NEVER forget Biden/Harris left our Proud Men and Woman to Die!!!Harris was PROUD of it. She said SHE was The Last One to Leave the Room after The Decision!!!

How soon they forget....

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Originally posted by Slider:
NEVER forget Biden/Harris left our Proud Men and Woman to Die!!!Harris was PROUD of it. She said SHE was The Last One to Leave the Room after The Decision!!!

You had 20 years there.

With successive governments.

Include a deranged draft dodging coward ruling you.

The Taliban, fighting an aggressive stupid bully, kicked your sorry arse!

They learned from the rice paddy farmers in Vietnam!

Remember that?

How long did it take for you to run away with your tails tucked between your legs?

How many successive governments?

Mind you bloody own business !

Sort your own affairs!

Oh, sorry.

You have the perfect choice to choose from.

Kamala or Trump??

NO Wars under Trump Presidency PERIOD!!!

Hasher seems to have to been replaced with someone more in keeping with the MAGA intelligence demographic.

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Originally posted by Slider:
NO Wars under Trump Presidency PERIOD!!!

Very true.

He went to kiss The North Korean president arse!

We know who cut the deal to leave, handing it over.

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Gold Star dad sends message to VP Harris 3 years after Abbey Gate attack: 'She owns this'

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Originally posted by MJines:
Hasher seems to have to been replaced with someone more in keeping with the MAGA intelligence demographic.

So what happened to Hasher, anyway? He was posting all over the board, claiming he wasn't going to allow liberals to ride roughshod over the forum.

He was a tough character. Kept getting his ass kicked verbally and going back for more.

Then he suddenly disappeared.

. . . a fart in a whirlwind. Slider will join him shortly . . . some new shiny object will come along to distract him.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Hasher seems to have to been replaced with someone more in keeping with the MAGA intelligence demographic.

I was thinking the same thing…

The lefties have free run of the PF.....Saeed just loves America haters and apologists......



Im,sure he'll have some trump remark.....

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The lefties have free run of the PF....

As opposed to the poor righties, who are brutally censored and oppressed here...

...if you count being regularly outwitted as "oppressed," that is.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
The lefties have free run of the PF.....Saeed just loves America haters and apologists......



Im,sure he'll have some trump remark.....

And anyone with an opposing view is kicked off American websites!

Not here.

And despite you and me being at loggerheads on politics here, next time you fly through Dubai let me know.

I will welcome you at my home and enjoy dinner together!

Us Texans always stick together!

Hasher must be hunting somewhere.

Last time he logged on here was 4th of this month.

Hunting? More probably still licking his wounds.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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The lefties have free run of the PF....

As opposed to the poor righties, who are brutally censored and oppressed here...

...if you count being regularly outwitted as "oppressed," that is.

Actually, those who have been here for a while know that we do not censor members.

Left wing nuts.

Right wing nuts.

And anyone in between, is free to post whatever they wish.

All provide us with great entertainment.

Ultimately, non of us any effect on the outside world

Except for GWB. He was censored.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Except for GWB. He was censored.

I got the boot for disagreeing with Don, it happens from time to time. I was poking the bear though....

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Except for GWB. He was censored.

Yes he was.

After having been asked to stop attacking others.

Several times.

He was allowed back in.

Decided he didn’t want to play by our rules.

So he no longer has access to AR.

Frankly, I would prefer to stay away from a place where I cannot play by their rules.

I would never have allowed myself to be banned.

I would leave on my own terms.

GWB was spamming yugely.

He was/is obviously a zealot, but over time he really went nutz.

I figured he is probably an interesting guy in person, like most Texans, but also like most Texans, he's very hardheaded and opinioned, far Right.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...v14?ocid=socialshare

Donald Trump Holds Responsibility for Afghanistan Withdraw, Ex-Adviser Says
Story by Aila Slisco • 9h • 3 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...e8ec29a819295&ei=140

Gen. McMaster Says There’s No Way He’d Work for ‘Very Offensive’ Trump Again
Story by Dan Ladden-Hall • 2h • 3 min read

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...v14?ocid=socialshare

Donald Trump Holds Responsibility for Afghanistan Withdraw, Ex-Adviser Says
Story by Aila Slisco • 9h • 3 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...e8ec29a819295&ei=140

Gen. McMaster Says There’s No Way He’d Work for ‘Very Offensive’ Trump Again
Story by Dan Ladden-Hall • 2h • 3 min read

Trump was in charge for years.

He did fuckall about it!

He left Biden with a bad situation.

He setup the pullout probably as some sort of political ploy and we don't know how he would have structured it.

One can figure the outcome would be practically the same since the same people in charge of implementation were available to Trump as they were to Biden.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
He left Biden with a bad situation.

He setup the pullout probably as some sort of political ploy and we don't know how he would have structured it.

One can figure the outcome would be practically the same since the same people in charge of implementation were available to Trump as they were to Biden.

The existing Afghan army was apparently in no real position to defend itself or the country so the Taliban pretty much overran them. One thing I heard is that the dogs that got left behind had their noses cut off as punishment for helping against the Taliban. MOTHERFUCKERS!

Of all the "assets" extracted, the dogs should have been top of list.

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Originally posted by wymple:
We know who cut the deal to leave, handing it over.

So you're saying that Biden/Harris followed President Trumps,plan on the pull out?

When they reversed every single other thing he did????

Really?

I was told by a commanding officer who'd been in Afghanistan several times that none of the stipulations for withdrawal were met by the Taliban. In other words America could have stopped the retreat any time it wanted or thought it should have because Taliban wasn't holding up their end. Regardless yeah the disaster of the withdrawal was 100% on Biden.

And I still say that alleviates no responsibility for the other three Commanders in Chief. They all had years to do it, they all failed. I would not, absolutely, positively would not ever support any of those four being Commander in Chief again.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I was told by a commanding officer who'd been in Afghanistan several times that none of the stipulations for withdrawal were met by the Taliban. In other words America could have stopped the retreat any time it wanted or thought it should have because Taliban wasn't holding up their end. Regardless yeah the disaster of the withdrawal was 100% on Biden.

And I still say that alleviates no responsibility for the other three Commanders in Chief. They all had years to do it, they all failed. I would not, absolutely, positively would not ever support any of those four being Commander in Chief again.

Basically you had twenty years of invasion and occupation.

End results you got what you deserve!

Invaders CANNOT put conditions on leaving the country THEY invaded!

With your high tech, and billions worth of military equipment.

Didn't work.

Got EXACTLY what you deserve.

You are good at this, wonder where next?

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I was told by a commanding officer who'd been in Afghanistan several times that none of the stipulations for withdrawal were met by the Taliban. In other words America could have stopped the retreat any time it wanted or thought it should have because Taliban wasn't holding up their end. Regardless yeah the disaster of the withdrawal was 100% on Biden.

And I still say that alleviates no responsibility for the other three Commanders in Chief. They all had years to do it, they all failed. I would not, absolutely, positively would not ever support any of those four being Commander in Chief again.

Did you ever read Trump's Doha Agreement between the US and the Taliban? The Afghani government at the time was cut out of the negotiations!

The Taliban's promises are right there in the treaty. They satisfied them all. (Please ask your friend what "stipulations" they failed to meet.) They agreed to engage in "negotiations" with the government for control of the country. They weren't even obligated to engage in good faith negotiations.

So they negotiated. They told the government to dissolve and give up control of the country. When the government refused, the Taliban carried on the war.

I blame Trump for making a wretched deal, and Biden for carrying it out. But someone needed to pull the plug on that disaster. Our withdrawal was never going to look pretty, no matter who presided over it.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I was told by a commanding officer who'd been in Afghanistan several times that none of the stipulations for withdrawal were met by the Taliban. In other words America could have stopped the retreat any time it wanted or thought it should have because Taliban wasn't holding up their end. Regardless yeah the disaster of the withdrawal was 100% on Biden.

And I still say that alleviates no responsibility for the other three Commanders in Chief. They all had years to do it, they all failed. I would not, absolutely, positively would not ever support any of those four being Commander in Chief again.

Did you ever read Trump's Doha Agreement between the US and the Taliban? The Afghani government at the time was cut out of the negotiations!

The Taliban's promises are right there in the treaty. They satisfied them all. (Please ask your friend what "stipulations" they failed to meet.) They agreed to engage in "negotiations" with the government for control of the country. They weren't even obligated to engage in good faith negotiations.

So they negotiated. They told the government to dissolve and give up control of the country. When the government refused, the Taliban carried on the war.

I blame Trump for making a wretched deal, and Biden for carrying it out. But someone needed to pull the plug on that disaster. Our withdrawal was never going to look pretty, no matter who presided over it.

Why should the taliban agree to a puppet government installed by a foreign invader?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4368d3c34db383&ei=41

Former Trump national security adviser slams old boss over Afghanistan withdrawal: 'Concessions to Taliban'
Story by Gabriel Hays • 17h • 3 min read

McMaster, a retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General, told network anchor Anderson Cooper that the former president’s decision to withdraw from Afghanistan while negotiating with Taliban leaders set the stage for the maligned U.S. pullout from the country under the Biden administration that led to the deaths of 13 U.S. service members.

"So, the whole premise of talking to the Taliban before you leave Afghanistan, why the heck were we even doing that?" McMasters said

Author of "At War with Ourselves," McMaster commented on Trump’s 2024 campaign promise that he would fire every U.S. official who contributed to the withdrawal if re-elected.

Cooper prompted him, stating, "You write in the book, ‘Trump established the first sound, long-term, low-cost strategy for Afghanistan and South Asia, but then abandoned that strategy and replicated the Obama policy of negotiating a withdrawal timeline with a terrorist organization, setting the stage for the Biden administration’s humiliating retreat from Kabul in August 2021.’"

He added, "You were out of the White House at the time that this was done. You write that you ‘watched with incredulity and revulsion as he directed an envoy to negotiate withdrawal with the Taliban.’ You would not have advised him to do that?"

"Absolutely, and I advised him to do quite the opposite of that in the run-up to what was his decision in August of 2017," McMaster replied, adding, "And I tell that story in detail in the book about how really, Trump made a tough decision and made, I think, what was the best available decision, and put into place in 2017 the first sustainable, reasoned approach to Afghanistan."

The former Trump adviser continued, "But, you know, Anderson, he couldn’t stick with the decision. He didn’t stick with the decision. And I think people were in his ear and manipulated him into, with these mantras of, you know, ‘end the endless wars’ and ‘Afghanistan is a graveyard of empires’ and so forth."

Cooper followed up by mentioning the heat President Biden has taken from the Trump camp for the withdrawal, and asked if Trump bears responsibility too.

McMaster responded by slamming Trump for talking to the Taliban about his plan to withdraw and argued that not even the Obama administration talked to terrorists when negotiating the pull-out of U.S. troops in Iraq.

He said, "the Obama administration didn’t negotiate with Al Qaeda in Iraq on the way out. And so, if we were going to leave, why not just leave? What happened in these series of negotiations and concessions to the Taliban, is we kind of threw the Afghans under the bus on the way out."

McMaster referred to that as "mistake one," and then mentioned Trump’s other blunders, saying he pressured the Afghan government to release Taliban prisoners as part of the deal, as well as getting the government to "stop the active targeting of the Taliban."

A U.S. review of the withdrawal led by the National Security Council, which was summarized by the White House in 2023, stated that Biden’s choices involving the situation were "severely constrained by conditions created by his predecessor."

There was no “concession to Taliban”

You were never in a position to dictate anything.

Losers dictate terms to brave men who kicked your sorry arse out??

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No one answered earlier?????? Slo joe and quemala followed president trumps withdrawal plan?????,is,that what you are saying????

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Originally posted by JTEX:
No one answered earlier?????? Slo joe and quemala followed president trumps withdrawal plan?????,is,that what you are saying????

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You might be a bit slow in learning.

FACTS are you had your sorry arse handed to you.

Just like happened in Vietnam.

You had different governments in power during all these stupid adventures.

Both places should never have had a drop of American blood wasted on them.....the stone age dwellers that didn't desrve....or even comprehend what was available to them.....still dont.

And you would be right back to living in a tent if the evil west didn't provide you protection......

Or hiding in England like most Arab Royal do when things get hairy in the sandbox