Looks like GOPer congress is going to cut funding for NPR and PBS

26 July 2025, 05:06

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Shanks
Maggie thinks being consistent is a character flaw

Yeah. it's also chosen, singled out, and presented out of context. It's tiring and pathetic.
I'll make no bones about it, I dislike this thread immensely. I do not enjoy having to point this stuff out in defence of accusations and would much rather talk about red heads, goats and single shots.

26 July 2025, 05:11

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
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Originally posted by shankspony:
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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
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Originally posted by shankspony:
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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yes indeed who would have thought your denial would lead to so much.

So let me get this straight. Your simple demand is that I agree with your interpretation of my statement and discuss an opinion I don't hold?

That my refusal to agree and repeated attempts to explain is not good enough.

That its acceptable to superimpose your interpretation into every statement or question and expect me to answer on those grounds?

At least acknowledge that I have a valid point.

You can't do that.

And the problem, as evidenced by so many pages in this thread, is the diversion from the point.

And it's not just the point re PBS and the censor thing, because of the deflection it has expanded.

And I don't call what you did is an attempt to explain. Instead it's about being "consistent"

What you have written is pretty much proving my statement above.

That's the point and the problem.

"Your simple demand is that I agree with your interpretation of my statement"

What demand?

"That its acceptable to superimpose your interpretation into every statement or question and expect me to answer on those grounds?"

Flip it.

The only thing I have or would ask you, is to cease. Now Im sure you have a million examples of me making an interpretation of your words. But I have not stipulated you agree or accept them as proposition for further discussion.

We can and should have agreed to disagree a long time ago. And I have been ready to accept that impasse twice all ready. So its over too you.
But I will remain on my path, as long as you continue on yours.

26 July 2025, 05:12

Magine Enigam

quote:
I dislike this thread immensely.

Me too.

"Maggie thinks being consistent is a character flaw"

Who is Maggie?

There has to be something to do with character flaw in intentionally demeaning someone by calling him Maggie. Could that be psycho manipulation intending harm? It's also consistent.

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26 July 2025, 05:14

Magine Enigam

quote:
But I will remain on my path, as long as you continue on yours.

Consistent? A virtue?

Hummm

26 July 2025, 05:17

shankspony

Yes consistent.

But why not quote the whole thing? Again you are trying to present a quality as negative.
provocation and continuance.

26 July 2025, 05:18

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
I dislike this thread immensely.

Me too.

"Maggie thinks being consistent is a character flaw"

Who is Maggie?

There has to be something to do with character flaw in intentionally demeaning someone by calling him Maggie. Could that be psycho manipulation intending harm? It's also consistent.

who you quoting??
response time under record .. but CLOSE

if you are confused to whom it pertains to, how can you be offended?

sweet little summer child

you are physiologically an adult .. you COULD try to act like one

26 July 2025, 05:21

shankspony

I see you changed your post... which is ironic..

Virtue.

Consistency can be a virtue, or not depending on the circumstance.

I dont think you are in a position to judge that right now.

26 July 2025, 05:24

Magine Enigam

quote:
The only thing I have or would ask you, is to cease. Now Im sure you have a million examples of me making an interpretation of your words. But I have not stipulated you agree or accept them as proposition for further discussion.

We can and should have agreed to disagree a long time ago.

That's correct, you claim discussion is a worthy goal, yet interpretations of the other's words are not an opening for discussion. I have "discussed" it. You have deflected.

We could have agreed to disagree a long time ago, but IMO, it's too late for that. You pushed too far.

26 July 2025, 05:25

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Yes consistent.

But why not quote the whole thing? Again you are trying to present a quality as negative.
provocation and continuance.

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
I see you changed your post... which is ironic..

Virtue.

Consistency can be a virtue, or not depending on the circumstance.

I dont think you are in a position to judge that right now.

I think you misjudge my "position".

I know several Rightists, family, who are "consistent" ideologically.

What's the difference in consistent and rigid, when we're talking about Rightists?

Rigid ideology is not a virtue. It's actually the root of the polarization and so much more, such as vulnerability to a demagogue and Trump's manipulation.

I certainly don't think of that as a "quality". I think of it as a curse on the nation.

26 July 2025, 05:26

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
The only thing I have or would ask you, is to cease. Now Im sure you have a million examples of me making an interpretation of your words. But I have not stipulated you agree or accept them as proposition for further discussion.

We can and should have agreed to disagree a long time ago.

That's correct, you claim discussion is a worthy goal, yet interpretations of the other's words are not an opening for discussion. I have "discussed" it. You have deflected.

We could have agreed to disagree a long time ago, but IMO, it's too late for that. You pushed too far.

OH NO .. whatever shall we do? maggie done drawd a line in the sand .. "pushed it too far" ...

seriously? he hasn't used YOUR tactic, of calling a reasonable person every vulgar name in the book, tried to karen out, and then called for help?

poor
little
thang

in 3,2,1 ...

still quoting yourself in your sig? awwww well, at least it's written at a level you won't need AI to decipher it for you

26 July 2025, 05:27

shankspony

Look, Ive offered an olive branch of impasse.

I dislike dismantling you like this. which is just how I see it.

You seem to have ignored it. I dont understand why you would wish to keep this going.

26 July 2025, 05:30

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
The only thing I have or would ask you, is to cease. Now Im sure you have a million examples of me making an interpretation of your words. But I have not stipulated you agree or accept them as proposition for further discussion.

We can and should have agreed to disagree a long time ago.

That's correct, you claim discussion is a worthy goal, yet interpretations of the other's words are not an opening for discussion. I have "discussed" it. You have deflected.

We could have agreed to disagree a long time ago, but IMO, it's too late for that. You pushed too far.

And I disagree with that assessment. No surprises there. I think if you recall I tried to stop calling this worthy discussion quite some time back. You insisted it was.

26 July 2025, 05:31

shankspony

What do you hope to achieve ME?

26 July 2025, 05:39

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Yes consistent.

But why not quote the whole thing? Again you are trying to present a quality as negative.
provocation and continuance.

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
I see you changed your post... which is ironic..

Virtue.

Consistency can be a virtue, or not depending on the circumstance.

I dont think you are in a position to judge that right now.

I think you misjudge my "position".

I know several Rightists, family, who are "consistent" ideologically.

What's the difference in consistent and rigid, when we're talking about Rightists?

Rigid ideology is not a virtue. It's actually the root of the polarization and so much more, such as vulnerability to a demagogue and Trump's manipulation.

I certainly don't think of that as a "quality". I think of it as a curse on the nation.

Your "position" isn't relevant to me. in the context of this discussion.

26 July 2025, 05:46

shankspony

quote:
but IMO, it's too late for that. You pushed too far.

So in the context of this thread and forums in general.

What do you hope to achieve ME? if the above is true.

26 July 2025, 05:56

shankspony

I called this in about my 4th reply.

quote:
you appear to be trying to manufacture an argument.

26 July 2025, 05:56

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Look, Ive offered an olive branch of impasse.

I dislike dismantling you like this. which is just how I see it.

You seem to have ignored it. I dont understand why you would wish to keep this going.

What olive branch?

Does that mean you will quit with the notion of dismantling me?

I didn't ignore. I just see through it.

You don't understand? After all you have said, the insults, the rigidity, the high ground you think you are on, you think you are actually offering an olive branch?

No. What you are offering is for me to concede.

26 July 2025, 05:57

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
I called this in about my 4th reply.

quote:
you appear to be trying to manufacture an argument.

The argument manufactured itself by your posts.

26 July 2025, 06:00

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
I called this in about my 4th reply.

quote:
you appear to be trying to manufacture an argument.

The argument manufactured itself by your posts.

and maggie's actions had NOTHING to do with it?

bhahahahaha

26 July 2025, 06:01

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Look, Ive offered an olive branch of impasse.

I dislike dismantling you like this. which is just how I see it.

You seem to have ignored it. I dont understand why you would wish to keep this going.

What olive branch?

Does that mean you will quit with the notion of dismantling me?

I didn't ignore. I just see through it.

You don't understand? After all you have said, the insults, the rigidity, the high ground you think you are on, you think you are actually offering an olive branch?

No. What you are offering is for me to concede.

Concede nothing. By saying that you are telling us I need to be punished.

So what do you want to get out of this?
I dont care if you concede or not. All you have to do is stop. I promise you it ends with that.

26 July 2025, 06:01

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
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but IMO, it's too late for that. You pushed too far.

So in the context of this thread and forums in general.

What do you hope to achieve ME? if the above is true.

To dispel your notion: "I dislike dismantling you like this. which is just how I see it".

If you dislike it so much, then quit trying, and especially quit with the notion that you can or are obliged to do that.

Obliged for what? Your ego? Your ridged opinions?

26 July 2025, 06:08

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
I called this in about my 4th reply.

quote:
you appear to be trying to manufacture an argument.

The argument manufactured itself by your posts.

and maggie's actions had NOTHING to do with it?

bhahahahaha

bhahahahaha yourself. Who is Maggie?

I admit that my actions are reactions. I'm tired of being gaslighted, demeaned and called names.

And, BTW, when you post something relevant and worthy, IMO, I might respond. The above post is marginal.

Meanwhile, I'm pushing back.

26 July 2025, 06:09

shankspony

Who cares.

Dismantling may well be a harsh word. But from my point of view you are being false, and dishonest and out of context, and pointing that out is dismantling.

That's not going to change. I havant said anything I dont believe. But these are just my opinions and shouldn't matter all that much too you.

26 July 2025, 06:15

Magine Enigam

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That's not going to change. I havant said anything I dont believe. But these are just my opinions and shouldn't matter all that much too you.

They didn't until you made a big deal out of it, doubled down and deflected to making it personal.

Of course you believe. That's part of the problem. We all believe in something. It's what we believe. That was the initial thing that I drew to your attention. A small thing in the big picture.

You believe PBS should self-censor regarding climate change and other censorship you believe in is still a mystery.

26 July 2025, 06:19

Magine Enigam

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Who cares.

I care more about the psycho thing you and others led this thread into than the PBS censor thing.

It's a much bigger issue IMO, because it's personal with intent to harm. And when you lay it on me, I have to object, and point out how it is really being done by certain trools herein.

26 July 2025, 07:20

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
That's not going to change. I havant said anything I dont believe. But these are just my opinions and shouldn't matter all that much too you.

They didn't until you made a big deal out of it, doubled down and deflected to making it personal.

Of course you believe. That's part of the problem. We all believe in something. It's what we believe. That was the initial thing that I drew to your attention. A small thing in the big picture.

You believe PBS should self-censor regarding climate change and other censorship you believe in is still a mystery.

pretty pathetic really. What do you want? another chance to re litigate? and yet you start from the same exact point. Nothing new or original,

You were just wrong! Right from the point I picked you wanted an argument, and it bit you in the arse.

26 July 2025, 07:21

shankspony

quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Who cares.

I care more about the psycho thing you and others led this thread into than the PBS censor thing.

It's a much bigger issue IMO, because it's personal with intent to harm. And when you lay it on me, I have to object, and point out how it is really being done by certain trools herein.

It's very childish. even the making up words thing is not a sign of adult behaviour.
At some point you just have to accept the consequences of your own actions.

26 July 2025, 07:39

shankspony

Just for posterity This is from the first page of discussion.
Almost half my replies when not defending myself or trying to keep on topic were me saying I didn't want this argument.

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and you appear to be trying to manufacture an argument.

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It has nothing to do with my statement and Im not interested in getting tangled in a pointless discussion with you.

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You are framing it all wrong and presuming the worst from me. You seem determined to pick a fight. I just dont wish to be arguing a stance that's not mine. Y

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Im not defending anything. You keep getting it wrong and seem to be trying to lay that blame on me. Go back and try again. Im just not interested in getting lead into arguing a position I didn't take and you dont seem able to accept that.

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Why are you picking this fight?

What do you want from me ME? because I picked it from the start.

26 July 2025, 17:03

JTEX

The poor old deranged, estrogen soaked woman just wants to be valid........

26 July 2025, 17:27

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by JTEX posted 26 July 2025 17:03

That trool is consistent.

26 July 2025, 17:46

Magine Enigam

Back to the topic:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Just for posterity This is from the first page of discussion.
Almost half my replies when not defending myself or trying to keep on topic were me saying I didn't want this argument.

quote:
and you appear to be trying to manufacture an argument.

quote:
It has nothing to do with my statement and Im not interested in getting tangled in a pointless discussion with you.

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You are framing it all wrong and presuming the worst from me. You seem determined to pick a fight. I just dont wish to be arguing a stance that's not mine. Y

My presumption is/was that you believed PBS should self-censor science out of their shows, You made the topic everything but that, and still do.

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Im not defending anything. You keep getting it wrong and seem to be trying to lay that blame on me. Go back and try again. Im just not interested in getting lead into arguing a position I didn't take and you dont seem able to accept that.

Pointing out something that you said, and I take exception to, is not blame. That's your defensive interpretation. If there was leading on my part it was done by asking questions, such as what other science do you think PBS should omit to satisfy Rightist's ideology. And such question as why do you think it would make a difference with people already seriously anti-science.

If there's blame, it's because you refuse to address the core of the questions, and instead deflect by accusing me of picking a fight. What fight? I am and was, consistently, addressing the base problem Rightists have with PBS/NPR, and it's all ideological, not rational. This is the way it is with anything that challenges Rightist ideology. Try to address it directly, and get attacked, no breakthrough.

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Why are you picking this fight?

What do you want from me ME? because I picked it from the start.

Self-reflect and maybe share something relevant dredged up that we don't already know by inference.

26 July 2025, 23:06

shankspony

Nah. Times up. Your position is indefensible!

Right from the start, before any conflict arose I picked your demeanour and asked you why you wanted to manufacture a fight and said I didn't want it.

You've chased me demanding I play your game and 2 times I agreed to a called truce. Which you broke.
Even right up too yesterday I said I dont want to be doing this and asked to stop with no blame. And you refused.

This is your hill. You are the instigator! Go fucking die on it!

You have been by your own admission, beaten.
Shown for the foolish, narcissistic looser you are, who likes to portray themselves as some sort of victim.
You are only a victim of your own hubris and self inflated ego.
Im sick of it

I tried hard and the record shows it.

Go wallow in the humiliation you created for yourself.

27 July 2025, 05:36

jeffeosso

"don't be so rigid" .. it's called ethics, sweetpea, look it up
"be open minded" You first, nelly

A man has to stand for something, or he'll fall for anything - including bias confirmation (look it up)

poor little nelly, didn't get their way, and drags this out for hundreds of posts...

and it has the NERVE to call ME a troll?

laughable, little pitybags

oh, wait, i am on ignore -- nelly will never see this...not kevin, not jimmy, so i expect them to not reply, unless they are base liars

here you go, boys, prove it

3,2,1

27 July 2025, 07:08

Magine Enigam

quote:
Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 27 July 2025 05:36

Not worthy of response.

27 July 2025, 07:12

Magine Enigam

quote:
Originally posted by shankspony:
Nah. Times up. Your position is indefensible!

Right from the start, before any conflict arose I picked your demeanour and asked you why you wanted to manufacture a fight and said I didn't want it.

You've chased me demanding I play your game and 2 times I agreed to a called truce. Which you broke.
Even right up too yesterday I said I dont want to be doing this and asked to stop with no blame. And you refused.

This is your hill. You are the instigator! Go fucking die on it!

You have been by your own admission, beaten.
Shown for the foolish, narcissistic looser you are, who likes to portray themselves as some sort of victim.
You are only a victim of your own hubris and self inflated ego.
Im sick of it

I tried hard and the record shows it.

Go wallow in the humiliation you created for yourself.

Wow.

I wish you would at least prove me wrong. Emphasis on "prove".

Instead, you have proven me right.