No, not the Covid masks - the masks being worn by these ‘law enforcement’ groups, if in fact that’s what they are.

How can you tell a real LEO from a belligerent Proud Boy or an Oath Keeper who gets off on bullying people?

Don’t the have the same obligation to identify themselves as the citizens they confront? Why were masks mocked and scorned when they were worn to prevent infection - but now they’re taken for granted when they’re worn to conceal the identity of Government agants?

Masked law enforcement officers, humvees and armed troops patrolling the streets, the image is more of a totalitarian state than that of a free country. I feel pretty confident that despite what the MAGAts will say to defend Trump, that is not the image they have of their America either.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
No, not the Covid masks - the masks being worn by these ‘law enforcement’ groups, if in fact that’s what they are.

How can you tell a real LEO from a belligerent Proud Boy or an Oath Keeper who gets off on bullying people?

Don’t the have the same obligation to identify themselves as the citizens they confront? Why were masks mocked and scorned when they were worn to prevent infection - but now they’re taken for granted when they’re worn to conceal the identity of Government agants?

I dimly remember Opus1's humor about wearing a mask into the bank and not causing a scene...

Uncle Sam. Miami Vice. When it comes to recruiting new Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, the Trump administration is getting creative.

A social-media campaign launched late last month touted immigration enforcement as an opportunity for father-son bonding and to “deport illegals with your absolute boys,” a slang term for close friends. The Department of Homeland Security has invoked world-war-era imagery and touted 1990s Superman actor Dean Cain in an all-out blitz to persuade Americans they should join ICE’s ranks.

The federal government also offered hefty incentives: up to $50,000 in signing bonuses and up to $60,000 in student loan forgiveness. No undergraduate degree is required. DHS also lifted the age cap for law-enforcement roles, opening a deportation officer position specifically for people over 40, and tried to woo back retired law-enforcement officials with a “return to mission” campaign.

“America has been invaded by criminals and predators,” the agency says on its recruiting website. “We need YOU to get them out.”

President Trump’s massive tax and spending bill allocated more than $150 billion for immigration enforcement, kicking off a rapid effort to scale operations and fulfill his goal of carrying out the largest deportation effort in U.S. history.

ICE deported 144,000 people through the end of June, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of government data released by the Deportation Data Project. That is slightly more than the 136,854 people deported during the same time last year under the Biden administration, ICE data showed.

Lets ask Elian?

Pretty soon masks won't defeat facial recognition.

There need to be Federal laws (with teeth) against Swatting and Doxxing to protect EVERYONE involved.

The Swattings are especially concerning.

Below is a link to an article on the subject from the National Association of Attorneys General, dated: August 12, 2025.


https://www.naag.org/attorney-...and-legal-responses/

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As long as agents families are being threatened, and they have been. I'm fine with it.
I watch closely when they show raids. I see ID on vests, tabs on collars and armbands,
Could there be some with ID covered? Maybe. But I spot them when given camera angles to see them.

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Originally posted by theback40:
As long as agents families are being threatened, and they have been. I'm fine with it.
I watch closely when they show raids. I see ID on vests, tabs on collars and armbands,
Could there be some with ID covered? Maybe. But I spot them when given camera angles to see them.

as it's ILLEGAL to impersonate a LEO, the tags on the flak jackets are good enough for me - you might beat the rap , but you won't beat the ride


not even cops have their ACTUAL IDs presented - just badge number -- and during covid, every leo in the country was masked --

why are deMS-13 mad about it now?

ID as in police, ICE, BP etc.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Pretty soon masks won't defeat facial recognition.

There need to be Federal laws (with teeth) against Swatting and Doxxing to protect EVERYONE involved.

The Swattings are especially concerning.

Below is a link to an article on the subject from the National Association of Attorneys General, dated: August 12, 2025.


https://www.naag.org/attorney-...and-legal-responses/

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Severe penalties!!!!!!

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" I feel pretty confident that despite what the MAGAts will say to defend Trump, that is not the image they have of their America either."

I don't.

It sure doesn't make Americs look good to have masked agents abducting people off the street, at work, or at home.

It looks great to have thousands of unknown people walking into the country though?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
It sure doesn't make Americs look good to have masked agents abducting people off the street, at work, or at home.

where, tf, were you during covid, little jimmy?

you area riot of inconsistencies

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
It looks great to have thousands of unknown people walking into the country though?

No, that's not okay. Where did I say that it is?

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
As long as agents families are being threatened, and they have been. I'm fine with it.
I watch closely when they show raids. I see ID on vests, tabs on collars and armbands,
Could there be some with ID covered? Maybe. But I spot them when given camera angles to see them.

as it's ILLEGAL to impersonate a LEO, the tags on the flak jackets are good enough for me - you might beat the rap , but you won't beat the ride


not even cops have their ACTUAL IDs presented - just badge number -- and during covid, every leo in the country was masked --

why are deMS-13 mad about it now?

Yeah. After all, Isis fighters wear masks, why should we not afford the same opportunity to our law enforcement people?
In truth, it probably doesn't mean a lot. In the early sixties, cops beating on people in Alabama didn't wear masks, but they hit just as hard. I don't believe it is a good look though. Bill.

Government employees should NEVER wear masks.

And those idiots who publish addresses and phone numbers of these should be banned from social media and imprisoned.

If the social media refuse to ban them, arrest the head of that media.

In fact, you might start with Zuckerberg.

Yesterday he was asking Trump what they should publish to please him!

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Originally posted by MJines:
Masked law enforcement officers, humvees and armed troops patrolling the streets, the image is more of a totalitarian state than that of a free country. I feel pretty confident that despite what the MAGAts will say to defend Trump, that is not the image they have of their America either.

I like it much better than vagrant infested crime riddled cities. I have no problem with running into NG on the streets in cities.

As for ICE…all you would have to see is the before and after pics of my south Texas property. Within a couple of months of Trump it is safe and usable again with virtually zero human traffic. MAGA!

I don't want to live in a police state or see our military used for domestic policing.

That is not the America that I know and love.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I don't want to live in a police state or see our military used for domestic policing.

That is not the America that I know and love.

and alas this is the one now you are in.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Masked law enforcement officers, humvees and armed troops patrolling the streets, the image is more of a totalitarian state than that of a free country. I feel pretty confident that despite what the MAGAts will say to defend Trump, that is not the image they have of their America either.

I like it much better than vagrant infested crime riddled cities. I have no problem with running into NG on the streets in cities.

As for ICE…all you would have to see is the before and after pics of my south Texas property. Within a couple of months of Trump it is safe and usable again with virtually zero human traffic. MAGA!

Do we still need a 30-foot wall across wildlife migration routes, then?

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I don't want to live in a police state or see our military used for domestic policing.

That is not the America that I know and love.

The America I know and love didn’t have vagrants ruining our inner cities.

Will take the Guard over vagrancy and crime all day long every day. And, so will most Americans. Being against making cities safe again is LOSING issue…but carry on.

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Originally posted by TomP:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Masked law enforcement officers, humvees and armed troops patrolling the streets, the image is more of a totalitarian state than that of a free country. I feel pretty confident that despite what the MAGAts will say to defend Trump, that is not the image they have of their America either.

I like it much better than vagrant infested crime riddled cities. I have no problem with running into NG on the streets in cities.

As for ICE…all you would have to see is the before and after pics of my south Texas property. Within a couple of months of Trump it is safe and usable again with virtually zero human traffic. MAGA!

Do we still need a 30-foot wall across wildlife migration routes, then?

Rifle bullets always suited me better. But some fence is needed and effective.

Please elaborate on the wildlife mitigation that takes place on the border. I am interested in your thoughts as I have roamed a lot of it for a lifetime.

Probably more about trying to escape instant identification by the cartels. Retaliation is a thing.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
I don't want to live in a police state or see our military used for domestic policing.

That is not the America that I know and love.

The America I know and love didn’t have vagrants ruining our inner cities.

Will take the Guard over vagrancy and crime all day long every day. And, so will most Americans. Being against making cities safe again is LOSING issue…but carry on.

. . . maybe we should exterminate those pesky vagrants too . . . or ship them to Gaza and let Israel do it for us. Gonna be more of those vagrants with the Redneck Rescission that Trump's economic policies is generating.

If you are worried about a recession…please stop commenting on economics.

The economy is strong…especially in north Texas.

Vagrants should definitely be removed from cities. I prefer Bill Walton’s plan.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
If you are worried about a recession…please stop commenting on economics.

Oh I am not the one worried . . . noted economists and major investment banks are . . . probability has more than doubled since January, wait was that when Trump was sworn in, funny that.

Recession probability surges to 93%: UBS

Moody's Chief Economist Says the US Is 'on the Precipice' of a Recession

Ignorance is bliss, you prove that daily.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
If you are worried about a recession…please stop commenting on economics.

Oh I am not the one worried . . . noted economists and major investment banks are . . . probability has more than doubled since January, wait was that when Trump was sworn in, funny that.

Recession probability surges to 93%: UBS

Moody's Chief Economist Says the US Is 'on the Precipice' of a Recession

Ignorance is bliss, you prove that daily.

A hypnotized man will pick up a rattlesnake if he’s been convinced it’s a golden rope.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Masked law enforcement officers, humvees and armed troops patrolling the streets, the image is more of a totalitarian state than that of a free country. I feel pretty confident that despite what the MAGAts will say to defend Trump, that is not the image they have of their America either.

I like it much better than vagrant infested crime riddled cities. I have no problem with running into NG on the streets in cities.

As for ICE…all you would have to see is the before and after pics of my south Texas property. Within a couple of months of Trump it is safe and usable again with virtually zero human traffic. MAGA!

Well we could see them if you would post them. If you don't know how to do that email them to me and I will post them for you.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
If you are worried about a recession…please stop commenting on economics.

Oh I am not the one worried . . . noted economists and major investment banks are . . . probability has more than doubled since January, wait was that when Trump was sworn in, funny that.

Recession probability surges to 93%: UBS

Moody's Chief Economist Says the US Is 'on the Precipice' of a Recession

Ignorance is bliss, you prove that daily.

No one of credibility believes there is going to be a recession. Your continuance on your “becoming woke from a once sane individual journey” is the only thing proven daily. What happened?

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
It sure doesn't make Americs look good to have masked agents abducting people off the street, at work, or at home.

"Abducting" or arresting?
There is a difference between the two.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
If you are worried about a recession…please stop commenting on economics.

Oh I am not the one worried . . . noted economists and major investment banks are . . . probability has more than doubled since January, wait was that when Trump was sworn in, funny that.

Recession probability surges to 93%: UBS

Moody's Chief Economist Says the US Is 'on the Precipice' of a Recession

Ignorance is bliss, you prove that daily.

No one of credibility believes there is going to be a recession. Your continuance on your “becoming woke from a once sane individual journey” is the only thing proven daily. What happened?

You're like Trump, don't like the message, fire or attack the messenger. Doesn't it stink in there?

quote:

Originally posted by BNagel:
Probably more about trying to escape instant identification by the cartels. Retaliation is a thing.

I've read that more than once and I find it believable.

I still distrust the militarization of civilian law enforcement. I don't care to be called a civilian by someone not a Marine. Law enforcement should be local, on the street, out in public and available. I don't like the idea of masks, tactical gear etc,.... Law enforcement should be approachable and trusted. If a military style response is appropriate call out the National Guard.

I also believe civilian law enforcement should be supported and respected, valued. These recent years and events have left civilian law enforcement no doubt they chose the wrong line of work. There's no way "the authorities " should have to repeatedly back up, back down, back off and twist themselves in contortions to pacify a circumstance. A Perp that threatens an armed officer needs to get shot or at least the shit beat out of them after the first time they make the threat, not the 20th.

quote:

Originally posted by BNagel:
Probably more about trying to escape instant identification by the cartels. Retaliation is a thing.

we have a winner -- but there are the foolish and the ignorant that deny, in many aspects, the impacts of the cartels and gangs -

"man up" they say - while denying the the gangs and cartels FREQUENTLY perform horrific killings of enemies, civilians, and their families --


those having little hissy fits, trying to say "they are disappearing people" (referencing, ironically, argentia under perron ways that perron "disappeared" POLITICAL enemies in the dead of night) are full of stuffing - broad daylight, 10+ guys in DHS/DEA/ATF/FBI badges in high contrast is a LEVEL effort ..

but you are LYING HYPOCRITES -
see waco and little elian - oh yeah, and the legit death threats to SCOTUS members

Protect those protecting us is a priority

fomenting attacks on the those that are actually LAW ABIDING -- well, deMS-13 are the founders of the klan and all the "jim crow" laws -- so, we can't expect much in maturity from them

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by BNagel:
Probably more about trying to escape instant identification by the cartels. Retaliation is a thing.

I've read that more than once and I find it believable.

I still distrust the militarization of civilian law enforcement. I don't care to be called a civilian by someone not a Marine. Law enforcement should be local, on the street, out in public and available. I don't like the idea of masks, tactical gear etc,.... Law enforcement should be approachable and trusted. If a military style response is appropriate call out the National Guard.

I also believe civilian law enforcement should be supported and respected, valued. These recent years and events have left civilian law enforcement no doubt they chose the wrong line of work. There's no way "the authorities " should have to repeatedly back up, back down, back off and twist themselves in contortions to pacify a circumstance. A Perp that threatens an armed officer needs to get shot or at least the shit beat out of them after the first time they make the threat, not the 20th.

Scott,
interesting factoid - the LAPD was the first "swat" team, which was the first step in militarization of policing in the US -

Frankly, i grew up "in mayberry", and i wish that crime AND police were the same as back then -- but if wishes were horses, then dreamers would ride . I WISH that police didn't have to wear 3a armor to come home -- and I wish i win the lotto, neither are reality

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by BNagel:
Probably more about trying to escape instant identification by the cartels. Retaliation is a thing.

I've read that more than once and I find it believable.

I still distrust the militarization of civilian law enforcement. I don't care to be called a civilian by someone not a Marine. Law enforcement should be local, on the street, out in public and available. I don't like the idea of masks, tactical gear etc,.... Law enforcement should be approachable and trusted. If a military style response is appropriate call out the National Guard.

I also believe civilian law enforcement should be supported and respected, valued. These recent years and events have left civilian law enforcement no doubt they chose the wrong line of work. There's no way "the authorities " should have to repeatedly back up, back down, back off and twist themselves in contortions to pacify a circumstance. A Perp that threatens an armed officer needs to get shot or at least the shit beat out of them after the first time they make the threat, not the 20th.

Scott,
interesting factoid - the LAPD was the first "swat" team, which was the first step in militarization of policing in the US -

Frankly, i grew up "in mayberry", and i wish that crime AND police were the same as back then -- but if wishes were horses, then dreamers would ride . I WISH that police didn't have to wear 3a armor to come home -- and I wish i win the lotto, neither are reality

Doesn't have to be the way it is today.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
If you are worried about a recession…please stop commenting on economics.

Oh I am not the one worried . . . noted economists and major investment banks are . . . probability has more than doubled since January, wait was that when Trump was sworn in, funny that.

Recession probability surges to 93%: UBS

Moody's Chief Economist Says the US Is 'on the Precipice' of a Recession

Ignorance is bliss, you prove that daily.

No one of credibility believes there is going to be a recession. Your continuance on your “becoming woke from a once sane individual journey” is the only thing proven daily. What happened?

I will save this comment for later. One of us will eat crow. Maybe me...

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by BNagel:
Probably more about trying to escape instant identification by the cartels. Retaliation is a thing.

I've read that more than once and I find it believable.

I still distrust the militarization of civilian law enforcement. I don't care to be called a civilian by someone not a Marine. Law enforcement should be local, on the street, out in public and available. I don't like the idea of masks, tactical gear etc,.... Law enforcement should be approachable and trusted. If a military style response is appropriate call out the National Guard.

I also believe civilian law enforcement should be supported and respected, valued. These recent years and events have left civilian law enforcement no doubt they chose the wrong line of work. There's no way "the authorities " should have to repeatedly back up, back down, back off and twist themselves in contortions to pacify a circumstance. A Perp that threatens an armed officer needs to get shot or at least the shit beat out of them after the first time they make the threat, not the 20th.

Scott,
interesting factoid - the LAPD was the first "swat" team, which was the first step in militarization of policing in the US -

Frankly, i grew up "in mayberry", and i wish that crime AND police were the same as back then -- but if wishes were horses, then dreamers would ride . I WISH that police didn't have to wear 3a armor to come home -- and I wish i win the lotto, neither are reality

Doesn't have to be the way it is today.

totally agree, except the cartels and gangs horrifically murder "rivels" .. el greso -- where that handcuff the "villain" put them in a stack of tires, pour diesel over it and light it on fire -- or hang the "villain" from the international bridge, with all their family - "shouldn't" and reality are often in conflict

let's not forget the cartel fav - stealing children of the "villain" and putting them in sexual slavery

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by BNagel:
Probably more about trying to escape instant identification by the cartels. Retaliation is a thing.

I've read that more than once and I find it believable.

I still distrust the militarization of civilian law enforcement. I don't care to be called a civilian by someone not a Marine. Law enforcement should be local, on the street, out in public and available. I don't like the idea of masks, tactical gear etc,.... Law enforcement should be approachable and trusted. If a military style response is appropriate call out the National Guard.

I also believe civilian law enforcement should be supported and respected, valued. These recent years and events have left civilian law enforcement no doubt they chose the wrong line of work. There's no way "the authorities " should have to repeatedly back up, back down, back off and twist themselves in contortions to pacify a circumstance. A Perp that threatens an armed officer needs to get shot or at least the shit beat out of them after the first time they make the threat, not the 20th.

Scott,
interesting factoid - the LAPD was the first "swat" team, which was the first step in militarization of policing in the US -

Frankly, i grew up "in mayberry", and i wish that crime AND police were the same as back then -- but if wishes were horses, then dreamers would ride . I WISH that police didn't have to wear 3a armor to come home -- and I wish i win the lotto, neither are reality

Doesn't have to be the way it is today.

totally agree, except the cartels and gangs horrifically murder "rivels" .. el greso -- where that handcuff the "villain" put them in a stack of tires, pour diesel over it and light it on fire -- or hang the "villain" from the international bridge, with all their family - "shouldn't" and reality are often in conflict

let's not forget the cartel fav - stealing children of the "villain" and putting them in sexual slavery

See my last paragraph.

I believe "the authorities " response should be appropriate. Use municipal police where appropriate, National Guard or State Police where appropriate, The Marines where appropriate. I would no more feel comfortable setting municipal police against Cartels than I would using Sesl Team 6 as meter maids.