Is this about building trump hotels or other properties in Russia? A transactional thing to enrich him? WTF?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...mp-russia-putin.html

Mr. Trump is in the middle of executing one of the most jaw-dropping pivots in American foreign policy in generations, a 180-degree turn that will force friends and foes to recalibrate in fundamental ways. Ever since the end of World War II, a long parade of American presidents saw first the Soviet Union and then, after a brief and illusory interregnum, its successor Russia as a force to be wary of, at the very least. Mr. Trump gives every appearance of viewing it as a collaborator in future joint ventures.

He makes clear that the United States is done isolating Mr. Putin for his unprovoked aggression against a weaker neighbor and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. Instead, Mr. Trump, who has always had a perplexing fondness for Mr. Putin, wants to readmit Russia to the international club and make it one of America’s top friends.

Sucking Putin’s dick, of course.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Is this about building trump hotels or other properties in Russia? A transactional thing to enrich him? WTF?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...mp-russia-putin.html

Mr. Trump is in the middle of executing one of the most jaw-dropping pivots in American foreign policy in generations, a 180-degree turn that will force friends and foes to recalibrate in fundamental ways. Ever since the end of World War II, a long parade of American presidents saw first the Soviet Union and then, after a brief and illusory interregnum, its successor Russia as a force to be wary of, at the very least. Mr. Trump gives every appearance of viewing it as a collaborator in future joint ventures.

He makes clear that the United States is done isolating Mr. Putin for his unprovoked aggression against a weaker neighbor and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. Instead, Mr. Trump, who has always had a perplexing fondness for Mr. Putin, wants to readmit Russia to the international club and make it one of America’s top friends.

Trump is 100% compromised, think about the behavior we know about, partying with Epstein, sexual assaults, banging porn stars, then consider what the KGB and FSB got on video in the 80s and 90s.

Putin owns him.

I would not be surprised if the pee tape does exist.

So we piss on our friends and allies and pander to our enemies. And the MAGAts all applaud the Orange Jesus. Amazing. Disturbing.

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Trump is 100% compromised, think about the behavior we know about, partying with Epstein, sexual assaults, banging porn stars, then consider what the KGB and FSB got on video in the 80s and 90s.

Putin owns him.

Putin has owned him since the ‘80s. Everyone in the west has known it, but his brainwashed cultists refuse to acknowledge it.

It’s a very strange world we live in, we’re supposed to learn from history so we don’t repeat it - but here we are.

A “deal”is not one side being coerced into just giving in to the other as Trump appears to think.

I hear that they're upset about not having a seat, well, they've had a seat for three years and a long time before that. This could have been settled very easily. You should have never started it. You could have made a deal,"

Reminds me of waving a piece of paper and declaring “Peace in our time”.

Zelensky had antagonized everyone.

He never showed gratitude for all the help he was getting.

He is as corrupt as the rest of his government.

He keeps firing people because of this.

Always, always, demanding more and more!

Now he is worthless as a used condom!

Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

If someone was beating you and demanding your house, would you give to them and stop the beating, or would you just want to continue getting beat? Your post is stupid, just like your orange dipshit god.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

Spineless cowards caving to the Russians and claiming to be "conservatives" and "patriots"

What a bunch of traitors.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

They want the exact opposite of every Trump action. They want the war to continue. They want the government spending to continue, they want the fraud to continue, they want the waste and abuse to continue.

They want men in girls locker-rooms, they want an open border.

As I stated in another thread, Trump has occupied every single "common sense issue" and owns them. The Democrat party only has "not-Trump" positions and is looking extremely foolish.

You don't need to like the man, to like what he's doing. Heck, even Frank Luntz stated that on CNN, Democrats like Trumps velocity of change. I'm looking for the video because I always bring receipts.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

Spineless cowards caving to the Russians and claiming to be "conservatives" and "patriots"

What a bunch of traitors.

While I can see why you might say that, neither side will get what they want, in full. I really believe this, both sides are tired of war and are looking for an exit ramp.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

Spineless cowards caving to the Russians and claiming to be "conservatives" and "patriots"

What a bunch of traitors.

While I can see why you might say that, neither side will get what they want, in full. I really believe this, both sides are tired of war and are looking for an exit ramp.

I say it because it is true and you know it too. Poor Reagan, just sad what Trump has done to the GOP. Spineless cowards who legitimize despots. Disgusting

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

Spineless cowards caving to the Russians and claiming to be "conservatives" and "patriots"

What a bunch of traitors.

While I can see why you might say that, neither side will get what they want, in full. I really believe this, both sides are tired of war and are looking for an exit ramp.

I say it because it is true and you know it too. Poor Reagan, just sad what Trump has done to the GOP. Spineless cowards who legitimize despots. Disgusting

OK, what does it look like for Ukraine to win? I'm open to hearing.

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what does it look like for Ukraine to win?

That's a odd way to phrase the question.

I suppose you mean on Zelenski's terms.

That would look great.

I think this war was prolonged through giving Putin hope and encouragement by Trump and GOPers. Obstructionism is waste, lives and money --- more so that Musk's DOGE will ever find or acknowledge.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

Spineless cowards caving to the Russians and claiming to be "conservatives" and "patriots"

What a bunch of traitors.

While I can see why you might say that, neither side will get what they want, in full. I really believe this, both sides are tired of war and are looking for an exit ramp.

I say it because it is true and you know it too. Poor Reagan, just sad what Trump has done to the GOP. Spineless cowards who legitimize despots. Disgusting

OK, what does it look like for Ukraine to win? I'm open to hearing.

What are you asking? What do they need to win on the battlefield or what should the terms of a settlement look like? Either way, yesterday was a disaster, for the Ukrainians, for our European allies and for America's standing in the world. Trump just upended 80 years of post war diplomacy and chose the Russians over our European allies, he is now saying the Ukrainians started the war and parroting Putin's talking points. A Ukraine win does not look like complete capitulation.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

Spineless cowards caving to the Russians and claiming to be "conservatives" and "patriots"

What a bunch of traitors.

While I can see why you might say that, neither side will get what they want, in full. I really believe this, both sides are tired of war and are looking for an exit ramp.

I say it because it is true and you know it too. Poor Reagan, just sad what Trump has done to the GOP. Spineless cowards who legitimize despots. Disgusting

OK, what does it look like for Ukraine to win? I'm open to hearing.

Russia gets the fuck out of their Country, all of it, and pays for the damage they've done.

Standard stuff after an unjustified invasion.

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OK, what does it look like for Ukraine to win? I'm open to hearing.

All it takes is for Trump to tell Putin “GTFO now, I’m not asking you, I’m telling you.”

But we all know who owns Trump.

Oh. This is Accurate Reloading. A win begins with a missile bringing down Putin’s plane.

Saeed- Thank you for this forum.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

Spineless cowards caving to the Russians and claiming to be "conservatives" and "patriots"

What a bunch of traitors.

While I can see why you might say that, neither side will get what they want, in full. I really believe this, both sides are tired of war and are looking for an exit ramp.

Trumps exit ramp being Putin gets to keep what he’s taken and Ukraine gets coerced into accepting it. Sounds like a great deal, if your name is Putin.

He can rebuild his military for a while and then look for another country to invade, and Trump can coerce the victim into accepting it again.

Seems like a real win for Vlad.

Or the west can keep supporting Ukraine to the best of our ability all the while they are willing to fight. With western weapons and training what started as a very unequal fight has become one where Ukraine can exact some real pain on Russia.

Maybe Putin will have an unfortunate accident and fall out of a second floor window. Or a grenade might go off when Vlad is playing with it on his private jet.

Capitulation.

https://youtu.be/_WvnBaPNnmk?si=6dHLlOwVXk8d6Ssy

Hear what Trump’s deal for Ukraine looks like

Hes become the equivalent of Philippe Petain

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Nobody done nothing in 9 years so when Trump is actually trying what’s the problem now?
Do we really want that war to continue for years?

They want the exact opposite of every Trump action. They want the war to continue. They want the government spending to continue, they want the fraud to continue, they want the waste and abuse to continue.

They want men in girls locker-rooms, they want an open border.

As I stated in another thread, Trump has occupied every single "common sense issue" and owns them. The Democrat party only has "not-Trump" positions and is looking extremely foolish.

You don't need to like the man, to like what he's doing. Heck, even Frank Luntz stated that on CNN, Democrats like Trumps velocity of change. I'm looking for the video because I always bring receipts.

Literally everything in your post is bullshit.

Nobody wants the war to continue but you don't end the war by giving Putin what he wants. It's clear that trump's plan is to cut Ukraine loose and let the Russians have what they want.

I'm not going to waste any time responding to the rest of your silly fox news talking points.

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because I always bring receipts.

We do in fact know what you bought into.

Oh, and while you let Trump distract you with your culture wars and American Carnage BS, a real war and carnage was going on and he had planned all along to capitulate to Putin.

He even fully expects you to believe his lies now and rationalize. Good Boy.

You ought to be curious as to why. No, you don't know the answer, yet.

None of us do, but when we speculate the polarization shows. You and others will give Trump credit he doesn't deserve and ignore the credit he deserves.

Throughout history, the Ukraine has been fucked!

And it continues thanks to the CIA!

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Throughout history, the Ukraine has been fucked!

I know that's true, but I don't know about the CIA.

The people of Ukraine have long suffered, historically. It's a long story line. That's part of why they are so tough.

Here's a convincing explination:

https://open.substack.com/pub/...=post&utm_medium=web

The Trump-Vance-Musk-Putin plan
Making the world safe for oligarchy
Robert Reich
Feb 20, 2025

Friends,

Trump’s startling remarks this week that Ukraine’s leadership “should have never started” the war in Ukraine, that Ukraine’s President Zelensky is a “dictator without elections,” and that the war “is far more important to Europe than it is to us” — signaled that the United States is prepared to jettison its European allies and switch sides to embrace Putin’s Russia.

This is despicable.

Trump’s phone call with Putin last week also reaffirmed Putin’s view of the world — that Russia and the United States are “two great nations” that should not only negotiate Ukraine’s fate directly but also together address even weightier global affairs.

Just after the call, Trump posted that he and Putin had “reflected on the Great History of our Nations, and the fact that we fought so successfully together in World War II, remembering that Russia lost tens of millions of people, and we, likewise, lost so many! We each talked about the strengths of our respective Nations, and the great benefit that we will someday have in working together.”

The phone call occurred on the same day, not incidentally, that Trump’s defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, declared that the United States would not support Ukraine’s desire for NATO membership.

And on the same day that the Senate confirmed Tulsi Gabbard, widely seen as sympathetic to Putin, as the next director of national intelligence.

At last week’s Munich security conference, Vice President JD Vance — a man who refuses to say that Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election — accused Europe of abandoning the values of democracy by excluding the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) from government.

Vance’s bizarre comments came just days before Germany’s general election (Vance had earlier met the AfD’s co-leader Alice Weidel).

The AfD is closely associated with neo-Nazis. In 2017, Björn Höcke, an AfD party leader in the eastern state of Thuringia, complained that Germans were “the only people in the world who’ve planted a monument of shame at the heart of their capital” — Höcke was referring to the memorial to the victims of the Holocaust — and that Germany needed “nothing less than a 180-degree turnaround in the politics of remembrance.”

In 2018, AfD party leader Alexander Gauland dismissed “Hitler and the Nazis” as “just a speck of bird shit in over 1,000 years of successful German history.”

In 2023, AfD politicians met with other far-right extremists to discuss an “overall concept, in the sense of a master plan” for the “remigration” of “migrants” to their countries of ethnic origin — no matter whether those migrants were asylum seekers, permanent residents, or German citizens.

The AfD wants to end German military aid to Ukraine and restart the Nord Stream pipelines through which Russia used to supply Germany with natural gas.

So what is Vance doing endorsing the AfD? Why has Musk also promoted the AfD on his X platform? Why is Trump bashing Ukraine and Zelensky and embracing Putin’s view that Ukraine started the war?

Connect these dots.

The Trump-Vance-Musk regime wants to empower the nationalist far-right in Europe and side with Russia over Ukraine in order to divide European democracies and weaken the Western alliance — and strengthen Putin and the global oligarchy.

This potentially emboldens further Russian military incursions like the 2014 and 2022 invasions of Ukraine.

Commentators in Moscow are claiming that the American-led effort to isolate Russia over Ukraine has ended and are celebrating Trump’s support for Russia’s narrative about who started the war in Ukraine.

After Trump’s phone call with Putin, Russia’s main stock market index jumped 5 percent to its highest point since last summer, and the ruble gained against the dollar to its strongest level since September.

Make no mistake. The Trump-Vance-Musk regime is not only undermining democracy in the United States. It is also laying the foundation for undermining democracies around the world.

Since the end of World War II, liberal democracies have stuck together — led by America. On the opposite side have been authoritarian states, led mainly by the Soviet Union, followed, after the demise of the Soviet Union, by Russia and China.

But all this is rapidly changing. Both Russia and China have morphed into oligarchies, run by small groups of extraordinarily wealthy people.

America has also been moving from a democracy to an oligarchy — and is doing so at lightning speed under Trump, Vance, Musk, and their billionaire buddies.

The new poles of international power are coming to be global democracies versus a global oligarchy. The United States is emerging on the side of global oligarchy.

When Trump was sworn in as president for the second time, he was joined by tech CEOs, business leaders, and financiers — all of whom are among the richest men in the world.

Trump, Vance, Musk. and Putin are making the world safe for oligarchy.

Well, it's clear that trump intends to cut Ukraine loose and let the Russians carve it up as they see fit.

What a disgrace. Bowing down to the Russian fucks.

And his M.O. is the same as it has been. Lie and count on "his" people to continue to believe in his fiction.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Is this about building trump hotels or other properties in Russia? A transactional thing to enrich him? WTF?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...mp-russia-putin.html

Mr. Trump is in the middle of executing one of the most jaw-dropping pivots in American foreign policy in generations, a 180-degree turn that will force friends and foes to recalibrate in fundamental ways. Ever since the end of World War II, a long parade of American presidents saw first the Soviet Union and then, after a brief and illusory interregnum, its successor Russia as a force to be wary of, at the very least. Mr. Trump gives every appearance of viewing it as a collaborator in future joint ventures.

He makes clear that the United States is done isolating Mr. Putin for his unprovoked aggression against a weaker neighbor and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. Instead, Mr. Trump, who has always had a perplexing fondness for Mr. Putin, wants to readmit Russia to the international club and make it one of America’s top friends.

This really is some interesting stuff, stepping back and looking at it, and some history.

What's Putin got to lose? His imperialistic Dreams? So far that hasn't happened at great expense to his own citizens, lives and well-being. Putin doesn't seem to care about lives and well-being.

Suppose Nixon's vision had worked. Then what would Russia have to lose? Putin would probably not even be involved. Nixon had globalization in the world's economy in mind where prosperity was shared.

Trump acts like he's capable of playing three dimensional chess with Russia and Putin. Is he really? How is a transactional, zero-sum guy going to make a deal?

Is Trump stoking Putin's imperialistic Dreams or globalization economically for the mutual rewards, and who's rewards?

Is Trump a visionary, reactionary, a madman, or just hostage to blackmailed?

https://youtu.be/kgG_fLNBv6A?si=bjNQtrSmTbqotDRr

Nixon Warned That THIS Would Happen To Russia (1992)

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IMO, it doesn't matter, now, that Nixon f*cked up with Watergate.

Here's another video from the Nixion Foundation of an interview of Nixon after he left office:

https://youtu.be/VGzJaTH6lHU?si=qLVvo9pIbtC7MNVp

Can The Russians Be Trusted?

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Now that I have your attention

https://youtu.be/D_6LkyCGVEk?si=ycOa5fTCGPvn5D-c

What Went Wrong At The Yalta Conference

Richard Nixon Foundation

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Throughout history, the Ukraine has been fucked!

I know that's true, but I don't know about the CIA.

The people of Ukraine have long suffered, historically. It's a long story line. That's part of why they are so tough.

They had Homolodor once, in living memory. They apparently are not going to stand still for it a second time.

Having said that, how long before Trump sends American troops to fight alongside the Russians?

This isn't like New York, where you can get a zoning change for a good story and a few favors.