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Don't forget that Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. After Afghanistan we attacked Iraq; I think we missed the enemy by one map square. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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God Bless those killed on 9/11. May those who perpetrated 9/11 be forever tortured in hell. Jeff, I have to agree GWB totally f***ed up the retaliation of 9-11-2001. I do have a question though for you or anyone. Was Saudi Arabia complicit in 9/11 or did it just spawn some the men who orchestrated it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That's going to be a very difficult answer to ever nail down definitively, since everybody with the power to do so did everything possible to block every attempt at investigation, for some reason. My personal opinion is that Saudi Intelligence knew, and they aren't known for keeping things from their masters. Maybe only those Saudi royals who had "accidents" in the months afterward were involved, or maybe those were the ones with questionable reliability. What I think happened is that the operation was green-lit at very high levels in the Saudi structure, but when it succeeded far beyond anybody's wildest expectations (the Towers coming down would not even have been part of the dream during planning) folks ran for cover. The operation in Afghanistan should have ended at Tora Bora; instead of hiring warlords to secure the back door we should have made the entire complex an enduring warning for generations to come by nuking the place shut forever with a dozen or 15 tactical weapons. With that glowing in the background we should have given Saudi Arabia 48 hours to turn over everybody within their borders with any complicity. If they failed to comply we can always use another overseas territory. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Thank you. Can’t say I disagree with any of that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Of course, for shits and giggles, it would have been hilarious to gather the invasion force on Saudis northern border for the invasion of Iraq and ordered "About Face!" and driven to Riyadh with the whole shitaree... "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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The Saudis OWN you! Kushner is getting richer by the minute right now because of Saudi money! Remember Trump bowing to His Majesty the King?  | |||
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See, more nonsense that could have been avoided by annexing the whole place. Looks to me like that $2 billion was just Kushner's commission for giving MBS the financial intelligence on who had money stashed outside the Kingdom, how much and where. His little round-up of royals when he held them hostage in luxury hotels seems to have netted him just over $100 billion, so Jared's 2% was a bargain. Then there was the blockade of Qatar and their decision to bail out his failing 666 Park Avenue building after which the blockade ended. Weren't ya'll in on that? "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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They are going after Hunter. Kushner is a great white shark compared to Hunter as a sardine! | |||
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I don't doubt that Hunter Biden used the family name to get deals, which is very shocking because nobody in history had ever done that before. I am very confident that Joe Biden never had any involvement in Hunter's deals. Jared Kushner is a grifter. He was raised by a grifter and taught to grift from childhood. I have no doubt he took full advantage of the security clearance Trump forced through but he's just enough smarter than Trump that rather than keeping stuff that would be "cool" to show around Mar-A-Lago in hard copies he would have kept untraceable digital copies of material with transactional value, like detailed analysis of Iran's military (worth large money to Iran's potential adversaries) or unannounced resource discoveries located by U.S. Government satellite capabilities. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Here's Alan Jackson singing about that day. I always get a lump in my throat when I hear it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6rMcVNQbw | |||
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Our generation’s date that will live in infamy. My parents (still with us) were alive for both 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. My dad feels Pearl Harbor was by far more significant. My mom, given my sister worked just blocks away from the Twin Towers feels 9/11 is and was a bigger deal. I have friends who lived through it (worked in the WTC) and those who died there. I agreed with the military response. I don’t agree with use of nuclear weapons there. Can’t say that I understand how we let the Saudis off publicly without any real recrimination, but I suspect they really cracked down and extrajudicially punished a lot of folks to get us to leave them out. Iraq deserved intervention in my mind, but I also acknowledge that the reason it happened there as opposed to other places was Bush’s personal choice. The attack has changed a lot of things, and not for the better in this country. It’s been used as rationale for massive erosions of civil liberties by government throughout the west, at the US’ behest. I’d like to think we Will remember the lost, but get rid of some of the overreactions. But I will not hold my breath on that. | |||
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Lots of us (foreigners) told you Iraq was a bloody stupid move. Very few of those here agreed, the only response was the stereotypical French coward jokes. Never forget  | |||
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It's been 22 years and the mastermind of 9-11 has yet to be tried much less convicted. That's fucked up. https://www.yahoo.com/news/gua...rmind-090053925.html ""WASHINGTON − A full two decades after their capture, the U.S. military commission “Trial of the Century” against the five accused leaders of the 9/11 attacks appeared finally back on track earlier this year. Then came another delay in pre-trial hearings this past July. And in August, a bombshell: The Department of Defense disclosed that prosecutors in its Office of Military Commissions are considering a plea deal to spare the lives of self-admitted plot mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four alleged accomplices in exchange for admissions of guilt in the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people 22 years ago today."" Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ef0e1483c7a4ff&ei=20 Dick Cheney Labels Donald Trump Bigger Threat Than Osama Bin Laden Story by Aurora DeStefano • 2h Cheney, who was Vice President on September 11, 2001 when the United States was attacked by terrorists guided by Osama Bin Laden, and who subsequently helped launch an invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein, says that the dangers posed by those two men — and scores of America’s other historical enemies — pale in comparison to the dangers presently posed by Donald Trump. As seen in the video below, Cheney says without equivocation: “In our nation's 246-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump.” ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I remember the FREEDOM FRIES!  | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Lane, Where have we ever been successful at nation building? In a tribal culture that had zero interest in western style representative Government? We were never going to win the peace in Iraq, that much should be obvious to anyone paying attention during 8 plus years we were there. An incredibly poor decision on Shrub's part, possibly the single biggest foreign policy failure since Vietnam. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I supported intervention into Iraq. However, we left Iraq bc the new Government basically told us to. The states goal and long term desire of that goal failed. All we did was destabilize the region. This is hindsight. However, in the future we should limit military action to those engaged in activity violence toward US and US strategic interest when dealing w the Middle East. Afghanistan was not a failed state. I have provided facts to that affect. However, it demonstrates that in the Middle East no such government nor culture can survive without US Service members and infrastructure in place. We should have just broke the Taliban and Bin Laden. Then we should have left, and warned them to make us come back would be worse. As to 9/11 itself, I do not have words. To attempt a verbal expression, would be pitifully lacking. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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