precedent for eons! Trump was persecuted by the f’ing liberal bureaucracy.

Guaranteed that if they searched 0bama’s home…there would be some there as well.


Why are you not chastising trump for not turning documents over when he was asked more than once [including a subpoena] to do so? That's why the FBI did what they did in order to recover them. Even if it was somewhat politically motivated he is a FUCKING IDIOT for providing them with the opportunity. And don't kid yourself, he'd do the exact same thing if given the opportunity.


Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
 
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Where was the SWAT team!? Did they do it at 3AM!?

Of course NOT…cause none that shit was EVER necessary. Of course we all knew Garland was only seeking revenge.

Oh…BTW…they found classified docs going back to Senate years!!!

I don’t condone it…but it was the precedent for eons! Trump was persecuted by the f’ing liberal bureaucracy.

Guaranteed that if they searched 0bama’s home…there would be some there as well.


Why are you not chastising trump for not turning documents over when he was asked more than once [including a subpoena] to do so?

I don’t condone it. But taking and having them was the precedent — see current Biden saga.

That's why the FBI did what they did in order to recover them.

The “drama” was all for show and revenge…TOTALLY unnecessary. Negotiations were ongoing and it is STILL unclear if Trump actually broke the law. ALL of them have do it.

Even if it was somewhat politically motivated he is a FUCKING IDIOT for providing them with the opportunity.

So by your definition Biden is an idiot and if truth be known 0bama, Bushes, and Clintons.

And don't kid yourself, he'd do the exact same thing if given the opportunity.

He went after nobody while POTUS that I recall — you!?


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Where was the SWAT team!? Did they do it at 3AM!?

Of course NOT…cause none that shit was EVER necessary. Of course we all knew Garland was only seeking revenge.

Oh…BTW…they found classified docs going back to Senate years!!!

I don’t condone it…but it was the precedent for eons! Trump was persecuted by the f’ing liberal bureaucracy.

Guaranteed that if they searched 0bama’s home…there would be some there as well.


Why are you not chastising trump for not turning documents over when he was asked more than once [including a subpoena] to do so? That's why the FBI did what they did in order to recover them. Even if it was somewhat politically motivated he is a FUCKING IDIOT for providing them with the opportunity. And don't kid yourself, he'd do the exact same thing if given the opportunity.


Keep on apologizing for your beloved friggen democrats.....

Trump was known to have them, asked to secure them, did so, was legally contesting the subpoena....then the democrats beloved democrat ass lick Merik, the wonder boy, had to have his high publicity raid.... And then guess what???? Your poster boy crook/idiot/grifter goofy joe was shown to have done even worse and you and your filthy ilk are trying to whitewash it......

You, cat, pymple, kensco.....you're all pathetic
, own it!!!

We know ot, you know it..... Just admit it.
 
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Where was the SWAT team!? Did they do it at 3AM!?

Of course NOT…cause none that shit was EVER necessary. Of course we all knew Garland was only seeking revenge.

Oh…BTW…they found classified docs going back to Senate years!!!

I don’t condone it…but it was the precedent for eons! Trump was persecuted by the f’ing liberal bureaucracy.

Guaranteed that if they searched 0bama’s home…there would be some there as well.


Why are you not chastising trump for not turning documents over when he was asked more than once [including a subpoena] to do so?

I don’t condone it. But taking and having them was the precedent — see current Biden saga.

That's why the FBI did what they did in order to recover them.

The “drama” was all for show and revenge…TOTALLY unnecessary. Negotiations were ongoing and it is STILL unclear if Trump actually broke the law. ALL of them have do it.

Even if it was somewhat politically motivated he is a FUCKING IDIOT for providing them with the opportunity.

So by your definition Biden is an idiot and if truth be known 0bama, Bushes, and Clintons.

And don't kid yourself, he'd do the exact same thing if given the opportunity.

He went after nobody while POTUS that I recall — you!?


Excellent rebuttal Doc.....old antelope boy has already been laughed of other gun/hunting forums for his da!med liberal views... He fits in well here with all the anti American morons here!
 
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Here are the facts that the Faction cannot get around;

President Biden’s team has reported and surrendered documents.

President Trump refused to return documents, answered falsely on a Subpoena, and left the AG no alternative to obtain the docs then a search warrant.

President Biden’s handling may violate
the Fed Act that still requires gross negligence. Special Counsel’s decision will be guided by the law. Of course, the Faction does not care. They will scream the process cannot be trusted bc it conforms to the bare Govt is evil blah, blah, blah.

President Trump refused to surrender the docs, he then did not seek a protective order against the subpoena, he did not respond at least with due diligence to the subpoena, what was the AG supposed to do with out secrets docs at a glorified golf course of a person with no special privilege (Court’s words) to keep them.

Ask, “Pretty Please.”

If President Biden had done the same. My response would be the same use the Search Warrant.
 
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Here are the facts that the Faction cannot get around;

President Biden’s team has reported and surrendered documents.

President Trump refused to return documents, answered falsely on a Subpoena, and left the AG no alternative to obtain the docs then a search warrant.

President Biden’s handling may violate
the Fed Act that still requires gross negligence. Special Counsel’s decision will be guided by the law. Of course, the Faction does not care. They will scream the process cannot be trusted bc it conforms to the bare Govt is evil blah, blah, blah.

President Trump refused to surrender the docs, he then did not seek a protective order against the subpoena, he did not respond at least with due diligence to the subpoena, what was the AG supposed to do with out secrets docs at a glorified golf course of a person with no special privilege (Court’s words) to keep them.

Ask, “Pretty Please.”

If President Biden had done the same. My response would be the same use the Search Warrant.


Yet another Biden apologists.....being President means you get to decide what's classified and what's not.....being a senator or Vp....not so much.....

Typical lawyer......manbun/wokester type...

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If he violated the Statute through gross negligence he will be charged.

Being President Trump does not mean you get to declassify documents just by thinking it, like President Trump claimed. There is a process. Until that process is complete they are classified.

Either way, he does not get to keep them. Neither does President Biden.

Try again.
 
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If he violated the Statute through gross negligence he will be charged.

Being President Trump does not mean you get to declassify documents just by thinking it, like President Trump claimed. There is a process. Until that process is complete they are classified.

Either way, he does not get to keep them. Neither does President Biden.

Try again.


Explain that "process".....

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Where was the SWAT team!? Did they do it at 3AM!?

Of course NOT…cause none that shit was EVER necessary. Of course we all knew Garland was only seeking revenge.

Oh…BTW…they found classified docs going back to Senate years!!!

I don’t condone it…but it was the precedent for eons! Trump was persecuted by the f’ing liberal bureaucracy.

Guaranteed that if they searched 0bama’s home…there would be some there as well.


Why are you not chastising trump for not turning documents over when he was asked more than once [including a subpoena] to do so?

I don’t condone it. But taking and having them was the precedent — see current Biden saga.

That's why the FBI did what they did in order to recover them.

The “drama” was all for show and revenge…TOTALLY unnecessary. Negotiations were ongoing and it is STILL unclear if Trump actually broke the law. ALL of them have do it.

Even if it was somewhat politically motivated he is a FUCKING IDIOT for providing them with the opportunity.

So by your definition Biden is an idiot and if truth be known 0bama, Bushes, and Clintons.

And don't kid yourself, he'd do the exact same thing if given the opportunity.

He went after nobody while POTUS that I recall — you!?


The simple explanation is PROBABLY that when staff was packing his documents for departure from office that they didn't examine each and every one. So the stuff got packed up and eventually ended up at the Penn biden Center where it sat unmolested for nearly 6 years. He didn't know that the docs were there and neither did anyone else. Hardly a precedent for precedence IMO. The facts as we know them don't seem to support anything more complicated than that.

He had ample time to turn them over. There's NO WAY that they were his, classified or not. Didn't that dufus actually show a classified document to a high ranking Russian official?

Your evidence that Bush, Obama, and the Clintons stole government docs is?

He may not have used the FBI specifically to go after anyone, but Michael Cohen might argue differently. He certainly used other ways and people to "get even" with those that he thought wronged him. google trump revenge or payback.

He's made it plain that his main reason for running is payback to his enemies. Hell of a platform, eh?

And again I'm no Biden supporter. He is NOT my guy in the same sense that trump is your guy. Should there be a rematch I have no intention of supporting either one.

If we are ever able to find out the nature of the classified documents it could be a different story.


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Blah blah blah.

One thing for sure…Biden adds credence to my claim: The precedent was that it was no big deal. They all did it. Garland used his power to take revenge on Trump. The drama was for show — pathetic what our government has become.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Whoa, boy. Another conspiracy theory.

What's your evidence for those wild assertions, Lane? Listening to too much rightwing media again?
 
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Blah blah blah.

One thing for sure…Biden adds credence to my claim: The precedent was that it was no big deal. They all did it. Garland used his power to take revenge on Trump. The drama was for show — pathetic what our government has become.


Yep!!!

And boy oh boy.....did goofy Joe screw that up!
 
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If he violated the Statute through gross negligence he will be charged.

Being President Trump does not mean you get to declassify documents just by thinking it, like President Trump claimed. There is a process. Until that process is complete they are classified.

Either way, he does not get to keep them. Neither does President Biden.

Try again.


Explain that "process".....

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Nothing??????

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President Biden’s mishandling is being treated as serious by the pews, both Parties in Congress, and by the Department of Justice as shown by the appointment of the Special Counsel.

If President Biden’s conduct defies the Federal Act, he should and would be subject to first scrutiny by Congress (Impeachment) and second criminal (prosecution).

The case law and facts of this case will dictate the Special Counsel’s decision.

If President Obama had kept records he was not entitled to, the National Archives would have got him busted just like the NA got

Gen. Petreaus,
President Trump,
And now President Biden.

To believe otherwise takes more faith, and to ignore the facts.

These people explain the process for declassification. As always the ignorance is dying. Everything in government and the law has a process a procedure.

https://www.brennancenter.org/...d-mar-lago-documents

https://www.archives.gov/about.../appendix/12958.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...ified-documents.html

https://crsreports.congress.go...oduct/pdf/IF/IF12183 More from the Feds on the process.

Start looking stuff up for yourselves.

I have spoon feed you actual knowledge. Primary source case law yiu have refused to read. So, I should not expect you to look anything up yourself.
 
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I don't believe the national archives busted Biden...... And of they did.....how come it took six years?
 
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JTEX, your partisanship is so blatant you're a joke.

It doesn't let you see the difference between negligence and intentional conduct.
 
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