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We’re doing away with the Dept of Ed. Cool


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We’re doing away with the Dept of Ed. Cool


Yeah, ignorance being the defining characteristic of the Republican Party getting rid of as much education as possible is good Party-building.


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We’re doing away with the Dept of Ed. Cool


Are you trolling, or do you now believe the DOEd should be eliminated?
 
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We’re doing away with the Dept of Ed. Cool


Are you trolling, or do you now believe the DOEd should be eliminated?


Kids of parents who aren't wealthy don't need an education since they'll be working in the fields and on roofs to replace everybody who got deported. They've already weakened child labor laws in some MAGA States, they'll be gunning for Federal laws next.

Of course, the pretty ones can always get out of the fields by marrying a Republican man once they turn 14.


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We’re doing away with the Dept of Ed. Cool


Are you trolling, or do you now believe the DOEd should be eliminated?


The US Gvt Dept of Ed, as it stands now, is an impediment to quality education.

Thus, it should either be improved or gotten rid of.

The bureaucracy of the US Gvt is almost unfixable in its current form.

So I am OK with getting rid of it and returning the duty to the states.


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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But don't worry, she has the key qualification for a Trump Cabinet position:

A sex scandal involving minors.


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jeffi, you just showed your the ignorant one.
You have never met with the school supervisory unions have you?
Rural areas have different needs, that doesnt matter to the Dept of Ed. It's one size fits all. Money is spent on programs and issues that city schools might need, we dont. Money spent to meet those regs, means money doesnt go to programs it needs.
It should have a major overhaul at the least. How many of your kids went through the school system?
 
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Well, I have met School Union leaders, and am in a rural school district.

The dismantling of the Dept of ED is stupid.

Unless you want to allow public dining for schools to detach from public schools through things like vouchers.

President Regan pushed back on this.

Tell us what does Linda McMahon possesses in education or work experience to head the Department of Education?

I do not consider running successful wrestling promotion so qualifying.

This Cabinet nominees is doing exactly what we said Trump would do which is stacking important positions not based on meet but personal loyalty. This, allowing Trump inappropriate control over our civil service.

We had these debates in the early 20th Century. Sadly, most forgot the lessons.
 
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Well, I have met School Union leaders, and am in a rural school district.

The dismantling of the Dept of ED is stupid.

Only in the eyes of a baby liberal.

Unless you want to allow public dining for schools to detach from public schools through things like vouchers.

President Regan pushed back on this.


I work with a very rural school board weekly. I am educated through the public school and hold several college degrees. I taught at a University. I employ a lot of just out of school young people. And, my mother is a lifelong school teacher/school librarian and past representative in the Texas State Teachers Association.

My opinion is that the current US Dept of Ed is an impediment to our kids getting as good of an education as it is possible for them to get.

I would be fine if it was gotten rid of. No child would be worse off. Improvement would be made in the majority of districts.

At the very least it needs major overhaul. The swamp resists overhaul. Thus, maybe just getting rid is the way to go.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Again, Heym. How many kids have you put through the rural school system? Asked why money is spent on un-needed issues instead of where a real need exists. Mandated by the feds, as the teachers on up through the supervisory union, shake their heads and throw up their hands.
I dont think it needs to be dissolved, but a serious revamp would help.
What do your kids think of the rural school system?
 
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Are you suggesting people who pay school taxes but do not have children should not have an opinion on how our public education dollars are spent? Taxation without representation? Didn't we fight and win a war over that very issue?
 
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Fascinating how different our schools are.

My daughters schools, from kindergarten to before college, had an open policy where a parent can walk into the classroom, unannounced, and watch the lessons.

I used to go and give lectures to the older students on how our schools were in the past.

Parents are always involved in the school works!

We have a varied number of animals in our house, and school kids used to come on education visits.

Some kids expressed interest in looking after some animals.

So my wife set up a small zoo at the school.

We gave them small animals like hedgehogs, turtles and tortoises, iguanas and birds.

The kids were extremely happy, they organized turns on who looks after them every week.


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You love to put words in peoples mouths dont you steve?
Did I say that anywhere? How about taking it like it was said. If you dont have kids coming home everyday telling what went on, you could have a different outlook on school systems. If you dont meet regularly with school boards to get all the info to understand the situation, your outlook may vary.
But, continue being an asshole for the fun of it steve, it seems to be your thing nowdays.
 
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We’re doing away with the Dept of Ed. Cool


We, kemosabe? Y'all, maybe. I don't see the benefit.
Our experience is not real recent, but we do have a 27-year-old in the household with multiple associates degrees.

The system has worked well enough that Elon Musk can recruit a team to get a 400-foot rocket in the air.
It's worked well enough to get AI to a point where we're talking about its potential dangers.
Eliminating it seems like an ham-handed goal, as opposed to alterations.


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You love to put words in peoples mouths dont you steve?
Did I say that anywhere? How about taking it like it was said. If you dont have kids coming home everyday telling what went on, you could have a different outlook on school systems. If you dont meet regularly with school boards to get all the info to understand the situation, your outlook may vary.
But, continue being an asshole for the fun of it steve, it seems to be your thing nowdays.


I framed my response as a question, not a statement.

Learn to read what was written, not what you FEEL was written Big Grin

For a guy who has no feelings, you sure seem sensitive sometimes Big Grin
 
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If that was the case, you would have left it with your first sentence.
It's easy to figure out someone who wants to twist what is said, just to be a dickhead.
 
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If that was the case, you would have left it with your first sentence.
It's easy to figure out someone who wants to twist what is said, just to be a dickhead.


Same can be said for someone who reads what they want to read instead of what was written.
 
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right back at you
 
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right back at you


Does this mean that you have now leaned the difference between a statement and a question?

Note, the above is a question.
 
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have you?
 
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have you?


Long ago. I was not the one struggling with the concept. Here is a hint for you, "?" generally follows a question and "." typically indicates a statement.

The above is a statement, not a question.
 
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The founding fathers would not recognize the bloated obese behemoth the federal government has become.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
 
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The founding fathers would not recognize the bloated obese behemoth the federal government has become.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"


Possibly because the USA was not the world's largest economy or military in 1776.

Can you point to one country that is in the top ten of either category and also has a "small" government?

I'm not saying the Federal government does not have excess waste, just that it often comes with the territory.
 
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The founding fathers would not recognize the bloated obese behemoth the federal government has become.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"


They wouldn't recognize AR15s or 100 mph cars either. An airplane would seem like witchcraft and a computer would be inconceivable.

There are almost as many people wearing American military uniforms as there were Americans in 1776.

The entire U.S. GDP in 1790 was less than either candidate spent in the recent election. Just the Senate race in Texas almost equaled the 1790 GDP.


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you also stated I was a trumper. I asked for proof. still waiting.
 
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Appreciate the measured response Steve. And no Jeff they would not recognize a computer. However, as the designers, engineers, writers, administrators of our federal government, which they very carefully crafted, they would have an insight we can scarcely imagine. That fledgling government they created from revolution against THE world power directly enabled us to become this world power.
 
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Appreciate the measured response Steve. And no Jeff they would not recognize a computer. However, as the designers, engineers, writers, administrators of our federal government, which they very carefully crafted, they would have an insight we can scarcely imagine. That fledgling government they created from revolution against THE world power directly enabled us to become this world power.


After the Constitution was amended 17 more times.


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The “ Founders ” who won the debate were Federalist.

If the Const were meant to be a line by line delectation of the federal government, it would have been hundreds of pages long. Some constitutions are.

Part of the reason ours was not is the “Founders” recognized we had a body of case law that made up the structural backbone that we inherited from an Anglo-English law.

The British Constitution is entirely this body of case law, legislative and executive action.

Originally, the Supreme Court was clear we had no national caselaw.

This is because fed courts setting over disputes were bound by a state’s jurisprudence. When a fed court hears a state dispute based on diversity this is still required. However, we have now, for better, eliminated the notion a citizen of the United States federal rights do not extend to state actors. Despite some attempts to remove that protection of rights selectively.
 
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The founding fathers would not recognize the bloated obese behemoth the federal government has become.



I would imagine they would be rather upset at the current administration and utterly appalled at the leader of the next one.

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism." G Washington
 
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Education in the US does need a major overhaul.

That we have federal, state, and local education governing bodies with massively overlapping responsibilities and the ability to pass responsibility continually is a problem.

The shifting of items that are not really educational to the school system is a major problem. Essentially having the schools act as daycare is not education.

I don’t really see how sports are education, either.

The idea that english as a second language classes exist is good. Mandating that we teach the nonlanguage classes in “native language” is not.

Saeed has a point. AFAIC, anyone who pays school taxes or has a child in that school should be allowed to see what is going on and observe classes. It doesn’t need to be in person, but that would be better than remotely as you could see how the class environment is going.

Too many kids are failed by the schools. IMO, if you have a high school diploma, that should mean you read at a 12th grade level, can do basic algebra, trigonometry, and simple math without a calculator.

A basic understanding of geography, civics, scientific method, biology, chemistry, and physics.

I would also think some basic items like CPR and first aid, an introduction to agriculture, home economics, and industrial arts would be good.

While I think the humanities are good, I would remove them as requirements as they end up getting divisive. I would say that some sort of electives should be there, but testing on them would be problematic.

How do we get there? It seems that the department of education is way too large. They are getting too much into the specifics of what must be taught and how.

I went to public school, and looking at what my coworkers kids are doing, I really don’t recognize the system as being what I went through and the end product is no where as capable as before. When I was at colleges they made us take a quarter of what I thought was remedial math, English, and science each. Now it looks like they make them take a year of remedial work. I remember what my grandfather who had a high school diploma knew in general knowledge, and compared it favorably with my knowledge. Now the kids are in class about social justice, diversity, and because of mainstreaming the class is being taught at the lowest common denominator level.

Why?

At a minimum, the DOE is not accomplishing the mission. I’d buy tear it down and come up with something new, but at a minimum it needs some serious repair.
 
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And yes, I question how a entertainment industry executive can make it better.
 
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And yes, I question how a entertainment industry executive can make it better.


Trump plays to an audience she knows well.

Now and then an old high school test from Civil War times show up on the internet, to show how things have changed.

"Liberal Arts" once meant a store of knowledge that every free citizen was expected to possess.


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Education in the US does need a major overhaul.

That we have federal, state, and local education governing bodies with massively overlapping responsibilities and the ability to pass responsibility continually is a problem.

The shifting of items that are not really educational to the school system is a major problem. Essentially having the schools act as daycare is not education.

I don’t really see how sports are education, either.

The idea that english as a second language classes exist is good. Mandating that we teach the nonlanguage classes in “native language” is not.

Saeed has a point. AFAIC, anyone who pays school taxes or has a child in that school should be allowed to see what is going on and observe classes. It doesn’t need to be in person, but that would be better than remotely as you could see how the class environment is going.

Too many kids are failed by the schools. IMO, if you have a high school diploma, that should mean you read at a 12th grade level, can do basic algebra, trigonometry, and simple math without a calculator.

A basic understanding of geography, civics, scientific method, biology, chemistry, and physics.

I would also think some basic items like CPR and first aid, an introduction to agriculture, home economics, and industrial arts would be good.

While I think the humanities are good, I would remove them as requirements as they end up getting divisive. I would say that some sort of electives should be there, but testing on them would be problematic.

How do we get there? It seems that the department of education is way too large. They are getting too much into the specifics of what must be taught and how.

I went to public school, and looking at what my coworkers kids are doing, I really don’t recognize the system as being what I went through and the end product is no where as capable as before. When I was at colleges they made us take a quarter of what I thought was remedial math, English, and science each. Now it looks like they make them take a year of remedial work. I remember what my grandfather who had a high school diploma knew in general knowledge, and compared it favorably with my knowledge. Now the kids are in class about social justice, diversity, and because of mainstreaming the class is being taught at the lowest common denominator level.

Why?

At a minimum, the DOE is not accomplishing the mission. I’d buy tear it down and come up with something new, but at a minimum it needs some serious repair.


Well put. I am amazed at how bad schools have become.
Saeed, that sounds wonderful! Regards, Bill.
 
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