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Originally posted by ledvm:
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I guess the joint chiefs hate the military as well…or they would simply remove the policy used by 12 members.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Well.....since Biden was elected recruitment has tanked....soooo...



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But this tacit tradition — technically a crime — largely stopped in 2022, the same year the military’s recruiting numbers fell precipitously and today’s recruiting crisis came to the fore.

That year, the Defense Department brought a new medical records platform, known as Military Health System Genesis, online at Military Entrance Processing Stations, where applicants are medically examined before they can sign up.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
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I guess the joint chiefs hate the military as well…or they would simply remove the policy used by 12 members.

Because your side does not have to votes to pass legislation preventing the policy.

Because your side is wrong on abortion as numerous elections have shown.

Because Sen. Tuberville liked to his GOO colleges to allow individual votes. We know this because a GOP Senator told us in the Floor of the Senate. However, Dr. Easter’s religiosity does not care if a politician lies, so long as he agrees with the lies.

Because what you guys want is not relevant to the operation of the military. The appointment of Generals, Joint Chiefs, Marine Corpse Commandant, and senior civilian personnel who have control over the military as a check and balance on the military is relevant to the operation of the military.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
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I guess the joint chiefs hate the military as well…or they would simply remove the policy used by 12 members.

Because your side does not have to votes to pass legislation preventing the policy.

Because your side is wrong on abortion as numerous elections have shown.

Elections may be a referendum on popularity…they have zero to do with right and wrong. Doing wrong is popular with many…no doubt.

That said, I am quite confident I and Tommy are on the “right” side of things.

Because Sen. Tuberville liked to his GOO colleges to allow individual votes. We know this because a GOP Senator told us in the Floor of the Senate. However, Dr. Easter’s religiosity does not care if a politician lies, so long as he agrees with the lies.

One word against another.

Because what you guys want is not relevant to the operation of the military.

Exactly. ^^^ It is not relevant to every day operation of the military. Hence why if the Joint Chiefs actually gave a damn about the military personnel getting promoted…they would drop this policy.

The appointment of Generals, Joint Chiefs, Marine Corpse Commandant, and senior civilian personnel who have control over the military as a check and balance on the military is relevant to the operation of the military.

A simple policy change and it happens. Kudos to Senator Tuberville for holding the line…a man of conviction.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I thought there already was a law stating that the military was not to provide/perform abortions?

This was the Secdef deciding on this policy.

The military is subject to the civilian leadership. While I could see the JCS saying that the secdef was violating the law, they all serve at the pleasure of the president, and this is Biden's baby. I suspect any service chair who did not follow it would be told to submit his resignation.

It certainly is against the spirit of the law.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
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I guess the joint chiefs hate the military as well…or they would simply remove the policy used by 12 members.

Because your side does not have to votes to pass legislation preventing the policy.

Because your side is wrong on abortion as numerous elections have shown.

Because Sen. Tuberville liked to his GOO colleges to allow individual votes. We know this because a GOP Senator told us in the Floor of the Senate. However, Dr. Easter’s religiosity does not care if a politician lies, so long as he agrees with the lies.

Because what you guys want is not relevant to the operation of the military. The appointment of Generals, Joint Chiefs, Marine Corpse Commandant, and senior civilian personnel who have control over the military as a check and balance on the military is relevant to the operation of the military.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Take out the paid travel and all will be fine. A relatively simple solution.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Paying for travel specifically to get an abortion IS using taxpayer money to facilitate abortion.

If the Joint Chiefs cared about the promotions of deserving officers…they would simply dispense with this.

Easy peasy lemon squeezey.

As you know…never been in the military. Is your memory getting that bad?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ledvm:
Take out the paid travel and all will be fine. A relatively simple solution.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ledvm:
Take out the paid travel and all will be fine. A relatively simple solution.

The DOD pays for servicemembers to travel all over the world for a multitude of reasons, are they now to get approval from you and Senator Tuberville in advance? Maybe, if the Hyde amendment is being violated. With thirty days leave a year, I’m not sure that time off , per diem(?) and travel pay are necessary for the good of the service, particularly since laws, to my simple mind, prohibit such payments.

What would your combined military experience amount to?

I’m a progeny of Tun Tavern. 1966-1973. A-4 Skyhawk pilot. Captain [QUOTE/]

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ledvm:
Take out the paid travel and all will be fine. A relatively simple solution.

The DOD pays for servicemembers to travel all over the world for a multitude of reasons, are they now to get approval from you and Senator Tuberville in advance? Maybe, if the Hyde amendment is being violated. With thirty days leave a year, I’m not sure that time off , per diem(?) and travel pay are necessary for the good of the service, particularly since laws, to my simple mind, prohibit such payments.

What would your combined military experience amount to?

I’m a progeny of Tun Tavern. 1966-1973. A-4 Skyhawk pilot. Captain [QUOTE/]

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I would have to see the wording. I am in doubt that the word “perform” is in the law.

It is my understanding that no Federal Funding to be used towards abortion.

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202.None of the funds appropriated by this title shall be available to pay for an abortion, except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term, or in the case of rape or incest: Provided, That should this prohibition be declared unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction, this section shall be null and void.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
“No Federal funds are being spent to perfprm abortions under this policy.”

Kinda on a slippery slope with that argument. Does that mean that (on a continuum) the only unlawful Federal money would be if paid directly to the abortionist? Or, at the opposite end of the slope, are the Federal funds used to power the laptop used to apply for travel to the clinic prohibited?
Travel and time off with pay seem to me pretty clear Hyde violations. The computer, maybe not a sufficient nexus.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
“No Federal funds are being spent to perfprm abortions under this policy.”

Kinda on a slippery slope with that argument. Does that mean that (on a continuum) the only unlawful Federal money would be if paid directly to the abortionist? Or, at the opposite end of the slope, are the Federal funds used to power the laptop used to apply for travel to the clinic prohibited?
Travel and time off with pay seem to me pretty clear Hyde violations. The computer, maybe not a sufficient nexus.

I assume you were typing this when I posted what is in every appropriations Bill. Those provisions all read "pay for". A textualist would interpret that literally.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
“No Federal funds are being spent to perfprm abortions under this policy.”

Kinda on a slippery slope with that argument. Does that mean that (on a continuum) the only unlawful Federal money would be if paid directly to the abortionist? Or, at the opposite end of the slope, are the Federal funds used to power the laptop used to apply for travel to the clinic prohibited?
Travel and time off with pay seem to me pretty clear Hyde violations. The computer, maybe not a sufficient nexus.

I assume you were typing this when I posted what is in every appropriations Bill. Those provisions all read "pay for". A textualist would interpret that literally.

I got interrupted while typing and didn’t mean to post yet. That said, would literal interpretation allow rental of the operating theater, the anesthesia, the instruments, the malpractice insurance, staff, travel to the site etc. ad nauseam…. Just so long as the weilder of the rotor rooter doesn’t collect. Somewhere, the nexus of the acts performed is sufficiently related to the result to make “pay for” a real prohibition.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I would have to see the wording. I am in doubt that the word “perform” is in the law.

It is my understanding that no Federal Funding to be used towards abortion.

In reality (you remember that place, don't you?) there is no single "Hyde Amendment", merely a provision inserted into each section of every Appropriations Law. This is a representative example from the funding for DOJ in 2022:

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202.None of the funds appropriated by this title shall be available to pay for an abortion, except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term, or in the case of rape or incest: Provided, That should this prohibition be declared unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction, this section shall be null and void.

The Department of Defense has lawyers on staff.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I would have to see the wording. I am in doubt that the word “perform” is in the law.

It is my understanding that no Federal Funding to be used towards abortion.

In reality (you remember that place, don't you?) there is no single "Hyde Amendment", merely a provision inserted into each section of every Appropriations Law. This is a representative example from the funding for DOJ in 2022:

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202.None of the funds appropriated by this title shall be available to pay for an abortion, except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term, or in the case of rape or incest: Provided, That should this prohibition be declared unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction, this section shall be null and void.

The Department of Defense has lawyers on staff.

I interpret that to include paid travel ‘specifically’ to get one.

I would give good odds a court would as well.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I would have to see the wording. I am in doubt that the word “perform” is in the law.

It is my understanding that no Federal Funding to be used towards abortion.

In reality (you remember that place, don't you?) there is no single "Hyde Amendment", merely a provision inserted into each section of every Appropriations Law. This is a representative example from the funding for DOJ in 2022:

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202.None of the funds appropriated by this title shall be available to pay for an abortion, except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term, or in the case of rape or incest: Provided, That should this prohibition be declared unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction, this section shall be null and void.

The Department of Defense has lawyers on staff.

I interpret that to include paid travel ‘specifically’ to get one.

I would give good odds a court would as well.

So sue, you're always telling us how successful you are, a couple million for lawyers won't make a dent.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I disagree.

Drive a bank robber to the bank with the intent to facilitate a robbery and when arrested, tell the jury that clearly there wasn’t sufficient nexus to get convicted as a party to the crime.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
If Democrats want a viable candidate in 2024, they should encourage (and participate in) your impeachment suggestion themselves.