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08 February 2025, 17:36
JTEX
USAID
Why is the left so outraged about the shutdown. Are they happy with how,our tax dollars are thrown away? Or is it something more sinister?

quote:
$1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces.
$70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland.
$47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia.
$32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru.
That was just the tip of the iceberg.



As much as $10 million was used by an al Qaeda-linked group for meals.
$78,000 to a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations including Pakistan's Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation — even after an inspector general launched an investigation.
$15 million in taxpayer funds to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to help distribute 'oral contraceptives and condoms.'

The fact sheet lists millions of dollars in additional wasteful spending, including:

$6 million was used to fund tourism in Egypt
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$1.5 million to 'advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities.'


Looks like DOGE is starting out well!
08 February 2025, 18:00
Aspen Hill Adventures
It seems it is a slush fund for special interest groups. Typical. Another reason to hate our govt.


~Ann


08 February 2025, 18:01
Bobster
If the gov't is like private business, 20% of the employees do 80% of the work. So I say don't let the door hit you in the ass. The maintenance guy at our local USPS was complaining recently about his $50/hr job and how he deserved more for sweeping the floor and cleaning bathrooms. This was while he was farking off.
08 February 2025, 18:16
M.Shy
Even in our small town, USPS EMPLOYEES are not the most friendly folks…WTH is their problem?
Great pay, great benefits, job security…


Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
08 February 2025, 18:26
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by M.Shy:
Even in our small town, USPS EMPLOYEES are not the most friendly folks…WTH is their problem?
Great pay, great benefits, job security…


they have corp installed pedometers that report their step count, quickness, package rate, driving speed, and everything can get them fired --


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
08 February 2025, 18:30
M.Shy
Then they should quit en masse and find job that does not do that to them
Boy, I’m sure glad I don’t work for any gov
I don’t feel sorry for them and every job has its challenge
Anyway, I do believe USPS will be fine in near future


Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
08 February 2025, 20:14
Bill Leeper
quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Why is the left so outraged about the shutdown. Are they happy with how,our tax dollars are thrown away? Or is it something more sinister?

quote:
$1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces.
$70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland.
$47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia.
$32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru.
That was just the tip of the iceberg.



As much as $10 million was used by an al Qaeda-linked group for meals.
$78,000 to a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations including Pakistan's Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation — even after an inspector general launched an investigation.
$15 million in taxpayer funds to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to help distribute 'oral contraceptives and condoms.'

The fact sheet lists millions of dollars in additional wasteful spending, including:

$6 million was used to fund tourism in Egypt
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$1.5 million to 'advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities.'


Looks like DOGE is starting out well!

That 15 million to distribute condoms and contraceptives might be money well spent. If a similar program had been used in Central America, Africa, and a host of other places sixty years ago, a lot of today's problems might not exist. Bill
08 February 2025, 21:42
TomP
quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Why is the left so outraged about the shutdown. Are they happy with how,our tax dollars are thrown away? Or is it something more sinister?

quote:
$1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces.
$70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland.
$47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia.
$32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru.
That was just the tip of the iceberg.



As much as $10 million was used by an al Qaeda-linked group for meals.
$78,000 to a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations including Pakistan's Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation — even after an inspector general launched an investigation.
$15 million in taxpayer funds to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to help distribute 'oral contraceptives and condoms.'

The fact sheet lists millions of dollars in additional wasteful spending, including:

$6 million was used to fund tourism in Egypt
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$1.5 million to 'advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities.'


Looks like DOGE is starting out well!


Makes for humorous reading but are teensy drops in a very big bucket.
I doubt anyone is tracking the side effects of Trump's decrees.
The Butterfly Effect. Not to say the cuts would be wrong, just that there is no analysis of the details.


TomP

Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.

Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
08 February 2025, 22:11
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Why is the left so outraged about the shutdown. Are they happy with how,our tax dollars are thrown away? Or is it something more sinister?

quote:
$1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces.
$70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland.
$47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia.
$32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru.
That was just the tip of the iceberg.



As much as $10 million was used by an al Qaeda-linked group for meals.
$78,000 to a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations including Pakistan's Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation — even after an inspector general launched an investigation.
$15 million in taxpayer funds to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to help distribute 'oral contraceptives and condoms.'

The fact sheet lists millions of dollars in additional wasteful spending, including:

$6 million was used to fund tourism in Egypt
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$1.5 million to 'advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities.'


Looks like DOGE is starting out well!


Makes for humorous reading but are teensy drops in a very big bucket.
I doubt anyone is tracking the side effects of Trump's decrees.
The Butterfly Effect. Not to say the cuts would be wrong, just that there is no analysis of the details.


46 billion isn't 'teensy drops" -- AND it helps get the bucket smaller --

wanna bet there's MUCH more?


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
08 February 2025, 22:15
medved
nobody mentionned it but i will ask what about the us farmers that usaid was buying from for wheat, soybeans and rice?

USAID, last year purchased $2 billion in U.S.-grown crops from corn and soybeans to wheat, sorghum, vegetable oil and peas.

USAID plays about 10% to 20% of the total [export] market.

interesting to say the least ...
08 February 2025, 22:50
crbutler
Well if it was brought by the US government with USG funds, IMO, it’s not an export but rather more some kind of price support.

quote:
Originally posted by medved:
nobody mentionned it but i will ask what about the us farmers that usaid was buying from for wheat, soybeans and rice?

USAID, last year purchased $2 billion in U.S.-grown crops from corn and soybeans to wheat, sorghum, vegetable oil and peas.

USAID plays about 10% to 20% of the total [export] market.

interesting to say the least ...

09 February 2025, 02:14
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Why is the left so outraged about the shutdown. Are they happy with how,our tax dollars are thrown away? Or is it something more sinister?

quote:
$1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces.
$70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland.
$47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia.
$32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru.
That was just the tip of the iceberg.



As much as $10 million was used by an al Qaeda-linked group for meals.
$78,000 to a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations including Pakistan's Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation — even after an inspector general launched an investigation.
$15 million in taxpayer funds to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to help distribute 'oral contraceptives and condoms.'

The fact sheet lists millions of dollars in additional wasteful spending, including:

$6 million was used to fund tourism in Egypt
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$1.5 million to 'advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia's workplaces and business communities.'


Looks like DOGE is starting out well!


100% I am ecstatic.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
09 February 2025, 02:34
M.Shy
Everyone who doesn’t like it…you ever balance your own checkbook?
Or you just grab CC and go shopping


Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
09 February 2025, 02:42
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by medved:
nobody mentionned it but i will ask what about the us farmers that usaid was buying from for wheat, soybeans and rice?

USAID, last year purchased $2 billion in U.S.-grown crops from corn and soybeans to wheat, sorghum, vegetable oil and peas.

USAID plays about 10% to 20% of the total [export] market.

interesting to say the least ...


you are only off by an order of magnitude - or two
quote:
The value of U.S. agricultural exports, not adjusting for inflation, peaked in fiscal year 2022 before declining in 2023. Total exports were valued at $178.7 billion in 2023,

2/179= 1.1%


Oh, and you mean the USAID food that is NORTORIOUSLY stolen by governments and strongmen, and rarely makes it to the poor? THAT USAID?


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
09 February 2025, 02:46
medved
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by medved:
nobody mentionned it but i will ask what about the us farmers that usaid was buying from for wheat, soybeans and rice?

USAID, last year purchased $2 billion in U.S.-grown crops from corn and soybeans to wheat, sorghum, vegetable oil and peas.

USAID plays about 10% to 20% of the total [export] market.

interesting to say the least ...


you are only off by an order of magnitude - or two
quote:
The value of U.S. agricultural exports, not adjusting for inflation, peaked in fiscal year 2022 before declining in 2023. Total exports were valued at $178.7 billion in 2023,

2/179= 1.1%


Oh, and you mean the USAID food that is NORTORIOUSLY stolen by governments and strongmen, and rarely makes it to the poor? THAT USAID?


i do not know about the stolen part i was just asking a question about all those farmers that got some money from your own gvt and it will not happen anymore... i imagine a lot of you are eating sorgho or gozo lol ...

spending like a drunken sailor make no sense i do agree for sure but if you want to rule the world but not helping it i can guarantee the outcome ...
09 February 2025, 04:57
jeffeosso
Which is why it's been moved under state - and will be properly administered as part of diplomacy, not slush fund --

i recall, mind you, it's been at least 20 years, that for every bag of food (grain usually, but flour too) 2 in 25 make it to the impoverished people


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
09 February 2025, 07:33
ledvm
Jeff,
Most of these morons have never been to places like Uganda where pallets of USAID canned goods are hoarded by government strongmen and sold to villagers or held in ransom for votes and other favors.

They think this stuff is passed out by the tooth fairy and every kid along the Congo drinks a can of milk before bed.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
09 February 2025, 07:37
ledvm
quote:
2 in 25 make it to the impoverished people


If that.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
09 February 2025, 07:39
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Jeff,
Most of these morons have never been to places like Uganda where pallets of USAID canned goods are hoarded by government strongmen and sold to villagers or held in ransom for votes and other favors.

They think this stuff is passed out by the tooth fairy and every kid along the Congo drinks a can of milk before bed.


Oh, you don't have to go to Uganda -- remember the warehouses full of aid in Puerto Rico? ..


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
09 February 2025, 08:18
eny
was wondering when the ag thing would come up. Our agriculture is the foundation of our "already great nation". Having a surplus regardless of the means or method is paramount. After all, isn't that one of the main reasons (price of groceries) why we have the president we have?

If you need it in simple terms, we provide markets (or support) one way or another for our farmers to always be producing more than we need so that in desperate times we are set up to feed everyone as well as an army.

But I digress, informed logical long-term thinking people always underestimate the power of short term feelings of certainty.
09 February 2025, 11:42
fulvio
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Jeff,
Most of these morons have never been to places like Uganda where pallets of USAID canned goods are hoarded by government strongmen and sold to villagers or held in ransom for votes and other favors.

They think this stuff is passed out by the tooth fairy and every kid along the Congo drinks a can of milk before bed.


Lane,

You got your foot in first.

I have physically witnessed what you say, seeing above-mentioned products with the USAID logo plastered on them being sold to the general public in shops at a price of course and certainly not within the reach of a starving villager. Wink
09 February 2025, 14:47
RolandtheHeadless
quote:
You got your foot in first.



In where? His mouth?

Lane has his foot in his mouth more and more over the past year or so. Remember when he was a tepid Trump supporter at best--when he said he didn't like Trump, but would ride for the GOP brand, no matter who they barfed up for a candidate?

Now, he's reborn! Hallelujah! A true Trumpeteer!

Trump is playing five dimensional chess, while the MSM and Dems can't figure out checkers. His brilliant moves include threatening to renege on the Panama Canal lease we signed and both parties honored for 100 years. Threatening to take or buy Greenland. Plans to make Canada the 51st state.

Hey, you Canucks: if I were you, I'd hold out for statehood for each of your ten provinces. Demand three more for your territories--as a negotiating position.

You really don't have to worry. Trump isn't competent enough to pull off most of what he says.
09 February 2025, 15:41
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
You got your foot in first.



In where? His mouth?

Lane has his foot in his mouth more and more over the past year or so. Remember when he was a tepid Trump supporter at best--when he said he didn't like Trump, but would ride for the GOP brand, no matter who they barfed up for a candidate?

Now, he's reborn! Hallelujah! A true Trumpeteer!

Trump is playing five dimensional chess, while the MSM and Dems can't figure out checkers. His brilliant moves include threatening to renege on the Panama Canal lease we signed and both parties honored for 100 years. Threatening to take or buy Greenland. Plans to make Canada the 51st state.

Hey, you Canucks: if I were you, I'd hold out for statehood for each of your ten provinces. Demand three more for your territories--as a negotiating position.

You really don't have to worry. Trump isn't competent enough to pull off most of what he says.


Thank you kindly Roland for the praise. I appreciate it.

You are correct. Trump has been doing such a good job this time around that even I am astounded. Cool


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
09 February 2025, 15:53
Saeed
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
You got your foot in first.



In where? His mouth?

Lane has his foot in his mouth more and more over the past year or so. Remember when he was a tepid Trump supporter at best--when he said he didn't like Trump, but would ride for the GOP brand, no matter who they barfed up for a candidate?

Now, he's reborn! Hallelujah! A true Trumpeteer!

Trump is playing five dimensional chess, while the MSM and Dems can't figure out checkers. His brilliant moves include threatening to renege on the Panama Canal lease we signed and both parties honored for 100 years. Threatening to take or buy Greenland. Plans to make Canada the 51st state.

Hey, you Canucks: if I were you, I'd hold out for statehood for each of your ten provinces. Demand three more for your territories--as a negotiating position.

You really don't have to worry. Trump isn't competent enough to pull off most of what he says.


Thank you kindly Roland for the praise. I appreciate it.

You are correct. Trump has been doing such a good job this time around that even I am astounded. Cool


Just wait!

The backlash will come soon enough.

Judges have already given him a kick up his sorry arse! rotflmo


www.accuratereloading.com
Instagram : ganyana2000
09 February 2025, 16:57
ledvm
Here is some good ole USAID at work


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
09 February 2025, 17:42
medved
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
You got your foot in first.



In where? His mouth?

Lane has his foot in his mouth more and more over the past year or so. Remember when he was a tepid Trump supporter at best--when he said he didn't like Trump, but would ride for the GOP brand, no matter who they barfed up for a candidate?

Now, he's reborn! Hallelujah! A true Trumpeteer!

Trump is playing five dimensional chess, while the MSM and Dems can't figure out checkers. His brilliant moves include threatening to renege on the Panama Canal lease we signed and both parties honored for 100 years. Threatening to take or buy Greenland. Plans to make Canada the 51st state. Hey, you Canucks: if I were you, I'd hold out for statehood for each of your ten provinces. Demand three more for your territories--as a negotiating position. Plans to make Canada the 51st state.



You really don't have to worry. Trump isn't competent enough to pull off most of what he says.


you might not have heard the news: i did not see a request for this and seems that even our prime minister on the go is not interested and the 3-4 willing to run to replace it are not either at least publicly ...
09 February 2025, 17:56
ledvm
As the 51st…I wonder if we could hunt brown/grizzly bear in BC again. coffee


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
09 February 2025, 17:58
Steve Bertram
America Alone...foreign policy written by a grade schooler patriot
09 February 2025, 18:13
Saeed
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
As the 51st…I wonder if we could hunt brown/grizzly bear in BC again. coffee


Keep on dreaming!

Best thing for a Trump worshipper! rotflmo


www.accuratereloading.com
Instagram : ganyana2000
09 February 2025, 18:36
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
quote:
You got your foot in first.



In where? His mouth?

Lane has his foot in his mouth more and more over the past year or so.

well, that's pretty nasty and unpleasant
So, here's rolland's self-analysis
quote:
Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
When I retired from law, I promised myself to never again get involved with nasty, unpleasant people.



opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
09 February 2025, 18:38
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
America Alone...foreign policy written by a grade schooler patriot


Well, at least even YOU can understand it


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
09 February 2025, 18:40
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
America Alone...foreign policy written by a grade schooler patriot


Well, at least even YOU can understand it


lol


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
09 February 2025, 21:54
medved
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
As the 51st…I wonder if we could hunt brown/grizzly bear in BC again. coffee


Keep on dreaming!

Best thing for a Trump worshipper! rotflmo
space

horse
09 February 2025, 21:55
crbutler
Near as I can tell, what Trump is doing with USAID is getting rid of a very inefficient and undoubtedly somewhat corrupt government organization.

The congress votes funds for foreign aid and that is undoubtedly not going to change, although the amounts might well.

I find myself agreeing that sending condoms to various countries where (at least the ones I have been to) have absolutely no intention of using them for the intended purpose out of some sort of idealistic rationale, or giving away food products to corrupt government agencies (not giving it directly to the folks needing it) is rather useless and corrupt.

Given how much money we have given to many places and the lack of effect on public opinion, it would seem to me that something isn't working with the international aid issue.

I don't necessarily think that Musk is going to replace the mess with a better version, but the current version is broken and maybe getting rid of the current lot and getting a different set of actors in place might get a better result... If nothing else, Trump's removal of the dead wood will allow a future administration to put someone with some competence in charge.

quote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by medved:
nobody mentionned it but i will ask what about the us farmers that usaid was buying from for wheat, soybeans and rice?

USAID, last year purchased $2 billion in U.S.-grown crops from corn and soybeans to wheat, sorghum, vegetable oil and peas.

USAID plays about 10% to 20% of the total [export] market.

interesting to say the least ...


you are only off by an order of magnitude - or two
quote:
The value of U.S. agricultural exports, not adjusting for inflation, peaked in fiscal year 2022 before declining in 2023. Total exports were valued at $178.7 billion in 2023,

2/179= 1.1%


Oh, and you mean the USAID food that is NORTORIOUSLY stolen by governments and strongmen, and rarely makes it to the poor? THAT USAID?


i do not know about the stolen part i was just asking a question about all those farmers that got some money from your own gvt and it will not happen anymore... i imagine a lot of you are eating sorgho or gozo lol ...

spending like a drunken sailor make no sense i do agree for sure but if you want to rule the world but not helping it i can guarantee the outcome ...

09 February 2025, 22:03
Steve Bertram
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
America Alone...foreign policy written by a grade schooler patriot


Well, at least even YOU can understand it


Jump for the orange man Daisey, jump. Good dog, sit. That a girl, now go lay down honey.
09 February 2025, 22:13
Steve Ahrenberg
quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
Near as I can tell, what Trump is doing with USAID is getting rid of a very inefficient and undoubtedly somewhat corrupt government organization.

The congress votes funds for foreign aid and that is undoubtedly not going to change, although the amounts might well.

I find myself agreeing that sending condoms to various countries where (at least the ones I have been to) have absolutely no intention of using them for the intended purpose out of some sort of idealistic rationale, or giving away food products to corrupt government agencies (not giving it directly to the folks needing it) is rather useless and corrupt.

Given how much money we have given to many places and the lack of effect on public opinion, it would seem to me that something isn't working with the international aid issue.

I don't necessarily think that Musk is going to replace the mess with a better version, but the current version is broken and maybe getting rid of the current lot and getting a different set of actors in place might get a better result... If nothing else, Trump's removal of the dead wood will allow a future administration to put someone with some competence in charge.

quote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by medved:
nobody mentionned it but i will ask what about the us farmers that usaid was buying from for wheat, soybeans and rice?

USAID, last year purchased $2 billion in U.S.-grown crops from corn and soybeans to wheat, sorghum, vegetable oil and peas.

USAID plays about 10% to 20% of the total [export] market.

interesting to say the least ...


you are only off by an order of magnitude - or two
quote:
The value of U.S. agricultural exports, not adjusting for inflation, peaked in fiscal year 2022 before declining in 2023. Total exports were valued at $178.7 billion in 2023,

2/179= 1.1%


Oh, and you mean the USAID food that is NORTORIOUSLY stolen by governments and strongmen, and rarely makes it to the poor? THAT USAID?


i do not know about the stolen part i was just asking a question about all those farmers that got some money from your own gvt and it will not happen anymore... i imagine a lot of you are eating sorgho or gozo lol ...

spending like a drunken sailor make no sense i do agree for sure but if you want to rule the world but not helping it i can guarantee the outcome ...


Like you, I have seen what the rural African lives like. Condoms aren't in the daily vernacular of the average rural African.

Truckers have unprotected sex daily on the road. The guys I have spent time with in hunting parties have normally 2-3 wives. 6-7 kids per wife. They don't see life through the same prism as Westerners or Europeans do.

Most Safaris involve some level of local travel. The trackers, skinners and game scouts are all out there looking for strange, everywhere we go.

Condom distribution is a joke. Looking at Doge savings as a negative seems like a loser to me.

I cannot think of one single American that thinks 45 million on promoting gay sex in South America is a wise use on our tax dollars. SMH


Formerly "Nganga"
09 February 2025, 22:38
TomP
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
America Alone...foreign policy written by a grade schooler patriot


In the proverbial purple crayon...


TomP

Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.

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09 February 2025, 22:46
Steve Bertram
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Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
America Alone...foreign policy written by a grade schooler patriot


In the proverbial purple crayon...


I would argue that the crayon is orange. Wink

Three dimensional chess indeed 2020
09 February 2025, 22:55
medved
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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
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Originally posted by crbutler:
Near as I can tell, what Trump is doing with USAID is getting rid of a very inefficient and undoubtedly somewhat corrupt government organization.

The congress votes funds for foreign aid and that is undoubtedly not going to change, although the amounts might well.

I find myself agreeing that sending condoms to various countries where (at least the ones I have been to) have absolutely no intention of using them for the intended purpose out of some sort of idealistic rationale, or giving away food products to corrupt government agencies (not giving it directly to the folks needing it) is rather useless and corrupt.

Given how much money we have given to many places and the lack of effect on public opinion, it would seem to me that something isn't working with the international aid issue.

I don't necessarily think that Musk is going to replace the mess with a better version, but the current version is broken and maybe getting rid of the current lot and getting a different set of actors in place might get a better result... If nothing else, Trump's removal of the dead wood will allow a future administration to put someone with some competence in charge.

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Originally posted by medved:
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
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Originally posted by medved:
nobody mentionned it but i will ask what about the us farmers that usaid was buying from for wheat, soybeans and rice?

USAID, last year purchased $2 billion in U.S.-grown crops from corn and soybeans to wheat, sorghum, vegetable oil and peas.

USAID plays about 10% to 20% of the total [export] market.

interesting to say the least ...


you are only off by an order of magnitude - or two
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The value of U.S. agricultural exports, not adjusting for inflation, peaked in fiscal year 2022 before declining in 2023. Total exports were valued at $178.7 billion in 2023,

2/179= 1.1%


Oh, and you mean the USAID food that is NORTORIOUSLY stolen by governments and strongmen, and rarely makes it to the poor? THAT USAID?


i do not know about the stolen part i was just asking a question about all those farmers that got some money from your own gvt and it will not happen anymore... i imagine a lot of you are eating sorgho or gozo lol ...

spending like a drunken sailor make no sense i do agree for sure but if you want to rule the world but not helping it i can guarantee the outcome ...


Like you, I have seen what the rural African lives like. Condoms aren't in the daily vernacular of the average rural African.

Truckers have unprotected sex daily on the road. The guys I have spent time with in hunting parties have normally 2-3 wives. 6-7 kids per wife. They don't see life through the same prism as Westerners or Europeans do.

Most Safaris involve some level of local travel. The trackers, skinners and game scouts are all out there looking for strange, everywhere we go.

Condom distribution is a joke. Looking at Doge savings as a negative seems like a loser to me.

I cannot think of one single American that thinks 45 million on promoting gay sex in South America is a wise use on our tax dollars. SMH


i agree with you Steve on that. the sentence you wrote They don't see life through the same prism as Westerners or Europeans do. sums up what i encountered when i lived and hunted in CAR ...
09 February 2025, 23:30
nute
There are endless worthy causes to support around the world and foreign aid by western or richer states to those in need can make a huge difference.

Ensuring that the aid gets to where it is intended and doesn't end up funding a govt officials next Mercedes should be paramount, as should ensuring it gets to those who need it most rather than that days fashionable/ politically correct cause.

There are millions who live on less than a dollar a day or don't have access to clean water or basic medication. These people need our help, and it would be a sad day if the US ceased providing aid.