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Mexican drug cartels operating ‘on a very large scale’ in Big Sky Country https://www.koin.com/news/mexi...-in-big-sky-country/ Cartels in Butte?!?!?!? What really are we doing? | ||
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So, if I remember right one of the folks interviewed for this piece mentioned that this horror show was due to the Open Border, i.e., Bidens failed domestic policy, but no discussion here? Sinaloa Cartel in Butte Montana, but no problemo? Wow Man, I'm horrified. | |||
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You should see what the great ranch country of south Texas has been reduced to. It is unbelievable what this administration has allowed to take place. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Before Fentanyl it was Heroin, before Heroin it was Meth. The Mexican cartels have been operating on the high plains long before Trump's term, let alone Biden's. I never really understood it, it seems so out of place up there but that is the reality. Substance abuse is extremely high in the area and even worse on the Reservations. Long distances, sparse population and few employment options but gee whiz, you would think folks would find something else to do with their time but apparently not. | |||
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Fentanyl may be a game changer in the longrun — not very forgiving. Hopefully, no one loses a child in the meantime. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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People are losing children to it hourly...... | |||
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Yes sir I know. I was referring to the more localized crowd here that tend to poo-poo the cartel crisis. It is a huge problem. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Why is substence abuse in the US so much more of a problem compared to Europe? In a report from 2019 they reported 8799 drug related deaths in the EU in 2017 (8238 overdoses - 9461 if Norway and Turkeye are included) among 15-64 year old. At the time that was a rate f 10 times lower than the US, which reported 70,237 deaths. Now the US has about 100,000 drug overdose deaths. Why such a huge difference? Europe US | |||
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That’s a good question Brushpeter. I suspect the EU will ultimately catch up with us. The truth of the matter is that these opiates make people feel great, escape the realities of their lives. The real question is why drug use is such a huge problem now. It’s simply because it’s available. It’s a fact that humans will do also anything to avoid anxiety. Anxiety is unsettling, it’s uncomfortable. Personally, I try to embrace it, understanding that it is a human condition that allowed us to seek safety some hundred thousand years ago. If opiates had been readily available in the 1800’s, there would have been a drug problem then. | |||
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Well said. You are on a roll these days cat! Opiates were available then laudenum (sp) and hash...again the chinese...go figger. Not as deadly as fentanyl.... If I where the king of the USA, the war on drugs would have been won decades ago. No quarter on dope dealers, none! | |||
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Why is the problem worse here? Because Americans are fat, dumb, and lazy….  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Seems like most of them look pretty emaciated when arrested. Kids who buy weed laced with this stuff or 'pain pills' for their 'anxiety' and die are another issue. Most of the people I know who are chronic weed smokers are overweight. They claim it is medicine as well. The anxiety issue? Not sure what to do about that. I think it is caused from folks having too much time on their hands and no chores. ~Ann   | |||
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A bit of correction- Opium was more available from the Middle East and India. The west made use of opium trade to help subjugate China. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the Chinese rationale behind what they are doing. Drug abuse was rarer in the old days due to cost.
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They were — Laudanum. It wasn’t abused like it is today. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Cost probably did help keep abuse down. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It’s my understanding that there was small amount of opiates in Laudanum. Enough to make you feel good, but not enough to take you into the ozone’s. And where could you purchased the quantity in the 1800’s to sustain a real habit. An as Ann eluded to, people had to work, do something to survive But substance abuse, ie, alcohol was huge, particularly in the west. The limitations was do to transport and manufacture problems. I have spoken to doctors about meth and her ion. Any of us would get seriously addicted with enough and sufficient exposure. Look at the Oxy prescriptions in early 2000’s. In fact, I had a hunting buddy that developed a terrible opiate addiction because of the over-prescription of Ocy’s after a foot operation. He died an addict. | |||
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Laudanum is a tincture of opium containing approximately 10% powdered opium by weight. Laudanum is prepared by dissolving extracts from the opium poppy in alcohol. You could still buy it when I started practice in 1992. We mixed it with bismuth subsalicylate to treat diarrhea in foals. They also commonly had opium dens in the 1800s where they smoked it some how out of water pipes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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didn't need water pipes. those small bowl long stem pipes and a candle were the paraphernalia of choice. the opium was simply picked out of a glass vial with a pin or whatever and placed in the bowl. opium is what caused hong kong to be run by the English, it was the only way they could control the trade. | |||
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I think I'm seeing two different and yes related problems. A) addicted Americans. As has been said here, their fault, accidental, course of many poor choices, the growth of addicted fellow citizens is gonna get us all in a bad way. B) Drug cartels operating with impunity in the States. I have, we all have been aware of gang activity and I have grown to not be surprised by the lawlessness of the southern border. It blew me away to read about Cartels in Montana. Who allows this? How does this happen? This kind of stuff seems to me has an obvious response, and that's to over react individually and collectively. Known drug dealers and gang members need to start coming up missing and turning up dead, really really dead. This is an invasion and there needs to be a counter offensive to their assault. | |||
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Scott, the feds are trying hard to control the fentanyl problem. Just today in McMinnville oregon 7 people went to the hospital, two of them in cardiac arrest. The cocaine they were taking had been laced with fentanyl. Fentanyl is cheap to make and small enough that it is easy to smuggle in. For every big time drug dealer the feds arrest, there are another 25 out there Sure, we all agree that the dealers need a quick bullet to the head, but we do have a Constitution. As an aside, I understand that the vast amount is coming I. From China. Another aside, the most popular Fentanyl is Rainbow Fentanyl. Colored blue, red and yellow, it looks like Candy. Something that would attract a child. | |||
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Just about wish you hadn't told me that. Certainly agree with you regarding laws, rights and our constitution. It does seem like some folks need to operate outside the law to get these dealers. | |||
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This country is all about greed. The funny thing about materialism is the more you get, the more you want. This addiction to fancier Nikes, flashier cars and bigger homes is a vicious circle that produces an insatiable lust for more. Lane’s attraction for the days gone bye, makes some sense. Most people just wanted to pay their rent/mortgage, put food on the table and hoped for equal or better life for their kids. Those healthy and basic desires are now supplanted by extreme materialism that adds little to their quality of life, and in the long run harms them. I’ll give you a personal example. I have quite a few points built up for Nevada Mule Deer. I should get a tag. As soon as considered the possibility of hunting there this fall, I started thinking about a new rifle. The 280 isn’t quite good enough. Those 28 Noslers look like just the ticket, but a 257 Weatherby would be great. And, Christ, the scope has to be German—you know, one of those big lens scopes with glass as clear and bright as cold gin. And you can’t be without a high tech bipod for those old, so long, cross-canyon shots on what people call the buck of a life time. But, there’s another option. Stop looking at the glossy ads of these rifles that promise half inch groups and shiny brass cases that are so long they look like they belong in a fighter jet. How about I commit to shooting just two hours per month more, walking just two more miles a day. Instead of focusing on the armament, how about looking for something far modest like really good shoes to stalk in. Of course, if I take the latter course, it’s going to take an effort. A lot more difficult than just plopping down a credit card. But in the end, which course will provide the greater satisfaction. If I stick to my old 280 and blow a stalk, and I don’t come with the buck in the back of my truck or if I took the easy way, purchased the greatest and best and put another head on the wall, that nobody really gives a fuck about, other than me. Where I can sit with some fellow chaps, drink a fine bourbon , with of course, my round globe of ice, in a heavy, Chrystal old-fashioned glass and point at the wall and say, “I got the buck last year,” and they all say “nice one” and we move on to another subject? | |||
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I have 13 points in Nevada and intend to start in Winnemucca this fall. Gonna bring my old -06 and the six year old girl. Hunting with a guide there. I know what you mean, I guess I'm going to try to buy an experience rather than an item in this case. Hopefully Violet will see the buck before we shoot. Hopefully she'll carry some small piece of the buck in her little pack back to camp. I still think this preoccupation with Foreign Entanglements on distant shores distracts our attention from the travesties in our towns, streets and homes. Get all lathered up about Ukraine and the Sinaloa Cartel is having it's Christmas party in Butte. I can't just accept that we've ceded this much territory to a sworn enemy. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That's exactly what should happen!!!! | |||
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Not sure if it's availability. Portugal decrimininalized pretty much all drugs, and overdoses aren't skyrocketing there. Same with marijuana in many states, the problems with it didn't grow (much) after it was legalized. I do agree with the anxiety bit, and I think that's a point. Whenever I travel between both, I notice people in the US are generally more stressed and on edge. More concerns about safety, healthcare costs, money, job security. And there often not being a safety net when one loses a job, quickly ending up on the street, in the US, also contributes. Generally you see many more homeless people in US cities, than in EU. Both carry costs though. A safety net is (very) expensive, many people homeless and addicted to substances also carries costs. A society decides how much they want to pay, and are prepared to take as a burden I guess. | |||
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Here's a dose of reality for you: McAllen has lowest crime rate in 37 years. The cities along the Texas border are amongst the safest in the state. All this "cartel crisis" quacking is bullshit. https://myrgv.com/local-news/2...ontinues-to-decline/ >>>>Rio Grande Valley residents have heard it all before. Whether it’s headlines from cable news outlets or rhetoric from the state’s governor or ambitious political candidates, the border is often characterized as a chaotic, dangerous region that cartels violently exploit for profit. While it has long been true that illegal immigration and drug smuggling occurs in the Valley, whether this border region really is a lawless area as some in politics and the media portray it to be cannot be determined by hyperbole. So are border communities dangerous? Not according to an FBI report that contradicts the notion that the Rio Grande Valley is the “war zone” as other mass media outlets allege it is due to what they call a “border crisis.” And McAllen’s police chief and mayor, as well as Brownsville police agree this isn’t the case. In fact, McAllen police Chief Victor Rodriguez said his department reported its 13th annual consecutive crime reduction, resulting in the lowest crime rate in McAllen in 37 years, which, according to Rodriguez, is unheard of. “It’s an incredible statistic and we’re very proud of that,” Rodriguez said. McAllen participates in the Uniform Crime Reporting and National Incident-Based Reporting System programs, which measures and analyzes crime in as uniform a manner as possible. The UCR program’s traditional summary reporting system aggregates a monthly tally of the following crimes: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny-theft and motor vehicle theft. Rodriguez said comparisons between border cities and the largest cities in the state are due to the Valley being under a microscope for years because of border issues. He added that due to all the attention, there’s been a saturation of state police, military and Border Patrol assets, which he says aids in the city police’s mission to keep crime low. “What I’m trying to suggest is, I’m not discounting that as one reason we’ve seen, let’s say, 13 years in crime reductions when the rest of the world thinks crime is through the roof and that this is a lawless region,” Rodriguez said. “That’s just not the case.” McAllen Mayor Javier Villalobos echoed Rodriguez’s sentiments. “You know, every time I get an interview with somebody, I make sure that I let them know what’s depicted in the media isn’t necessarily what’s going on over here,” Villalobos said. “And when we talk about, for example the immigration issues, which isn’t a border crisis but a national issue, we’re talking about the asylum seekers that are processed and we assist to process, and we haven’t had any issues. “I understand for political purposes, different organizations want to do different things, but here in McAllen, we are one of the safest cities, we have some of the friendliest people and we’re very proud of that.” Brownsville police Commander Robert Martinez concurs. “We really don’t have much of an issue in Brownsville,” Martinez said when asked about immigration. “As far as the way you try to label it as a war zone, no, that’s not the case here.” Brownsville Mayor Trey Mendez was unavailable for comment. SAFE CITIES Among Texas’ four largest border cities and five of the state’s largest cities, which include El Paso, Laredo and Brownsville, McAllen was recognized as the city with the least crime in 2021, based on the FBI report. In the analysis of 2021 Texas UCR crime data, McAllen also ranked the lowest among Texas’ four largest border cities as well as its five largest cities, such as San Antonio and Austin. McAllen’s total crime was 2,874, which consisted of 259 cases of violent crime and 2,615 cases of property crime. Rodriguez credits the residents and the city he serves as the reason McAllen was reported as the lowest in crime compared to other large border cities. “We obviously have a very good community and we get the resources that we need from our city commission and through the budgetary process,” Rodriguez said. “We have a community that is, I think, very engaged in our city … and if they see something, they say something and they report stuff.” When compared to Texas cities with populations of over 140,000 or more, of which there are a total of 26 cities within that criteria, McAllen’s ranking does drop slightly to the sixth lowest in total crime and 11th lowest in property crime. McAllen Mayor Javier Villalobos said the city ranked lower last year and was happy to learn McAllen did better this year. “We were ranked seventh safest and now sixth,” Villalobos said. “So, for a border community in the whole country, that’s fantastic.” Brownsville ranked at 16th lowest in crime according to Martinez, the Brownsville police commander, who mentioned that Brownsville is closer to 190,000 in population compared to McAllen’s 144,973. “That’s also not including your transient population that goes through the city,” Martinez said. “It could be a lot more.” Similar to McAllen, Brownsville’s crimes consist mostly of property crimes, which Martinez said there were 3,348 reported last year, and of those 2,817 were theft. Martinez said they prevent crime by using special programs to help juveniles or troubled youths. “We have what we call the Second Chance program for our juveniles,” public information officer Martin Sandoval said. “We work together with the school district. If a juvenile gets arrested … for an offense, of course nothing dealing with a severe felony, they get counseling, they get a type of adjudication and they try to help them out.” According to the NIBRS crime data, McAllen ranks as the eighth lowest in crime with 8,815 reported incidents, which consists of 2,955 crimes against persons, 4,329 crimes against property and 1,531 crimes against society. It appears to be good news for a region where crime continues to cool down as the rhetoric heats up. “The department expresses special thanks to the men and women of the McAllen Police Department for their hard work and the successful outcomes reflected in this report and analysis,” Rodriguez, the McAllen chief, said in a statement. “As we go forward, the department will continue its diligence to the public safety service that our community deserves.” Recommended for you
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Mike, Why would cartels make trouble in McAllen? They live in McAllen. They want it to be nice for The Family. The Gulf Cartel keeps it that way there and they have no real rival to war with there. Try living on one of the ranches north west of there. Try driving around the county roads out there at night. Ask Hector about getting out of the Laguna Madre into Gulf of that area if you are not “known.” I have a Hispanic Texan that works for me from Falfurrias. His family are multigenerational Hispanic Texans ranching in the area. Ask him how you have to negotiate around the cartel movement on the ranches around there. It IS a huge problem. If you have a daughter…especially a cute blonde-haired daughter…I wouldn’t recommend letting her drive alone from Alice to Laredo. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I've read most of the posts herein, and wow. I chose the above quote as a double-wow. BTW, I don't understand drug use and have no tolerance for it. I certainly don't blame Biden admin for it. But I agree that the situation ain't right. Even religion is a better drug of choice. At least the cartels aren't peddling that. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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So, point out to me all the news stories where this supposed drug cartel control is happening? All the murders and evidence that nobody can drive a county road safely in Texas because there are marauding drug dealers controlling the country-side? You're full of shit. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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