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Originally posted by crbutler:
The senate is run by the democrats. The White House has been AWOL on the border.

While I agree the optics are bad by bluntly refusing to consider anything from the senate, we all know that it would not be a compromise bill if it came from the democrats.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
He’s admitting that he feels that the democrats in the senate will not allow anything more substantial.

I haven’t read the bill. I haven’t seen it posted anywhere yet.

What improvements are in it?

The GOP in the senate tend to believe in compromise. A portion of the democrats in the senate also believe in it.

Both parties have their hardliners.

And yes, I do consider the squad and the freedom caucus to be equivalent. Too ideological to effectively govern in a closely divided country.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
He’s admitting that he feels that the democrats in the senate will not allow anything more substantial.

I haven’t read the bill. I haven’t seen it posted anywhere yet.

What improvements are in it?

The GOP in the senate tend to believe in compromise. A portion of the democrats in the senate also believe in it.

Both parties have their hardliners.

And yes, I do consider the squad and the freedom caucus to be equivalent. Too ideological to effectively govern in a closely divided country.

There are at least 45 far-right members in the "Freedom Caucus" and 8 in "The Squad".

Yeah, that's equivalent.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
He’s admitting that he feels that the democrats in the senate will not allow anything more substantial.

I haven’t read the bill. I haven’t seen it posted anywhere yet.

What improvements are in it?

The GOP in the senate tend to believe in compromise. A portion of the democrats in the senate also believe in it.

Both parties have their hardliners.

And yes, I do consider the squad and the freedom caucus to be equivalent. Too ideological to effectively govern in a closely divided country.

There are at least 45 far-right members in the "Freedom Caucus" and 8 in "The Squad".

Yeah, that's equivalent.

Who, in your opinion is more extreme in their views.

Ileana Omar or Mike Johnson?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
It’s partially partisan politics and partly because it’s a bad bill. 5000 illegal entries a day, allowed?

The new border patrol agents aren’t directed at border enforcement. They are to allow more illegal processing to stop the bottlenecks at the border. It’s simply optics for upcoming elections. Both sides.

America is being destroyed by 535 pricks that want you and I to hate each other. Brother against brother. Sound familiar?

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

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it’s a bad bill

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

100% correct Steve.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

100% correct Steve.

The interesting part about reading the actual Federalist papers and other correspondence between the Founders is just how far adrift our country has become. Their intent is crystal clear and leaves no ambiguity.

Some of the other subjects I found fascinating was their insistence on an educated electorate.

Reading that book flat made me a better American. I try to live my life with their vision of America in mind.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

100% correct Steve.

The interesting part about reading the actual Federalist papers and other correspondence between the Founders is just how far adrift our country has become. Their intent is crystal clear and leaves no ambiguity.

Some of the other subjects I found fascinating was their insistence on an educated electorate.

Reading that book flat made me a better American. I try to live my life with their vision of America in mind.

Exactly!

But Joshua will be along shortly to tell you how better off we are.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

100% correct Steve.

The interesting part about reading the actual Federalist papers and other correspondence between the Founders is just how far adrift our country has become. Their intent is crystal clear and leaves no ambiguity.

Some of the other subjects I found fascinating was their insistence on an educated electorate.

Reading that book flat made me a better American. I try to live my life with their vision of America in mind.

Exactly!

But Joshua will be along shortly to tell you how better off we are.

The typical response would be the woman vote and slavery issues

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

100% correct Steve.

The interesting part about reading the actual Federalist papers and other correspondence between the Founders is just how far adrift our country has become. Their intent is crystal clear and leaves no ambiguity.

Some of the other subjects I found fascinating was their insistence on an educated electorate.

Reading that book flat made me a better American. I try to live my life with their vision of America in mind.

Exactly!

But Joshua will be along shortly to tell you how better off we are.

The typical response would be the woman vote and slavery issues

Yeah, that whole 3/5 compromise thing in the document that you try to live your life by is problematic.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

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Their intent is crystal clear and leaves no ambiguity.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Sanity.

The reality is that the republicans don't want a deal. They want to beat Biden over the head with the issue next year.

https://www.politico.com/live-...take-a-deal-00135982

Speaker Mike Johnson is publicly and privately panning the Senate’s ongoing border and immigration negotiations. Senate Republicans are reminding him that it's the best deal he'll ever get.

Republicans senators said on Tuesday that they see only worse opportunities ahead to craft a border bill that can pass, given that Democrats who run the Senate and White House are now considering major changes to asylum policy, new expulsion authorities and perhaps even putting limits on presidential parole authority. If Republicans try to wait for a better deal after November's election, senators say, they could end up with GOP control over Congress and the White House — but Democrats who are in no mood to deal on the issue.


“There’s absolutely no way that we would get the kind of border policy that’s been talked about right now with a Republican majority in the Senate, unless we get a 60-vote majority, which isn’t going to happen … there aren’t many Democrats that are going to be available,” said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the minority whip. “This is a unique moment in time. It’s an opportunity to get some conservative border policy.”

Thune described the current situation at the nation's southern border as a “national security emergency.” If House Republicans slam the door on an immigration deal, some in the Senate GOP worry that won't exactly jibe with their message that the border is a five-alarm fire.

Republicans contend that the domestic national security risks of surging migration are just as important as foreign aid. Over the past two months, that argument has become the reason that the GOP won’t move forward on Ukraine aid — compelling reluctant Democrats to the table in a bid to shake loose President Joe Biden's $100 billion-plus national security spending proposal.

Now senators and the Biden administration are discussing a deal that would restrict migration and beef up border funding, while also sending billions of dollars to Ukraine. Republicans spent months building a messaging campaign focused on what they see as a growing border crisis. Some of them, including Texas' own GOP governor, might be more interested in a compromise solution than delaying until next year.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said he recently discussed with his state's governor, Greg Abbott, the idea of waiting out Democrats for a better deal after the election. Abbott’s response, according to Cornyn, was: “So we’re just supposed to take this flow of humanity across the border for the next year?

“I don’t think we should fail to do our duty just because the House may have a different view,” Cornyn said. “It makes no sense to wait if we could do something now that would be meaningful.”

Over the weekend, Johnson posted on X “absolutely not” in response to a Fox News screen that criticized a potential border deal; Thune responded that “unfortunately, there's a lot of stuff leaked out there which doesn't reflect some of what’s being discussed and negotiated."

But Johnson's position isn’t exactly a secret: He wants the hardline H.R. 2 bill that the House passed last year, reiterating his position in a conference call on Sunday.

Senate Democrats aren’t going to support that bill. And if Donald Trump wins the presidency this fall, they won't be eager to help him restrict immigration; one of his proposals to help the immigrant group known as Dreamers and restrict legal immigration was roundly defeated in 2018 (other, more moderate options failed too).

There’s a reason immigration bills don’t go anywhere in Congress: They’re big, they’re complicated and they tick off each party’s base. At the moment, the Senate GOP is making a clear recommendation to its House counterparts, who are quite in tune with that base: If we get a deal, take the win.

“We’ve got a giant problem with thousands of people coming every day. So we’ve got to work to find solutions. I wouldn’t shut the door.” said Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.).

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Their intent is crystal clear and leaves no ambiguity.

Your error is in assuming the Founders all had the same intent. They did not.

Most were Christians. Some were Deists. And some were atheists or agnostics.

The Constitution was a compromise. The one thing they all agreed on was that religion had no place in government.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Speaker Johnson keeps the government open working with and by Dem votes.

Funny how responsibility seems to sober these folks up; sometimes.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Speaker Johnson keeps the government open working with and by Dem votes.

Funny how responsibility seems to sober these folks up; sometimes.

Democrats keep the government open by working with the Speaker.

More Democrats voted for it than Republicans.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Lamar:
except that ones religious fervor allows the constitution to exist and the others is not at all compatible with there being one.

Correct you are. Anyone that believes as Mr. Five does, needs (badly) to read “The 5000 Year Leap”.

The book is essentially a culmination of the founders reasons for, and federalist paper that supports their reasons why they wrote what they did. Not only that, they state the exact opposite what the radical left says about “The Founders being deists.”

The definitely wanted religion to be part of the American fabric.

Those that will reply I’m completely full of shit, read it first.

It also goes into the basis of American laws both natural and written as based heavily on the Leviticus. Again, read it before telling me I’m an idiot.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Their intent is crystal clear and leaves no ambiguity.

Your error is in assuming the Founders all had the same intent. They did not.

Most were Christians. Some were Deists. And some were atheists or agnostics.

The Constitution was a compromise. The one thing they all agreed on was that religion had no place in government.